This is not about anything in particular, just the thoughts that have been bouncing around in my head. I can not stand people who try to justify that worst things possible. These Bush supports, these fucking Neo-Cons. Their ideas are pitiful and enraging. The leaders of the republican party with their constant corruption, their lies, their terrorism, their wars, their greed and the followers who would gladly sell out their morals and convictions to defend these thieves. These people who use the bible as a weapon and tell us who Jesus hates. How many times have all of you been called unamerican, terrorist, ungodly, had your life threatened by these fucking wack jobs? What is wrong with these fucking people? Why is our country being run by uneducated, hate filled, inbred rednecks? Since when do these people deserve to say anything or represent me and my country? The things they say and actually believe is so illogical and simpleminded, it makes me want to go on a rampage. How come we can not escape these people? Why are they the first ones that everyone goes to with questions? Anyone who believes anything that these people say should be locked up. I swear, i am never going to talk to these people again.

Never say never, but always keep an eye on them anyway.

Idiodic, aggressive rednecks they may be, they were still chosen by the people of the United States to lead.

Twice!

Honestly, I think this is the kind of sentiment that hurts the progressive left. The administration sucks and everyone knows we think it sucks, but when we move into using terms like "uneducated" and "ignorant" John Q. Public feels like the far left is nothing but a bunch snobs who are completely detached from the concerns of the average person. If the administration is a bunch of inbred rednecks, what must we think of those who voted for those rednecks? Not all of them are hopelessly homophobic dominionists or millionaires angling for more "tax relief." There are plenty of people who have just been manipulated into believing alot of the Rovian hogwash and though it is unlikely they will ever become Dennis Kucinich, they might be swayed to moderate their positions on some things if they left approached them differently. The we're smarter and know what's best routine makes us look like elitists.

I can understand the frustration. I live in a rural area of a red state and am up to my eyeballs in it. But no one likes to be made to feel stupid. They will overlook the economic elitism of Bush Republicans because they believe in the pipe dream that one day their kids or their grandkids might one day be rich. They won't overlook intellectual snobbery, because there is no flashy car or luxury home to distract their attention from the fact that they are being sneered at.

I'm not saying we have to abandon a full programme of social justice to appeal to the masses, but I do think we need to put on a more welcoming face.

Just my two cents.



Well, I would argue they were only chosen once and that one is doubtful

I was stupid , they snared me with "pro-life" in 2000 . Luckily I did not have time to vote in 2000, so no guilt here! I woke up by the time Iraq War was declared a phoney with no WMD's or 9/11 connection and voted Kerry in 2004.

I'm a testament to the fact that the masses can be woken up!

Jack,

The issue I have with "you people" is you don't seem to be able to put your thoughts in writing without using the "F" word. Such words are offensive and demonstrate your lack of English language skills. You see, people with a decent grasp of the English language are able to express themselves without resorting to the unnecessary use of offensive words.

Yeah, well, too fucking bad.

Funny, the republicans have counted on people with limited vocabularies and conceptual capacities for years. Ask dick "fuck you" cheney about it. People who say "fuck" vote, like it or no, and I have no sympathy for the folks who wouldn't say "shit" if they had a mouthful of it. No magic words...sorry.

Swearing is the last bastian of the inarticulate motherfucker!



I'm sorry Sam, but I don't buy your argument.
Though it might well be true that people are so shallow as to hear the words, and not notice what they are saying.


I personally don't have any issue with swearing. A cuss word ONLY has power when we assign it power.
I can be exceptionally rude and offensive without using a single swear word, would this be OK?
I can be completely unoffensive, and swear like a sailor, and yet this is not OK?



So scolding someone for the superficial aspect of the wordage chosen, and not paying attention to the contents, is IMO, a big mistake.


By the way. When I get emotional, I swear a lot. Society gives these words power, and when I'm emotional I deliberately tap that power. So, if Blue Language sets you off into a tissy, I suggest you avoid me and politics.



I do fully understand jacks frustration, and his use of power wording.

"you people" ? If you reseach the history of Jack's posts here you'll learn he is thoughtful and articulate. You might learn some other things too. 'Meow' means 'fuck' in kitty language by the way.

I have to disagree also. I agree that "fuck" can be and often is overused. But there are times and places when it is both called for and appropriate. My memory on this may be a little rusty, but I think Scotty Reston wrote an introduction to a book of Bill Mauldin cartoons, wherein he spoke of the flexibility of the word "fuck" in describing some situations. He reported the story of a WW2 soldier whose jeep rolled over. He said "the fucking fucker's fucked," thus demonstrating the word's utility as an adjective, noun and verb.

I've experienced Jack's frustration with the right wing, and sometimes the only accurate way to describe them is as fuckers. I don't think it has to do with a limited vocabulary at all, but with the freight that word carries. There's a time when nothing else will do. Yes, one can be more colorful and inventive, but no other word carries anywhere near the impact that "fuck" does.

Fuckin', fuckedee, fuck, fuck.

Hey lefty, ban this fucking freeper.

Ya can't ban someone for requesting ya act like a civilized human being.
Just as you can't ban me for telling them the request is unreasonable.


C'mon Jack. Yer better than that.
For all we know Sam might have some very good points to make.

She called us "you people". I doubt someone on our side would refer to us like that.

Yeah, that's a red flag that will get every single post they make go under the microscope of scrutiny. But it's not a bannable offense. Just like neither is using the word "fuck".


BTW, this thread fucking rocks.

Fucking Rocks?
I thought you were married! (to a woman)



The "you people" may have been a question of the perspective of a newbie that doesn't yet feel a member of the group.

Though as POAC said, it deserves close attention.

You fucking people...

The reality is that what most people call cuss words or profane words are legitimate words that were in common use at one time. This was very common after wars with people of another language. The loosers words are considered profane. That is why swine is considered a barnyard or derogatory word, and pork is more acceptable. What makes a word profane is in the minde of the person who considers it profane. In case anyone gives a fuck.

With all the murder, rape and torture, not to mention the everyday corruption, that the government of the US is gleefully committing, in MY name as well as yours, I am surprised that anybody would come to a socio/political forum to complain about people saying "fuck," for Christ's sake. Are you not offended, dear, by the warrantless spying, the detention without charges or access to counsel, the murder and rape of Iraq and its people, as well as the plunder of its resources? Are you not offended by the lies we have been told by the people we have (or have not) elected to serve us? Or the rape of our constitution? The looting of our national treasuries to enrich a few people who already have stolen more than they could spend in three lifetimes of perpetual war and debauchery? That shit is OK, no doubt, as long as nobody says the motherfucking "F word."

Amen




Of all the things to discuss, we're talking about the word "FUCK" and other words.
Do we understand what a profanity is? What exactly is it to be Profane?

tee-hee

I was going to say it's a guy thing, Sam, then Lefty piped in (and she's all-woman, hear her roar ) But seriously, Sam, if your first post is to admonish the people you want to join with, then ummmm, why did you join?

In other words, do you have any valid contributive thoughts to today's situation in our beloved nation and the world at large? Or are you just a Freeper? (BTW, Freeper IS dirty word!)

mission accomplished

Gee Samantha, you sure have endeared us to you.
I hate to be so quick to judge but looks like your point was to piss us off. How very nice of you.

If the sole purpose of this member is to aggrivate, time to ban.

As for the "fuck" word, I say use it. It's just a word, and it conveys a meaning that no other word can.

How can you say "Go Fuck yourself" using other, not so powerful words?

For fuck sakes.

Please Sam, because I are so iggerant,
what have you accomplished?

Distraction?
A Moral Point?
Discussion on the virtues and vice of language?


Just just more pointless bull shit?

Illegal, immoral war is an accomplishment???... Time to ban

I just wanted to see how hard it would be to hijack a moonbat thread...y'all made it way too easy. So are you going to ban me now? What's the point. If I wanted to come back and aggrivate you some more I certainly could.

Kick this puke to the curb!

So, rather than be an intelligent, contributing member to the board, you came here and stirred the shit?

Bravo.

Buh-bye

Dammit, TJ!!! I wanted to ban her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well now, looks like i can smell a freeper from a mile away.

No you can't. That freeper wanna be is history!
I'd be amused to see it try to resign with this board!

Hey, i knew before any of you did. I seem to remember someone telling me that banning her was too hasty. I was right, you were wrong, so just admit it. I'll be waiting

No, dear Samantha, you have just demonstrated that ignorance is often articulate, but it is still ignorance. It seems that your choice of statements to make, "mission accomplished," rings as hollow as when it was uttered by your commander-in-thief aboard that aircraft carrier on the high seas, several hundred yards out of San Diego. I don't think a rant can be hijacked.

Just curious...

Was it Kerry's cowardice, his deserting his command in Vietnam and running from the country which you identify with? Three trumped up band-aid "Purple Hearts" that Marines like myself would have been gigged for gold bricking had we attempted the ploy...

His self admitted acts of War Crimes, the abandonment of his command, the summary execution of a wounded prisoner of war...

His labeling of a generation of Soldiers and Marines as nothing more than drunken, drugged up, raping, baby murdering savages with his fictitious "VVAW" frauds who never served InCountry", or never served AT ALL?

Or was it Kerry's treason, his conspiring with Mdm Binh of the Viet Cong in Paris, while still an officer in the United States Navy that appeals to you?

Was it his working as an agent for the enemy of this nation? His working to support Vietnam for all these years, his continued denial that any MIA/KIA remain are still left in Vietnam, so that Kerry might personally gain from employment while opening the door for economic and political advancement of the enemy... those same "non-existent" MIA/KIA remains that Vietnam just recently agreed to return to the US for proper burial...

Kerry should have been hung as a traitor in 1972.

Just curious as to what acts of cowardice and treason it is which appeals to those such as yourself.

Ah, the uneducated, flailing freeper. Ya gotta love em, right? Nope, luckily, this one espoused violence, something not tolerable on this board, within his first 3 post, so he is banned.

Could you please present some documentation for your claims, thanatos? REAL documentation, not some swiftboats for bush concoction of bullshit and fairy tales. I'm a Viet Nam veteran, served about the same time as Kerry, came home and Joined the Viet Nam Veterans Against The War. I don't particularly like John Kerry. I consider his testimony before the Winter Soldier Hearings to be the one act of bravery he has to his name, and he has built a political career on it. Darn you, Lefty. Bananafied. Shoot!

None... that is why I despise a treasonous & cowardly Commander-In-Thief that went AWOL who would send our children off to another illegal, immoral war. Kerry enlisted and went to Vietnam and saw the truth and then was brave enuf to TELL THE TRUTH.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry


Me and the rest of the American mothers that labored through child birth and raised our children peacefully will keep our offspring away from the likes of evil chickenhawk warmongers such as Bushco and Gang.

I hope Than hasn't been banned yet!
The sheer ignorance will be fun to play with!
Do these freepers have any clue how old these talking points are, and just how often they have been shreded by everyone EXCEPT faux news and the ignorant right?

Come on down Than. To bad you won't have a clue when yer eatin yer own ass!
Ignorance is bliss, and you're way too happy!

Ever hear the phrase "The masses are asses"?

Haha, I really didnt want to get into this but anyone who uses Thanatos as a handle is a total tool. A cookie to who ever answers why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Pietri

Why?

now where's my cookie

Very funny, you know what I ment Yank. Now go find out why.

Thanatos, in Greek mythology, the personification of Death, the son of Night, and twin brother of Sleep. Thanatos is frequently represented as a winged spirit.

Very good Mr Mind. Sounds like another Goth.