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Graduates at New School Heckle Speech by McCain

By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN

The jeers, boos and insults flew, as caustic as any that angry New Yorkers have hurled inside Madison Square Garden. The objects of derision yesterday, however, were not the hapless New York Knicks, but Senator John McCain, the keynote speaker at the New School graduation, and his host, Bob Kerrey, the university president.

No sooner had Mr. Kerrey welcomed the audience to the university's 70th commencement than the hoots began to rise through the Theater at Madison Square Garden. Several graduates held up a banner aimed at Mr. McCain, an Arizona Republican and likely 2008 presidential candidate, declaring: "Our commencement is not your platform." Other students and faculty members waved orange fliers with the same message.

Mr. Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska, was unapologetic yesterday about inviting Mr. McCain, his friend and fellow Vietnam War veteran, to speak. He noted early in his welcoming remarks that there had been intense media coverage of Mr. McCain's graduation speech last week at Liberty University, headed by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, in which Mr. McCain strongly defended the Iraq war.

"Many predicted that his speech today would not receive as friendly a reception," Mr. Kerrey said. "The expectation is that — and that expectation has already been realized — that some of you in this audience will act up to protest the senator's appearance."

The first student speaker, Sara Jean Rohe, 21, said she had discarded her original remarks to talk about Mr. McCain.

"The senator does not reflect the ideals upon which this university was founded," she said, to a roaring ovation. "This invitation was a top-down decision that did not take into account the desires and interests of the student body on an occasion that is supposed to honor us above all."

Noting that Mr. McCain had promised to give the same speech at all of his graduation appearances, Ms. Rohe, who was one of two students selected to speak by university deans, attacked his remarks even before he delivered them.

"Senator McCain will tell us today that dissent and disagreement are our civic and moral obligation in times of crisis, and I agree," she said. "I consider this a time of crisis, and I feel obligated to speak."

She continued, "Senator McCain will also tell us about his strong-headed self-assuredness in his youth, which prevented him from hearing the ideas of others, and in so doing he will imply that those of us who are young are too naïve to have valid opinions.

"I am young, and although I don't profess to possess the wisdom that time affords us, I do know that pre-emptive war is dangerous and wrong," she said.

She added, "Osama bin Laden still has not been found, nor have those weapons of mass destruction."

As Mr. McCain came to the lectern, dozens of students and professors stood and turned their backs on him. Many waved their fliers.

Before his speech, Mr. McCain thanked Ms. Rohe "for that CliffsNotes version of my address."

Mr. McCain seemed uneasy, but stuck to script and did not acknowledge the barbs. As Ms. Rohe had predicted, he spoke about the importance of civil discourse, and he reiterated his defense of the war.

"I believe the benefits of success will justify the costs and risks," he said. The protests grew louder and more frequent as he spoke. Some graduates walked out. Others laughed. When Mr. McCain returned to policy after briefly quoting Yeats, someone shouted, "More poetry!"

At another point, someone yelled, "We're graduating, not voting!"

The heckling continued when Mr. Kerrey returned to the lectern, with one audience member shouting, "You're a war criminal!"

Mr. Kerrey, a Medal of Honor winner, has admitted to leading a mission that resulted in the deaths of 13 to 20 unarmed civilians.

If Mr. McCain was playing politics, he seemed to be trying to bolster his conservative credentials, with an eye toward the Republican primaries, and not, as some New School students had suggested, trying to gain credibility as a moderate. Aides to Mr. McCain said that they had expected that he would be jeered by a liberal crowd in New York.

And by giving the same speech to graduates at Liberty, Columbia University and the New School, Mr. McCain appeared intent on restoring his reputation as a straight talker, after assertions that he has been kowtowing to conservative Christians ahead of a presidential run. In 2000, Mr. McCain called Mr. Falwell an agent of intolerance.

After yesterday's event, Mr. McCain told reporters he felt "fine" about his reception. "I feel sorry for people living in a dull world where they can't listen to the views of others," he said.

Mr. Kerrey, on stage, had accused the protesters of "[b]heckling from the audience where no bravery is required
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But one graduate, Aisha Nga, 22, of Atlanta, said protestors were not hiding in the crowd. "Bob Kerrey said we weren't very brave, but I think a lot of people who were booing would say it to his face," she said after the ceremony. Like many of her classmates, she wore an orange armband to protest Mr. McCain's presence. In an interview later, Mr. Kerrey praised students for showing restraint. "They could have done all sorts of things under the umbrella of guerilla politics to destroy the event, and they didn't," he said.[/b]




Oh HOW RUDE.

McCain asserts that he too was as dumb as those that he's addressing.
That's right. Butter them up, Johnny boy, you're doing a fine job. Now slap them back down.

That's right Johnny boy, tell them they're too young to actually have an opinion.
And then scorn them for exorcising their voice.

Such a dull world we live in, Johnny boy. Lalalalalalalalalalala.
Wha??? Did Johnny boy say something that the graduates needed to hear?
Since when is their voice unimportant, and your agenda ultra important.

THE ASSHOLE HAS SPOKEN.
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MasterMind
Nice!
sky of mind
McCain deserves every negative thing said about him.
maxanne
Sounds as if the "Straight Talk Express" took a sudden detour - right up McCain's wazzoo. clap.gif
yankhadenuf
Whew! I am even more relieved than happy ! Looks like these young 'uns are wiser than some of their own parents.... kudos to the graduates!!! clap.gif clap.gif clap.gif

BTW, hope to see them all this November! wink.gif thumbup.gif
sky of mind
QUOTE(yankhadenuf @ Sunday, 21 May 2006, 8:14 am) [snapback]58415[/snapback]

Whew! I am even more relieved than happy ! Looks like these young 'uns are wiser than some of their own parents.... kudos to the graduates!!! clap.gif clap.gif clap.gif

BTW, hope to see them all this November! wink.gif thumbup.gif






I strongly suspect a record turn out for a Mid-Term election year!
rcorporon
And you guys say that the younger generation is lazy and apathetic.
yankhadenuf
QUOTE(rcorporon @ Monday, 22 May 2006, 3:18 am) [snapback]58524[/snapback]

And you guys say that the younger generation is lazy and apathetic.


We did? I thought you guys say we are just dumb old farts... oops, me start a peeing contest , no NOT ME tongue.gif
wiretapthisDMW
who cares if its golf & classic rock, or rap & internet halo?


Everyone is too complacent in my not so humble opinion!

And high fives all around to the students that weren't and a big kick in the ass to the students sitting down looking embarrassed.
Max-1
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Oh how silly Johnny boy and his crew look.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/05/21/t...-e_n_21405.html
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Top McCain Aide Insults Entire College Graduating Class...

"Very Unlikely Any Of You Will Ever Possess...One Small Fraction Of The Character Of John McCain"...


The Huffington Post | Posted May 21, 2006 11:22 PM


Mark Salter, a longtime aide and chief of staff to Senator John McCain, posted a response to Jean Rohe's blog entry on the Huffington Post, writing that her speech at the New School university's graduation ceremony last Friday "succeeded in making [herself] look like an idiot." Salter writes, of Rohe and her graduating class, that it's "unlikely any of you will ever posses the [sic] one small fraction of the character of John McCain."

As discussed in the New York Times and a column by Maureen Dowd, Rohe, one of two student commencement speakers, discarded her originally prepared remarks and instead delivered a speech that questioned the university's decision to extend its invitation to McCain, and referenced several passages of McCain's prepared remarks before he delivered them (the same speech having been given at both Columbia and Liberty Universities the week prior) -- a decision she discusses at length on the Huffington Post.

In the comment submitted on Rohe's Huffington Post entry, the longtime McCain aide and co-author of several of the Senator's books derided Rohe's remarks as "an act of vanity and nothing more," and suggests that her fellow New School graduates "could learn a thing or two about tolerance and respect from the students of Liberty University."

The following is Mr. Salter's posted comment, in full:
I am employed by Senator McCain and I helped draft his remarks for the New School commencement ceremony. Ms. Rohe takes exception to the fact that the speech was written with all four commencements he has been invited to address. The Senator's intention was to discuss with Americans, not any particular subset of Americans, but his fellow countrymen, the things that he feels are important to remember in our political debates: that we owe each other our respect just as we owe each other our best advocacy for the things we believe are important for our country. He did not feel that the students of Liberty University were a more appropriate audience for his address than the New School's graduates. It was an act of respect. Although it is quite clear that part of his audience at Madison Square Garden had no intention of reciprocating.

Evidently, the Senator's regard for his audience was misplaced. Ms. Rohe and those of her fellow graduates who hailed their school's President as a war criminal and who greeted the Senator's reference to a friend's death with laughter proved only one thing, one sad thing, that they could learn a thing or two about tolerance and respect from the students of Liberty University. Like the protestors at the Garden, many in the audience at Liberty University disagreed with various of the Senator's views. Some disagreed with his support for campaign finance reform. Some disagreed with his support for comprehensive immigration reform with a path toward legalization for undocumented workers. Some disagreed with his position of climate change. Some disagreed with his opposition to the Federal Marriage Amendment. Whatever their differences with him they listened to him attentively and respectfully, as one American to another, divided in some respects, united in much more important ones.

Let me tell you a little bit about the Senator, the man you dismiss so derisively. Once upon time, even among the young, the words courage and hero were used more sparingly, more precisely. It took no courage to do what you did, Ms. Rohe. It was an act of vanity and nothing more. And please don't worry about the Senator's discomfort with you. He has managed to endure much worse. McCain was once offered release from imprisonment and torture because of his father's position as a senior military officer. He declined because he would not leave his comrades behind, and thus, willingly, accepted four more years of hardships life will spare almost all of us from. In his political career he has shown the same character he showed as a Navy officer all those years ago. He has, over and over again, risked personal ambitions for what he believes, rightly or wrongly, are in the best interests of the country. What, pray tell, have you risked? The only person you have succeeded in making look like an idiot is yourself.

You took exception to the paragraph in which he lightly deprecated the vanity of youth. Well, Ms. Rohe, and your fellow graduates's comical self-importance deserves a rebuke far stronger than the gentle suggestions he offered you. So, let me leave you with this. Should you grow up and ever get down to the hard business of making a living and finding a purpose for your lives beyond self-indulgence some of you might then know a happiness far more sublime than the fleeting pleasure of living in an echo chamber. And if you are that fortunate, you might look back on the day of your graduation and your discourtesy to a good and honest man with a little shame and the certain knowledge that it very unlikely any of you will ever posses the one small fraction of the character of John McCain.

Mark Salter

By: salter on May 20, 2006 at 10:28pm


sky of mind
Should they grow up?
Does he mean to imply that he did?



Gosh, these right wingers do get testy when they be losin!
Max-1
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 22 May 2006, 8:31 am) [snapback]58553[/snapback]

Should they grow up?
Does he mean to imply that he did?
Gosh, these right wingers do get testy when they be losin!

Political Office is not a priviledge and/or right.

McCain and clubbers act as if they own Office.
"How dare you criticise my tie?" type of behavior.

More like, "Do you think my ass looks fat in these Huggies?"

BABIES!!!!!
yankhadenuf
QUOTE(wiretapthisDMW @ Monday, 22 May 2006, 7:19 am) [snapback]58533[/snapback]

....And high fives all around to the students that weren't and a big kick in the ass to the students sitting down looking embarrassed.

Exactly, Tap! Give 'em a hand! clap.gif
Ya know how we teach our kids when they are little to SCREEEEEEAM when they are trapped by a stranger who is a bad man (and unfortunately these days, even a bad woman). Well, this is how I view this situation on the college level. There they are a little older, held as a captive audience, and trapped into listening to a BAD MAN. McCain is a NeoCON for crying out loud!!! The students who made some noise were in effect saying "Help! Watch out! McCain is a VERY VERY BAD MAN!!! evil.gif " These were the alert students who saved themselves and tried to save their friends & family from brainwashing of the BIG LIE by a BIG LIAR. The "polite" students did nothing to alert anybody.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil in America is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke
yankhadenuf
Top McCain Aide Insults Entire College Graduating Class...

"Very Unlikely Any Of You Will Ever Possess...One Small Fraction Of The Character Of John McCain"...


The Huffington Post | Posted May 21, 2006 11:22 PM

____________________________________________________________________________________

Let's hope they don't even possess one iota of his "character"... McCain aide sounds like a BAD MAN too thumbdown.gif
yankhadenuf
QUOTE(Max-1 @ Monday, 22 May 2006, 10:05 am) [snapback]58558[/snapback]

Political Office is not a priviledge and/or right.

McCain and clubbers act as if they own Office.
"How dare you criticise my tie?" type of behavior.

More like, "Do you think my ass looks fat in these Huggies?"

BABIES!!!!!


The clubbers DO own it... ILLEGALLY , that is.... these NeoCONS rigged electronic voting companies, others bought off Abramoff. I'm sick of it... if McCain wants to sell his lies and his aide wants to spew his venom on these students' home turf , that's McCain's/aide's problems. McCain was NOT welcome there, he knew that in advance. If McCain can't take the heat, then he needs to get out of the kitchen!

If this is a sample of little Johnny's whining and baby-crying , then he is NOT fit to be president of anything in 2008! wink.gif These NeoCONS are typical text-book bullies >>> they can dish it out, but they just can't take it! wry2.gif
wiretapthisDMW
QUOTE(yankhadenuf @ Monday, 22 May 2006, 12:44 pm) [snapback]58564[/snapback]

The clubbers DO own it... ILLEGALLY , that is.... these NeoCONS rigged electronic voting companies, others bought off Abramoff. I'm sick of it... if McCain wants to sell his lies and his aide wants to spew his venom on these students' home turf , that's McCain's/aide's problems. McCain was NOT welcome there, he knew that in advance. If McCain can't take the heat, then he needs to get out of the kitchen!

If this is a sample of little Johnny's whining and baby-crying , then he is NOT fit to be president of anything in 2008! wink.gif These NeoCONS are typical text-book bullies >>> they can dish it out, but they just can't take it! wry2.gif



personally enjoying the heck out of yank on a roll...you go girl, making wonderful points...

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yankhadenuf
QUOTE(wiretapthisDMW @ Monday, 22 May 2006, 10:50 am) [snapback]58565[/snapback]

personally enjoying the heck out of yank on a roll...you go girl, making wonderful points...

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I am so livid wall.gif..... but the following article says stuff to McCain & his Kool-aide much more civilly wink.gif :


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-sch...r-_b_21452.html

"Five Civil Questions for Mark Salter and John McCain
By Jonathan Schwartz, Huffington Post


Mr. Salter,
In a recent comment on the Huffington Post, you expressed your deep unhappiness about the recent events at the New School commencement. You stated Jean Rohe's remarks were "an act of vanity," and said she and other New School students may in the future become ashamed of their actions.

By way of contrast, you wrote that Sen. John McCain believes "we owe each other our respect." In his address at the New School, he spoke about the importance of civility. And of course his website is called Straight Talk America.

I agree with Sen. McCain and yourself on the importance of mutual respect, civility, and straight talk. They are important at all times, but particularly at this difficult moment in our country's history.

Therefore, in the interest of advancing honest, civil dialogue even on contentious issues, I ask that you forward these questions to Sen. McCain and arrange for him to answer them fully and candidly.

As you'll see, these are inquiries about basic aspects of his political perspective. Without excusing the behavior of the hecklers at the New School commencement, I believe they acted out of frustration with our political system--a frustration I share. This frustration stems from the way prominent political figures (including but certainly not limited to Sen. McCain) are rarely even asked fundamental questions such as this, much less answer them forthrightly.

Many Americans are deeply cynical about politicians. I'm certain most readers of this will assume you and Sen. McCain will simply ignore this--or at best, respond with obfuscation.

I very much hope you'll seize this opportunity to prove them wrong. While I acknowledge these questions may be uncomfortable, I believe they're completely legitimate, and that in fact American democracy depends on the willingness of politicians to answer such inquiries. This is particularly the case when the questions have to do, as these do, with matters of live and death. (Also, while there's no particular reason you should care about my political views, if you have any questions for me I'm more than happy to answer them.)

1. Sen. McCain supported the Iraq war, and still believes it was justified. In a piece called "Despite Everything, the Right War," he wrote "even if Saddam had forever abandoned his WMD ambitions, it was still right to topple the dictator."

My first question is this: did Sen. McCain ever make this case in the build up to war in 2002 and 2003--that is, that it was irrelevant whether or not Saddam had or would ever get WMD?

2. The main reason Sen. McCain has given for his belief it was right to invade Iraq in the absence of WMD is Saddam's brutality against Iraqis, which he's compared to Auschwitz and Treblinka.

Saddam's worst actions against his own people took place during the eighties before the invasion of Kuwait, when he was an ally of the United States. Sen. McCain was elected to Congress in 1982, and then to the Senate in 1986.

Did Sen. McCain speak out about Saddam's most horrible crimes during this period--that is, while they were actually in progress?

3. The Reagan and first Bush administrations gave Saddam critical financial, political, and strategic support, even though they knew he was using chemical weapons against Iranians and his own people. In April, 1990, Republican Senator Alan Simpson (a close friend of Dick Cheney, who was then Secretary of Defense) met with Saddam and told him his problem lay "with the Western media and not with the U.S. government." Sen. Simpson also called the media "haughty and pampered." Just four weeks before this meeting, Saddam had executed Farzad Bazoft, a journalist with the British paper The Observer.

Again, Sen. McCain has compared Saddam's actions to those of Hitler. What would he say about politicians who offered comparable support to Hitler during the Holocaust? Does he believe the same should be said about Reagan, Bush Sr., and Simpson?

4. In 1995, Saddam Hussein's son-in-law Hussein Kamel defected from Iraq to Jordan. Kamel had supervised Iraq's WMD programs before the Gulf War in 1991. After his defection, Kamel told the CIA that Iraq had not been honest about its pre-Gulf War programs. However, he also told us Iraq had no remaining WMD and that its nuclear weapons program had ended four years previously. We now know everything Kamel said was accurate.

President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Powell all referred to Kamel in the build up to war. However, none of them told Americans that Kamel said Iraq had nothing.

Why does Sen. McCain believe Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell all left this out?

Also, Sen. McCain served on the commission investigating the intelligence failure regarding WMD and Iraq. The commission's report mentions Kamel repeatedly, but never refers to his statements that Iraq was disarmed.

Why does the report fail to mention this?

5. My last question has to do with domestic policy. Sen. McCain is a vocal supporter of President Bush's proposals to privatize Social Security. While touring the country speaking about Social Security with President Bush last year, Sen. McCain made many statements such as this one:

"Some of our friends, who are opposing this idea, say, 'Oh, you don't have to worry until 2042.' We wait until 2042, when we stop paying people Social Security?"
This is not accurate. There will never be a time when the government simply stops paying people Social Security. In fact, according to the projections of the Social Security Administration (to which Sen. McCain was referring), in 2042 Social Security will with no changes be able to pay recipients more than retirees receive today. The only question is whether without changes Social Security will be able to pay benefits even higher than that.

This is one of the most basic facts there is about the Social Security debate. With all respect, it's certainly something a senator should be expected to know, particularly if he's proposing significant alterations to the program.

Was Sen. McCain unaware what he was saying was false? If so, and he genuinely didn't know this basic aspect of how Social Security functions, will he apologize for not being informed before speaking out so strongly on this issue?

Thanks in advance to both you and Sen. McCain for addressing these questions. Again, I emphasize my genuine commitment to civil dialogue. I look forward to your response. "



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