What will be your response to a US Attack on Iran? Will you do nothing or will you do something (if there is anything that you know you can do)?

I ask this, because I believe it is coming. The neocons in the Bush Administration want this confrontation, and Iran is playing right into their hands by refusing to budge. No matter what, Bush is still Commander in Chief and has the power to make this attack happen just by giving the word. I believe he will. What will you do, if anything, if and when he does. Is there anything we can do other than just sit back and watch the guided missles homing into their targets on CNN and every other news channel while excited newscasters play this up for all its worth. Hell, they are already preparing us for it. After all, War is the American Way, and we powerful, machoistic Americans love to use our powerful, sophisticated weapons on poor third world countries that have no chance at all of standing up to us militarily.

America: All War, All the Time.

The US is not going to attack Iran.
Not in the near future at the least.



Simple as that. It's not going to happen!
Instead, refocus the energy of your fear BACK where it should be!
There are MANY very REAL issues to worry about,
issues that are RIGHT NOW!

We have decided Bird Flu is a non issue, and was only there to scare us.
An attack on Iran should have the same consideration!


It's not gonna happen!

What am I supposed to do?

Writing letters to the congress critters has no effect, and was designed to just make me feel better.

They've been governing against the will of the people for some time now. They don't care what we think about anything.

What am I supposed to do?

While I respect your opionion, Sky, I think this is a real issue to worry about. Remember, my main emphasis is Anti-War, and I see all the red flags that tell me that my country is preparing to attack another country. With the Pro-War Bush Administration in control of the military, isn't that something to worry about?

Unlike the Bird Flu, this Iran thing is real. I have looked at it. Its not just some diversion created by the Bush Administration to take people's minds off Bush's failure and incompetence. It is an opportunity for the neocons to start working on "felling the next domino" in their long-term plan to extert American dominance of the middle east. Can't you see the difference?

You saying it is not going to happen, its as simple as that, reminds me of an ostrich sticking his head in the ground so it won't see something. If you don't see it, its not there. Its as simple as that.

You ask, what am I supposed to do. I ask, what do you think you should do? Its a question meant to make you and others think about some things. If it happens, willl you get angry? Will you feel sad? Will you feel helpless? Will you want to work harder to change things? Will you feel resigned to watch another war unfolding before you that you are powerless to do anything at all about except to express your opinion about it on forums such as this? Will you feel excited to watch as the expensive and powerful "shock and awe weapons" that your tax dollars have helped the military buy destroy facilities and installations in yet another third world country? Will you feel numb inside, completely desensitized to war and violence? What will be your response?

Your's is a good question, AFW. A dificult one, though. What can I do? I believe a war is immenent and its going to happen soon. I also believe it will be the last straw, we will become the most despised country on earth (I'm sure there must be a few other countries that don't dispise us just yet). I am going to take a cue from Soon2b on a different post and say that I will leave. By foot or car or boat or whatever. I will run as fast as my tiny ass can (HAHAHA, ya, my ass is so not that tiny), carrying my son on my shoulders, my dog on a leash and my cat somewhere in the mix. I will flee to Canada or South America. Probably South. As much hope as I have in my heart that this country can change, dropping the bomb on Iraq will end all of that hope and truly create the perpetual war that Bushco so desperately wants.

I am not a coward, but I am also not a fool. I have no intention of staying to support the deaths of anyone else. No one in power in government has the heart left (if it ever existed) to stop the rampage we are on. I cannot face being a part of it any longer.

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I'm with sky, it's not gonna happen!!! They would be so stupid to try to trick millions & millions of Americans again since we know all about the Iraq War lies now.

But IF it does, I doubt that the guided missiles would be homing into their targets... I think it will be "shock and awe" and they will lie to us about the "collateral damage" , the number of civilian casualties. So then we would vote accordingly in November>>> vote out all the warhawk incumbents, ALL OF THEM

I won't say it can't happen!
Clearly the Bush Admin has demonstarted a nack for not being very smart or capable.

But even they can see the writing on the wall!
These are people who are 90 smoke and mirrors!


There are so many other issues I wish could get this much national attention!



Even the Military leaders are concerned!
Most of the Pentagon would not support such a decision,
and have begun speaking out against the Presidents people.

Doesn't do much good to plan a war, if nobody shows up!
The Pentagon knows full well just how catastrophic such a decision would be.
They know it even more than Bushit and all his chicken hawk pals could imagine.

It would be a mistake to assume the warrior leaders to be all Neo-con robots!



It ain't gonna happen, and this I will guarantee you!
This story will not go away, not as long as it remains as effective as it has been!

Look! How many are talking about Avian Flu?

NOBODY!



Because it became quite clear we were not bying it!



Get it?


Spin me again baby, that was goooooood!


Somebody gimme a Code Orange!

You over-estimate (or under-estimate, depending on your point of view) Bush. You see Iraq as a fiasco that has American forces tied down where they could not fight in another conflict if they wanted to. I guarantee you that Bush does not see it that way. Even if he does not have the forces on the ground, he certainly has the military hardware ready for a major attack on Iran from the air and he would not hesitate to use it if He felt, in his own mind, that Iran was a serious threat to the US or any of its interests. He already thinks its a threat. He would give that order in a second, and what you or I think would have no significance whatsoever on that decision. Practicality does not guide Bush. Everyone here should realize that by now. He is on a mission. He will do what HE thinks is right and worry about the fallout later. I think you are way too confident in your position that its simply not going to happen. If Iran does not back down, there is a greater than 50% chance that it will happen. In fact, think of it this way. A major bombing mission on Iran that was perceived as successfully stopping Iran's nuclear ambitions would take everyone's minds off of the Iraq fiasco and get them talking about how tough Bush is again, instead of how incompetent he is. With Bush's numbers so low, its high time to wag the dog. Add to that the neocons are anxious to challenge Iran anyway for control of the region and you get the odds way way up there in favor of an attack.

Can you see why I say its likely?

point made afw....they are insane enough to do it anyway...stock up, my friends....

Despite the rest of the world screaming at the top of their lungs, the US still went after Iraq.

Now, most of the EU is against Iran. It wouldn't be as hard for Bushco to gather a "Coalition of the Willing."

Besides, remember that graph that Panda posted? Most Americans WANT the US to bomb Iran.

It's fine to think it won't happen, but we got Condi running around saying that "something must be done."

That will cause me to be more direct in my protest. I will stand infront of a tank if need be.


Sky, When warmongers tell you they are going to war, believe that it is not fearmongering. They do that to get you INTO war, not to divert your attention from it.

MM.

Exacxtly WHICH war mongers have said they are going to war?



You will have to forgive me my opinion, but it;s still my opinion.
Time will prove one of us out.



My opinion, there will be no invasion, not in the forseeable future.
We don't have the resources to invade Iran. (soldiers)
We don't have the finances to invade Iran. (That debt would certainly bust America.)
We don't have military leadership that supports such action. (just today ANOTHER top pentigon general spoke out)
We don't have the political will to fight a war in Iran. (An Average like 1000 Dead a day very possible)
We would be universally condemned by every other world nation. (not even the Brits would cover our 6 this time)



In short, there is nothing out there to indicate this is about to happen.
THE ONLY indicater of anything even remotely possible,
is the general belief that None of us would be surprised if Bush did it even with all this against him.


This isn't Sky with his head in the sand.
This isn't Sky playing a game of denial.

This is Sky saying, there is NO RATIONAL reason for even the most IRRATIONAL Bushco to Invade Iran!




And yes, I am convinced all this invasion Hype is a deliberate attempt at spin.
There is still nothing to indicate this is about to happen! NOTHING!
The ONLY clue we have, is a bunch of words! (spin)


Code Orange! The Iranians are coming! The Iranians are coming! Code Orange!

Go buy a case of duct tape and a roll of plastic sheet!
Get yours before Home Depot is sold out!

Again, you are going on some fantasy that those in charge are sane and intelligent.

I will ask you again for specifics!

Which people are proposing war with Iran!
Which people are bing the current warmongers!
What are these people saying to get us into war,
and more importantly, what are they doing to get us into war?


The people who read these threads should know!
I should know!

Please help educate me.
I want to know.

Who? I want names please!

Here's one:

Condi Rice.

LINK


US in warning to 'defiant' Iran
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
Ms Rice said Iran might face punitive sanctions
The US has warned Iran that it must face the consequences of its defiance over its nuclear programme.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the UN Security Council would have to look at options to compel Iran to "obey the international system".

Iran announced two days ago it had succeeded in enriching uranium and has vowed not to halt its work.

The visiting head of the UN nuclear watchdog on Thursday failed to convince Iran to freeze its nuclear programme.

But Mohamed ElBaradei said both sides had agreed to continue an intensive dialogue over the next few weeks on the issue

The next key diplomat to visit Iran is Chinese Assistant Foreign Minister Cui Tiankai - due in Tehran for talks on Friday.

'Reasonable and logical'

Ms Rice on Thursday raised publicly the possibility that Iran might face punitive sanctions at the UN Security Council if it did not change course.


Iranians give their views on the nuclear dispute

In pictures

She said that when the council reconvened on the issue at the end of the month there could not be a repeat of March's "presidential statement" in which Iran had been told to halt all sensitive atomic activities within 30 days.

Iran has so far refused to comply.

"There will have to be some consequence for that action and that defiance. We will look at a whole range of options available to the Security Council," Ms Rice said.

She said the council would have to look at a Chapter 7 resolution - which UN members are mandated to comply with.

It could possibly lead to sanctions and eventually even the use of force.

However, the BBC's Justin Webb in Washington says council members Russia and China believe that talk of punishment and coercion is premature.

Beijing hopes its envoy will help defuse the situation.

BBC China correspondent Daniel Griffiths says Beijing would like to avoid sanctions and wants to take a higher profile over Iran to strengthen its credentials as a responsible, international player.

'Confidence-building'

Western nations suspect Iran of wanting to develop a nuclear weapon, but Tehran insists its plans are for a peaceful, civilian energy programme only.


NUCLEAR FUEL CYCLE
Mined uranium ore is purified and reconstituted into solid form known as yellowcake
Yellowcake is chemically processed and converted into a gas by heating it to above 64C (147F)
Gas is fed through centrifuges, where its isotopes separate and process is repeated until uranium is enriched
Low-level enriched uranium is used for nuclear fuel
Highly enriched uranium can be used in nuclear weapons

In depth: Nuclear fuel cycle

On his visit, Mr ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), said he had had a good discussion about "confidence-building measures".

He said there was still time to negotiate a settlement by which "Iran's needs for nuclear power is assured and the concern of the international community is also... put to rest".

But Iran's nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, who met Mr ElBaradei, said the UN's demand for a return to a freeze of its nuclear programme was not the way to solve the problem.

"Every action must be reasonable and logical. We are co-operating in a constructive manner" with the IAEA, "so such a proposal is not very important to solve the problem," he said.

Speaking as Mr ElBaradei arrived in Tehran, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said: "Our answer to those who are angry about Iran obtaining the full nuclear cycle is one phrase, we say: Be angry and die of this anger.

"We will not hold talks with anyone about the Iranian nation's right [to enrichment] and no-one has the right to step back, even one iota," he said.

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She says "Security Council" now, but they said the same thing for Iraq!

Lotsa stuff there, and not one word about war, or Invasion, or military action, or strike.
In fact, nothing other than a lot of chest pounding warning, "You better do it, or else!"


There is nothing there to convince me we're about to go to war!
The fact that you are so convinced, I wonder if you might prefer it actually happened?
Then you'de have still MORE proof the Americans are war hungry butt munchers.







If yer gonna try to equate Iran to Iraq, then I have given you too much credit!

Why the personal attacks sky?

When did I say that Americans are "war hungry butt munchers."

Grow up.

In terms of the discussion, I think that the pattern is very clear. With Iraq there was plenty of build up and talk of using the UN and the Security Council. Bush said things like "explore all options" and "war is a last resort."

We're hearing the same things again.

Also, panda showed some polls that showed most Americans think that bombing Iran would be a good thing to do!

Bird flu was a feint.

The PNAC wants to control the middle east, and they took step 1 with Iraq.

I'm not saying that war is 100% certain. All I'm saying is that I've heard this song and dance not too long ago!

You are a funny man.
btw, not everyone buys into it.



I agree you heard the same song and dance.
That though, does not make this the same as that!
I still see NO PROOF!

All I see is a lot of chest thumping, sabre rattling, mean looking threats!
And the more we do it, the more Iran giggles.
And why not? They know it's pathetic!

Bet your pay check these Iranians are NOT stupid!
Bet another paycheck they know exactly what they are doing!

I don't disagree at all here sky.

I also don't think that war is 100% certain. The US gov't needs more than a little enriched uranium to go to war.

But with Iraq they started to lie about Africa, tubes, rockets, missiles, and centrifuges (sp?).

I'm just waiting for the satellite photos of Iranian nuclear installations to appear on the news, and Condi an co. to start talking about mushroom clouds.

The US and UK have shown that they are willing and able to skip the UN totally, despite what the rest of the world (and it's own citizens) think.

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't put it past them to do it again.

Nobody with 2 brain cells to rub together can argue this aspect.
I have personally admitted to this rogue aspect of this administration.

However, what we do not know, and what scares us all so much,
is that none of us really knows HOW crazy they are?

Invading would be the most stupid thing they could do,
and likely the very last stupid thing they would do.

Most of us hope they know this.



Believe me, my radar is up and on.
I'm looking for evidence that this is gonna happen,
and so far I see nothing! Just a lot of mean looking, tough talk.


Woooooooo Scary!

I recall once you were upset when I used the word "fugly."

I hope you don't mind, but... Condi is FUGLY.

Crazy Bitch:



Everytime I see her and think she is actually Secretary of State I shudder. Bush had his revenge, in spades.

Ya know, if she lived next door to me,
I'd get a dog,
Just so it could crap in her yard!

Sky, you are smart enough to know for a fact that most of the Neo-Cons/Republican/Right-winger dont see a difference between any Arab, let alone the countries they come from.

As with everything else the situation will be exploited for political advantage, and the timing isn't right just yet:

April 4, 2006
THE LATEST ON IRAN....Joseph Cirincione:
For months, I have told interviewers that no senior political or military official was seriously considering a military attack on Iran. In the last few weeks, I have changed my view. In part, this shift was triggered by colleagues with close ties to the Pentagon and the executive branch who have convinced me that some senior officials have already made up their minds: They want to hit Iran.
Apparently senior sources in Britain have been getting the same message. From the Telegraph:
It is believed that an American-led attack, designed to destroy Iran's ability to develop a nuclear bomb, is "inevitable" if Teheran's leaders fail to comply with United Nations demands to freeze their uranium enrichment programme.
....A senior Foreign Office source said...."If Iran makes another strategic mistake, such as ignoring demands by the UN or future resolutions, then the thinking among the chiefs is that military action could be taken to bring an end to the crisis. The belief in some areas of Whitehall is that an attack is now all but inevitable."
There's no question that the administration is already preparing the ground for an air strike on Iran, but it's likely that the real push won't come until late summer when it can be used as a cudgel in the midterm elections. Same song, new verse.
And once more: If Democrats don't start thinking about how they're going to respond to this, they're idiots. We don't always get to pick the issues to run on. Sometimes they're picked for us.
—Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/...6_04/008554.php

Neo-cons are about power, and the wealthy arabs get to be in the club,
ONLY as long as they have enough power to make it so!

Brown skins are not white, and Neo-cons are always painfully aware!
When you look at picture of them together,
note that the white one has the arrogant attitude,
the brown one has the "don't fuck with me or I'll screw your whole day" attitude.

Sorry folks, the avian flu is in fact real. It's for the birds. For now, at least. Face the facts. Get the facts, especially before you post comments on wether a disease exists or not. No need for you to blow it all out of proportion. Just get the facts and leave your emotions in the special box that was made for them.

Will the USA bomb Iran ? Did you think they would bomb Iraq before they did ?

Do they have a reason to ? You can bet your bottom dollar they have a reason to. Wake the fuck up. Duh.

Will it happen in March as predicted ? Again, duh, no, we have April and there's noone saying it will be May or June. Does it matter ? The bombs don't care what month it is.

How will I respond when it does happen (if it happens) ? I've already left the country. I might decide not to come back. That would upset a few people. they would call me a friggin anti-war leftist nut. So be it. I won't be relenquishing my citizenship because of this. If it happens. Citizenship is not something the Neocons gave me so it's not something I can throw back in their faces. It's more than that. One can't shake it off, wash it off or cut it out. Once an asswip american, always an asswipe american.

My reaction will be ; closer ties with all muslims I know.

Yes Avian flu is real.
Will it cross over and be cummunicable among humans? Don't know.
If it does cross over, how serious will it be? Again, don't know!


Did I think they would bomb Iraq? Oh heavens yes!
They had been bombing Irag and enforcing the no fly zone for years!
But then, Iraq's military capability after the first gulf war, was all but non existant!
The US could do anything they wanted with impunity!
Saddam fully expected entry into Baghdad the day after GHW stopped outside of town and ended the war!

Yes they have reason to attack Iran, but the consequences and realities are worlds away from Iraq.
Too equate the two is to the point of being silly! At least unrealistic!

Invading, even bombing Iran would be a very, very costly mistake.
And this is the ONLY thing that has prevented them from doing so already!

If Iraq had gone as they had expected, we'd already have a brand new ambassy in Tehran,
and military bases scattered over the country!



Before there can be any invasion of Iran,
Look for considerable naval activity. I'd say maybe half the entire US fleet!
Look for huge troop build up in both Irag and Afghanistan!

These are things you cannot hide.
People watch for these kinds of things constantly.
Besides, it's clear many in the pentagon are not at all keen on the idea,
someone would "leak" everything they had!

Bird Flu and the Iran threat do make a good comparrison.
Each is real, but so far, no one can say what they will develope into, if anything at all!
And both would quickly give indication when they do.

Sky,

Keep in mind:

That the USA'a Air Warfair Superiority is unmatched. Who needs soldiers when you have unmanned drones to do the job?

That the president does not need to go before Congress to attack a precieved enemy, pre-emptivly. The Constitution allows him this power. As a fact, he has up to 90 days after attacking a country before he is required to go before Congress to either get a Congrssional yes or no.


And I wouldn't put it past Bush or some mastermind behind the curtain, to put a nuclear warhead in our bomb mix,(oops). Then attempt to pass it off as, "Look, Iran did have a nuclear bomd and we hit it and made it go boom and, oops, it was near Terhan, and hundreds of thousands of innocent peoples died because of Iran's need for nuclear power. That should show the world."

They will not use nuke(s) in an attack on Iran. That would rightfully cause the condemnation of the entire world against the US. They will also not use major ground forces. What they will do, if they attack, is to use air power. A major air assault, like they did at first with Iraq. They have these resources ready to use and that is what they would use. If Iran does not back down, it is probable the US will use them. I am predicting that right now.

So Cameron,
what exactly is it you so eloquently wish to say?
Or do you have anything to say?

Because if all yer gonna do is stuff like this,
then you're nothing but a forum troll
and you will be banned immediately!

The choice is yours, and the decision is yours to make.

not any more it isn't. But what I think he was trying to imply is that he was very fond of the notion of long hard cylinders going up men's butts. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Hey, if that's what floats your boat,
far be it from me to complain!

Must of been one of those whacko conservatives from one of their many websites. These people are fucking lunatics who not only agree with everything Bush has done but would like him to do much much more. These people, who wrap themselves in the American flag and think they speak for America, are the most Anti-American of all.