Did you ever get the feeling that what Bush needs most right now is another terrorrist attack on US soil that would instantly change the political landscape for him, immediatly destroy any opposition to his policies, and give him "carte blanche" to take things to the next level, to a level he has never dared take it before?

Imagine what Bush would be able to do and would no doubt do if another major terrorist attack were to happen on US soil?

Please list all the possibilities you can think of.

When I think about 9-11 and the questionable circumstances surrounding it, I get a very uneasy feeling about this. 9-11 helped in so many ways, allowed him to do so many things that he could never dreamed of even attempting otherwise.

I fear that evil men in high positions have done the math.

I think he would probably blame it on Iran and send more boys over there to destroy another Arabic country.

He'd also spread fear by saying that the Dems don't have the balls to stop shit like this, and probably make it so he could run again.

King George.

He would be impeached.

Both side of the isle would line up to sign the papers.

Why?





Only 35% of Americas population trusts and believes in the man.
Congress, even the Repugs have been distancing themselves.
Many repugs have expressed an interest in impeachment already!

If there were a terror attack on US soil,
at the very least,
he would have failed to prevent it,
in the same way the levee's busted even though he knew they would.
Today, more than half of all Americans believe the Other party woiuld do a better job with national security.
Nope, if there were a terror attack on US soil, that really would be the last straw!


America is ready to hold the president accountable.
Things are lining up right now.
A terror attack would simply make that more urgent and immediate.


BUSH NO LONGER HAS A BASE!

The only thing better then a terrorist attack on US soil right now, would be ether a citizen uprising or a immigration uprising. Ether one would allow instant martial law and most people would support it.

MM has hit the nail on the head of what I fear: suspension of the Constitution and its protections of civil rights for the purpose of security. I think they would do it, and I think the people would support it.

What would follow that is something we should all fear greatly. It would be Bush and the neocons totally unleashed to do what they wanted, both inside and outside of the USA.

It's called COG, and it IS a plan! Continuity of Government. Google it!

AHA! Caught you sky! (tee-hee ) Now you know why it IS possible to vote for a Republican over a Democrat! :

For my reasons I would vote an impeaching Republican over a warhawk like DEM Hillary, and I would vote an anti-war Republican over a Zionist/Neocon like DEM Joe Lieberman (and there are more but I'm almost afraid to mention them because of getting flamed, ANTI-SEMETICALLY speaking, that is ).

But anywho, back on topic, I agree with you sky... Bushco would be more morons than they are now to pull a false flag at this juncture. So the only reason they would do it, is because they are complete morons!
(is this a paradox? )



Hmmm, do you think that is why the government is instigating all this illegal immigrant controversey right now , so they can "test" their new KBR/HAL-built camps using Ollie's Rex84 ?

How many of you believe in Evolution and that we came from animals? Perticularly mammals. The whole population in America is a clan of humans. The word clan, means the same exact thing aslmost as a herd, a pride, a flock, a school, what have you. That instict to stick together in troubled times is still with us. Just like anyone of those things, when shit hits the fans, all the members of the clan instictivly looks to the alpha male and follow him over a cliff if he ran straight that way.

We all know this, we all see it every day in our lives. You think someone is brainwashing us, when you dont realize you where born brainwashed to "follow the leader". The parenting style of blind obdience and athoritarian only enforces that instict and in my opinion, keeps it present in our sub-concious, and keeps it from envolving out as our primary concious takes control from our "reptilian" mind.

I alsways wonder why many of you strike down religion, but never take root in evolution ether. Maybe you are just agnostic? Maybe I am confused about the meaning of that word?

edit-Sorry, I am a idiot and just realized I never stated my point....

What ever action take places in America, what proof do you have humans dont blindly follow their leaders?

To answer your question, I strongly disagree with the assertion that we evolved per random mutations from animals to humans, as current science says. I believe in Creationism, but not as Christians do. I believe there is some intelligence that genetically engineered humans, but I have no idea of what that intelligence consists of. I guess you could say that I believe in "God", but I don't know what the term "God" means.

Many Americans, probably most, would blindly follow their leader in a crisis situation where they feared for their very lives and thought that their leader could save them if they followed his leadership. That is true everywhere, not just in America.

That's fine, just as long as you remember that there will most likely
be no impeachment if the Repugs maintain control of the house.

That aspect is still an outside chance, and though narrowing the gap will help hugely,
if the Repugs do not want to impeach their president, it won't happen.

Furthermore, the minority party doesn't get to decide who heads the most important committees.
Taking the house from the Repugs is of the utmost importance,
and still less than 50% likely to happen.

MM, I believe Karl Rove must have a PhD in group psychology, because I believe he even has Dems brainwashed (defend Israel before your own nation & send your kidz to die for Israel even for pre-emptive war...) Also this recent illegal immigrant thing, I'm sure Karl Rove is laughing his ass off (he's got Bush smelling like a rose being FOR illegals staying because they use the buzzword "immigrants" a whole lot more than the fact that they are illegals, while Dems are disagreeing with each other, and some are agreeing with the Repubs on this illegals issue). Bush may be the puppet, but Karl Rove is the puppetmaster and that is why no-one will fire him in the White House unless he is arrested and hog-tied and brought to jail... even then, they'd still probably bail him out, what would they do without Bush's Brain???
As long as Karl Rove has a job in the White House, the American masses will blindly follow the leader.

Here's definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_of_government


I googled it, good grief they have their whole website setup about it... I guess I feel "safer" now? :

http://www.continuityofgovernment.org/home.html

Once again, another "non-profit org." with close ties to the AEI!!! I'm mad as a mad-hatter now... how come they got all this "power" to "plan" the Continuity of Government when they ain't the government themselves!!! This so-called "committee" is a private club planning all this for we peons , and we don't have a say in the matter because we are not a member of their elite "club". Chalk this up as just another abuse of the NPO 501c3 system against WE THE PEOPLE!!!

True, thanks for keeping us on our toes about the Congressional "game" , sky... so you are saying , to heck with individuals, just get the Dems in no matter what (we clean Dem house after the fact?) I believe that theory, but I'm so paranoid now, I know what NeoCONS are capable of >>> making a party transplant!
They've already parasited the GOP host to no credibility whatsoever, NeoCONS only viable host left is the Dem Party!

Holy Shit, Yank.

That was an amazing read. Rather than copy and paste the whole website here, I suggest anyone who has the time go take a gander at it. Its fucking amazing. They have congressmen proposing amendments to appoint their sucessors....unbelievable!

Yeah, Tap tipped us off about COG ... if I got time, I'm going to link it up at Political Friendster. I'm willing to bet the dots eventually connect them to the PNAC thread !

Also, since when do private committees about the government have more influence/power than the open committees within the government itself... don't answer that, since the beginning of time, right?! .

If cirtcumstances were "normal" I wouldn't advocate the democrats simply because they are!
Absolutely not!

Unfortunately, no matter how many times people, including the members of this forum
force me to consider other options, I always come back to the same conclusion.

Status quo simply will not do!
Status qou means nothing significant changes!

I grant you that generally we have serious issues with many drmocrats,
but, (and this is very important)

We can work with the Democrats.
The Repugs demand that we work with them!
And this is a very big and important differance!


After the Repugs have been removed,
then all cards are back on the table!
Untill the Repugs are removed,
at best you have status quo.



Plus one more factor.
And I admit, this is not the good side of me,
but the Repugs and their president have been guilty of way too many crimes
both legal and moral,
I want retrobution!

The man told me he was gonna get those responsible for 9/11.
He has not, and if fact, let him go when he was cornered!
When I think of the image in my mind of those people jumping from the burning towers,
and I think about Bush and Osama, I just get pissed all over again.

They all connect thru the ICE program, and pnac...I just suck at re-finding articles Ive read....you are so much better at it.

Funny , I would be more apt to vote straight-ticket Dem if things were "normal" and it was just Republican failures that we are voting on... but it is not normal by any stretch of the imagination, because it is NeoCON failures & lies we have been subject to all this time via their kidnapped (albeit willing at the time) Republican Party. I just hope that if I do vote straight-ticket Dem Party in November 2006, there will be no kidnapping of the Dem Party at that time by the NeoCONS (yes, I am pretty paranoid about this... maybe too soon though before 2008 )

LOL sorry, I spose I should have stated myself better.


By normal,
I mean if the Repugs hadn't spent the last 2 decades reworking the American Politcal Process to suit their desires!
In exactly the same way that Delay reworked the legislative districts in Texas!

Tap, You are very good at finding connections , period! Damn , it all comes back to the PNAC, ALWAYS ... I guess I shouldn't be too shocked since they are DIRECTLY connected to the AEI!!! And the ICE program, what the heck is that ? I go google now

Tap, are you tryin' to say the COG is connected to the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)? Or do I got the wrong ICE?

http://www.ice.gov/graphics/index.htm

when you two ladies get this sorted out,
would one of you please repost in a clean clear statement what you are saying?

Yank, dont mean to bust your bubble, but if you just look around the internet, you wioll find MANY Republicans "becoming" Democrats. Notice it is before the 06? Like they dont know most Demos right now are preaching vote party line. Come on, they have your phone tapped. Of course they know and htey will use that to their advantage. Maybe you guys should read the "Art of War", you would be suprised how mcuh Karl Rove uses from it.

ok, I am going to go for awhile and build a Political Friendster on COG... basically it is a rich white man's smoker jacket club pawning itself off with some "official" aura it does not possess ... they are planning since 2002 how the government will run if the government can't run normally due to catastrophic circumstances, and they don't want Joe Billybob's input , just their own input, which is why COG is a non-profit org and we ain't welcome(arrgghhh ). Be back when I got a COG thread together...

That Yank.
I like her!

I think we should keep her!

The ICE immigration program has to do with the building of all these detention centers....originally in Ollie Norths COG plan; and it states somewhere in their "Statement" that these facilities could be used for the purpose of detaining people in an emergency situation; where the govt is shut down, they suspend the constitution, and certain "unnamed" business people will take power.

uhhhhhh can you say halliburton? ok this is taken off a thread article i got in here last week and d/l'ed...whoever posted it, can link it for ya!

PS:Endgame = ICE

Well , I better add ICE to my Rex84 thread over at Political Threadster... thanks, Tap! :

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPer...2239&name=Rex84

PS COG Political Friendster thread currently under construction... WANTED: articles tying Rex84 , COG, & ICE together please

This thread may have deviated a little from where I intended it to go. All I wanted to say, which I will clarify here, is that regardless of whether the PNAC had anything at all to do with 9-11 happening, they certainly saw what it did for their cause. 9-11 changed the political landscape overnight and allowed them to do what they could not have hoped to do otherwise. They "needed" a 9-11 to carry out their stated goals, and they even stated that something like 9-11 would have to happen.

Now they see that many in the country are turning against them and their policies, yet they have only started doing what they planned on doing. Will men like this go down peacefully, easily? Will they let their dream slip away from them simply because popular opinion has turned against them? Or will they do something to change popular opinion in a dramatic way, to put the country back on the track they want it to on? Iraq is and will continue to be a failure for them. They cannot maintain what they are doing there without a change in the status quo here. They cannot expand their quest to Iran, Syria, and beyond without a change in the status quo here. I fear they will manufacture that change in status quo, with a little help from their friends who have the power to do these things. It may not be a major terrorist attack on US soil, but it will be something to distract people and bring them back to trusting Bush again for their security. That is what I meant when I said they had "done the math". It would not take much to scare people back into line.

I guess that's what me, Tap, & Lefty are saying, they are doing their plans NOW (false flag or no false flag) >>> KBR/HAL camps, COG, ICE, etc., etc.

As I understand the halliburton detention-camp contracts, they're contingency only -- they get paid, but they don't build until there's an order.

So Halliburton gets paid for doing nothing (at best).

And of course having built the camps, they're sure to get the contracts to run the camps.

And they probably also get access to secret Northern Command planning that will get them inside the door for the NEXT no-bid contract as well.

It hasn't happened yet, but aren't you glad that people are already being paid to come and take you away?

My understanding of "Rex 84 camps" is that many of them have already been in place , some since Ollie days , just lying dormant. Some are old WWII camps and bases converted . There's a lot of info on the 'net floating around about them, the laws are already in place to "trigger" them as needed , and even their present locations, if you Google "Rex 84 camps" :

http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=Ne...rticle&sid=1062

Since the camps apparently already exist and don't really need to be built, I have a feeling KBR/HAL may just have the new contract only to get them "up and running" on an as-need-basis only, so perhaps they are being paid by contingency just to "be prepared"?!