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Should the U.S. send in more troops to help prevent civil war in Iraq?

* 13969 responses


Yes
16%



No
84%




3-15-06 8:30pm west coast
rcorporon
Sorry, but the way I see it:

You broke it, you bought it.

The US fucked up Iraq beyond all recognition and told the UN to fuck off,

SO

The US has to stick around and clean up the shit that has been sprayed off of the fan.

It sucks, but them's the breaks.
sky of mind
QUOTE(rcorporon @ Wednesday, 15 March 2006, 8:44 pm) [snapback]47904[/snapback]

Sorry, but the way I see it:

You broke it, you bought it.

The US fucked up Iraq beyond all recognition and told the UN to fuck off,

SO

The US has to stick around and clean up the shit that has been sprayed off of the fan.

It sucks, but them's the breaks.




I think more than any reality,
this poll is further condemnation of Bushco politics.

In different circumstances
people may generally agree with you Scorp, (6 months ago I would have agreed with you)
but dispise everything Bush has touched!
rcorporon
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 16 March 2006, 1:49 pm) [snapback]47908[/snapback]

I think more than any reality,
this poll is further condemnation of Bushco politics.

In different circumstances
people may generally agree with you Scorp, (6 months ago I would have agreed with you)
but dispise everything Bush has touched!


I agree 100% sky.

THe poll shows that teh average US citizen is fed up with Bush and his nonsense.

They want a change.

However, this is a mess that your country will be stuck with for a LONG time.

Sadly, it will be with the blood of the solidiers that this debt is payed with.
sky of mind
QUOTE(rcorporon @ Wednesday, 15 March 2006, 9:03 pm) [snapback]47910[/snapback]

I agree 100% sky.

THe poll shows that teh average US citizen is fed up with Bush and his nonsense.

They want a change.

However, this is a mess that your country will be stuck with for a LONG time.

Sadly, it will be with the blood of the solidiers that this debt is payed with.




I think it is exceptionally likely that Iraq would be better off if we just "cut and run"
Yes, it would be ugly for a while. But I doubt it would be any worse than it already is.
I think if we leave, the reason for most of the tension leaves with us.

Then after we leave, the US should give a few extra billion to the UN,
so they can go in and try to keep the peace.
rcorporon
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 16 March 2006, 2:09 pm) [snapback]47914[/snapback]

I think it is exceptionally likely that Iraq would be better off if we just "cut and run"
Yes, it would be ugly for a while. But I doubt it would be any worse than it already is.
I think if we leave, the reason for most of the tension leaves with us.

Then after we leave, the US should give a few extra billion to the UN,
so they can go in and try to keep the peace.


We'll have to disagree here.

If the US left now, the country would descend into absolute, sectarian chaos.

Sunni's and Shiites would slaughter each other without restraint or abandon.

The end result? One powerful man would eventually rise up and assume control of the country. He would crack down on violence in the most brutal way, and alienate and persocute other sects that weren't loyal to him.

Sound familiar?

It should, it's what the US went into Iraq to stop in the first place (along with oil).

It would be quite rich for the US to ask the UN now to go in and keep the peace.

That is what the UN was doing when it was using a policy of containment (which was working, and quite well I might add).

As much as it sucks, and as terrible a price you're going to have to pay, you'll need to stick around and rebuild what was torn down.

Iraq needs power, water, food, infrastructure, a military, a functioning gov't, schools, transportation, a workable oil refinement system, police, etc, etc.

That cannot get done with so much inter-Iraqi tension going on.

The US and the UK need to put in for the long haul and ensure that this country doesn't enter 15 years of brutal civil war.

Need historical precedent? Easy. Look at Afghanistan after the USSR "cut and run." There was civil war followed by the rise of the Taliban.

Same will happen in Iraq.
net addict
QUOTE
You broke it, you bought it.


yeah they are calling it the pottery barn rule.

of course the Pottery Barn has no such rule: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050110/klein

even wickpedia covers this:
QUOTE
'You are going to be the proud owner of 25 million people,' he told the president. 'You will own all their hopes, aspirations, and problems. You'll own it all.' Privately, Powell and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage called this the Pottery Barn rule: You break it, you own it." (page 150)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottery_Barn_rule
sky of mind
QUOTE(net addict @ Wednesday, 15 March 2006, 9:42 pm) [snapback]47925[/snapback]

yeah they are calling it the pottery barn rule.

of course the Pottery Barn has no such rule: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050110/klein

even wickpedia covers this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottery_Barn_rule





We couldn't save the gulf coast from Katrina.
Even after the fact, that pottery is still in pieces.
So, now that Bush owns it, when does it get fixed?
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