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Make Impeachment the Platform

By Devilstower
03/12/2006 08:28:15 PM EST

How many times have you heard it? The Democratic Party has no coherent message. Democrats lack focus, discipline, leadership. On the other hand, Republicans are presented as the party that keeps its act together. Republicans know how to toe the line. They have a solid message of... of... something.
Of course, there's little or no truth to this perception. Democrats stand for what they've always stood for: fair wages, access to health care, equal rights, and a decent concern for the environment.

Republicans stand for their traditional values: incompetence, corruption, and the idea that there's something intrinsically patriotic about screwing the average person.

But there's little doubt that, not matter how unfair, the Democrats have been tagged by the media as the party without a message. To get past that label is going to take something big, something decisive. Here's an idea: vote for Democrats, and we will kick Bush out of the White House.



Even as Russ Feingold introduces a measure to censure the president, and thirty representatives have signed onto a bill of impeachment, there's still a timidity around the whole idea. Some Democrats wriggle uncomfortably at the thought. And more than one has spouted the "it doesn't matter how much you want him impeached until Democrats have the majority in congress."
To which I say: exactly. If the desire is Bush's impeachment, and the means to that end is a Democratic majority, then why not set the party's position squarely on that plank. Vote for Democrats, and we'll impeach Bush.

In fact, this connection seems so clear that the arguments against the action seem particulary weak.

1) People don't want the president impeached.
Actually, well before the Dubai Ports deal, the exposure of warrantless wiretapping, or the decline in the already horrid conditions in Iraq, a majority of people were already in favor of impeaching Bush if it could be shown that he lied to the public. Does anyone doubt that he has? Does anyone doubt that a Democratically controlled House and Senate would be able to produce solid evidence of these lies?

2) Republicans suffered a "kick back" from trying to impeach Clinton.
First, barely half as many people felt Clinton deserved impeachment as those willing to boot Bush. Not even a majority of Republicans favored the action. Even so, the "kick back" saw the Republicans not only take the White House in the next election, but solidify their hold on congress. Many of those most involved in Clinton's impeachment hold high positions in the House or Senate today. Far from disdaining the Republican action, no matter what the polls say, the public rewarded their assertiveness on election day.

3) President Cheney.
Oh, come on, does anyone think he'd ever get his hand raised before he was running for a county without extradition?

4) Democrats are just being negative again.
We'll be positive -- as soon as we've evicted the snake in charge of this serpent's den.

Forget the pundits who roll their eyes at any sign of Democratic spine. Forget the Republicans who spew forth noise of treason at any swing against Bush. Forget those who council compromise, conciliation, and tiny changes from Republican positions. Forget the omens of doom for any who dare call the emperor on his nakedness.

Elect Democrats. We'll throw the bum out.





rcorporon
Great idea.

Too bad that the minute any Dem proposed this they would be ostracized from the party and left out in the cold to get thrashed by the media.
wiretapthisDMW
Great Post!
POAC
I don't care how sweet your platform is, if you ignore the rigged voting issues, you aren't going anywhere.
wiretapthisDMW
QUOTE(POAC @ Tuesday, 14 March 2006, 5:17 pm) [snapback]47534[/snapback]

I don't care how sweet your platform is, if you ignore the rigged voting issues, you aren't going anywhere.


Point made, and well taken, (at least by me) But I do believe the mid-terms are crucial and somehow we need to get the voters out. As Ive ranted before, you know the ultra-cons will attach anti-gay, "save the babies" and other such to get the KristianKoalition out. We need to get them out AND reform the rigged voting machine problem.
Max-1
The deminutive Democrats are far too shy for something so brave and honorable.

It's a great idea.

Actually, any ONE idea that the Dems can rally behind would be a start.

Too many cooks in the kitchen.

Not to say that the Repubs haven't given us a lot of raw ingredients.

All it takes is one cook, one pie; In the face of the Republican Party.
sky of mind
QUOTE(POAC @ Tuesday, 14 March 2006, 2:17 pm) [snapback]47534[/snapback]

I don't care how sweet your platform is, if you ignore the rigged voting issues, you aren't going anywhere.




I don't care if the elections are rigged or not,
if you can't get liberal unity, the unity of talking points will eat your lunch!
And have done so twice now!



OK OK!
So BOTH issues are important
As in, can't have one with out the other!
Or, one isn't much value with out the other!


Wait wait wait!
That sounds too logical!
Somethings wrong!

QUOTE(Max-1 @ Tuesday, 14 March 2006, 2:57 pm) [snapback]47542[/snapback]

The deminutive Democrats are far too shy for something so brave and honorable.

It's a great idea.

Actually, any ONE idea that the Dems can rally behind would be a start.

Too many cooks in the kitchen.

Not to say that the Repubs haven't given us a lot of raw ingredients.

All it takes is one cook, one pie; In the face of the Republican Party.




As Karl of Rove looks on with beady eyes, and evil snearing grin he says,
Lets give this here wheel a SPIN!
Max-1
QUOTE("Sky")
As Karl of Rove looks on with beady eyes, and evil snearing grin he says,
Lets give this here wheel a SPIN!
EXACTLY

Who decides what the issues are?
The Republicans?
The Democrats?

Or . . .

The People?

If I have an issue with health care, then it is an issue to me.
If I have an issue with outsourced security, then it is an issue to me.
If I have an issue with the war, then it is an issue to me.
If I have an issue with human rights violations, then it is an issue to me.

I can make a list of issues, just like anyone else.
And just like anyone else, if it is an issue, it is an issue.

So many issues, for you and I.
That we need to prioritize.
Which is more important?
Which requires a priority?
Which takes prescidence?

The issue that much of our issues stem from . . .
Is the issue of incompetent management, criminal negligence, fraud and deceit, National and International legislative violations, and the funneling of our tax dollars to fund an illegal war that reigns death and destruction with an oppressive occupation that fosters hatred of my Country.

Our president puts our lives at risk each day his Administration is in control.
I, no longer am safe . . .
We are no longer safe due to his Administrations attempted tyrannical rule of the world.

Our president terrorizes those
That wish to be known as terrorists.
This terrorizes me.
Does this not make,
Our president a terrorist, of sorts?

That list of issues,
Each important in them selves,
Can not be fixed and amended until,
The issue that they hemorrhage from is stopped.
AntiFlagWaver
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 13 March 2006, 10:26 pm) [snapback]47421[/snapback]

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Make Impeachment the Platform

By Devilstower
03/12/2006 08:28:15 PM EST

How many times have you heard it? The Democratic Party has no coherent message. Democrats lack focus, discipline, leadership. On the other hand, Republicans are presented as the party that keeps its act together. Republicans know how to toe the line. They have a solid message of... of... something.
Of course, there's little or no truth to this perception. Democrats stand for what they've always stood for: fair wages, access to health care, equal rights, and a decent concern for the environment.

Republicans stand for their traditional values: incompetence, corruption, and the idea that there's something intrinsically patriotic about screwing the average person.

But there's little doubt that, not matter how unfair, the Democrats have been tagged by the media as the party without a message. To get past that label is going to take something big, something decisive. Here's an idea: vote for Democrats, and we will kick Bush out of the White House.
Even as Russ Feingold introduces a measure to censure the president, and thirty representatives have signed onto a bill of impeachment, there's still a timidity around the whole idea. Some Democrats wriggle uncomfortably at the thought. And more than one has spouted the "it doesn't matter how much you want him impeached until Democrats have the majority in congress."
To which I say: exactly. If the desire is Bush's impeachment, and the means to that end is a Democratic majority, then why not set the party's position squarely on that plank. Vote for Democrats, and we'll impeach Bush.

In fact, this connection seems so clear that the arguments against the action seem particulary weak.

1) People don't want the president impeached.
Actually, well before the Dubai Ports deal, the exposure of warrantless wiretapping, or the decline in the already horrid conditions in Iraq, a majority of people were already in favor of impeaching Bush if it could be shown that he lied to the public. Does anyone doubt that he has? Does anyone doubt that a Democratically controlled House and Senate would be able to produce solid evidence of these lies?

2) Republicans suffered a "kick back" from trying to impeach Clinton.
First, barely half as many people felt Clinton deserved impeachment as those willing to boot Bush. Not even a majority of Republicans favored the action. Even so, the "kick back" saw the Republicans not only take the White House in the next election, but solidify their hold on congress. Many of those most involved in Clinton's impeachment hold high positions in the House or Senate today. Far from disdaining the Republican action, no matter what the polls say, the public rewarded their assertiveness on election day.

3) President Cheney.
Oh, come on, does anyone think he'd ever get his hand raised before he was running for a county without extradition?

4) Democrats are just being negative again.
We'll be positive -- as soon as we've evicted the snake in charge of this serpent's den.

Forget the pundits who roll their eyes at any sign of Democratic spine. Forget the Republicans who spew forth noise of treason at any swing against Bush. Forget those who council compromise, conciliation, and tiny changes from Republican positions. Forget the omens of doom for any who dare call the emperor on his nakedness.

Elect Democrats. We'll throw the bum out.



I didn't even read this when you first posted it, Sky, but I today I did.

Elect Democrats. We'll throw the bum out.

Are we living in the same dimension, Sky? You saw what happened with Feingold and you make a post like this, a statement like this, AFTER that happened? Democrats won't even consider a censure of Bush, but they are gonna throw Bush out. You are totally detached from reality, Dude. If I ever doubted it before, this proves it.

I think I hear the music from the "Twilight Zone" playing somewhere. Thats where you reside, Sky. In a twilight Zone alternate reality where Democrats are always good and Republicans are always bad.
sky of mind
QUOTE(AntiFlagWaver @ Wednesday, 15 March 2006, 10:58 am) [snapback]47747[/snapback]

I didn't even read this when you first posted it, Sky, but I today I did.

Elect Democrats. We'll throw the bum out.

Are we living in the same dimension, Sky? You saw what happened with Feingold and you make a post like this, a statement like this, AFTER that happened? Democrats won't even consider a censure of Bush, but they are gonna throw Bush out. You are totally detached from reality, Dude. If I ever doubted it before, this proves it.

I think I hear the music from the "Twilight Zone" playing somewhere. Thats where you reside, Sky. In a twilight Zone alternate reality where Democrats are always good and Republicans are always bad.




I've already said what I had to say on this subject, ad nausium.

I will again ask that if you have personal issue with me or any forum member,
please take it to PM.

If we can't discuss a topic without making it personal,
I would assume, at least for the time being, it would be best to not discuss it at all.

You and I are not gonna agree on this issue,
surely everybody but us saw this reality a long time back.

When is enough way too much?


If you have something constructive to add,
absolutely, by all means add it!

Otherwise, please move in.



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