We always talk about how much the republicans hate us, how they don't listen to us, how they make up sterotypes about us, how they judge democrats more than republicans, so on and so forth.

Don't we do the same thing though? We don't like republicans, we don't listen to them, we make up sterotypes about them, we judge republicans more than democrats.

How are we any better or different than them?

I'm sorry to say it Jack, but you are way too correct.

It's as if this were some sort of ball game, and it doesn't matter what the issue is,
they're the other team!

I have nothing in common with the Neocons, or the Fundies,
but most Republicans are just folks like me and you!

I am not 100% liberal on every issue,
and very few Republicans are Conservative on every issue.

That said, every Republican needs to be voted out of office.
Because they are deliberatly and with consious effort blocking and preventing the Democratic process.
Then we can go after and clean up the Democrats!

I heard someone say, some pundit on the BBC, that it's very difficult to get the truth in the US. You can get the Democrat news/truth or the Republican news/truth. Which means the REAL truth lies somewhere in the middle. But we lack a vioce for that middle. Instead we have each side doing a continuous pep rally for their version of things.

Maybe we do. But it doesn't change the fact that on most issues there is a right side, backed up with reason and fact, and there is a wrong side, backed up by wishful thinking, superstition, and emotion. And most of the time, it's not hard to figure out which party is on which side.

Maybe we do the same things as Republicans, but I'll be damned if anyone calls us moral equals.

I judge them, and find them lacking generally because I do listen to them. And so do you. I hope. This is the big problem with liberals...they over-intellectualize. "Gosh, y'know, the Nazis are people , too, I mean, just like you and me, right? So shouldn't we give them the benefit of the doubt?" NO, WRONG. They are not like us and we are not like them. I am surprised that crossbreeding even produces offspring. Find something else to hang your free-floating guilt on. And while you're at it, pass the ammunition. If you took the time to listen to them, you wouldn't feel so precious fucking awful about disliking them. You would realize that they intend your grandchildren, if not your children, to be born into slavery.

Zooks!

I agree with everything that you've said. I listen to republicans every (working) day of my life (weekends are MY time and I refuse to listen to them). The fact of the matter is that they are wrong. I don't care how much they may try to get me to understand their ideas, how much they simplify extremely complex institutions and ideals, I WILL NEVER BE LIKE A REPUBLICAN. Yes, granted, some who call themselves republicans are just "good ole boys & gals" but, they SUPPORT the fucking pathetic bubblefucked administration that we are all being punished by and will DEFEND everything they do.

For god's sake, if you are just a good ole red-blooded american, what's WRONG with someone listening to your phone calls? Or if we dump TOXIC chemicals into our lakes, rivers, streams, dirt or release it into our air...enviormentalists just over-react and distort facts; there is no acid rain, global warming, fossil fuel crisis.

For me personally, it has come down to the fact that I do, actually, believe that there is a RIGHT way and there is a WRONG way to exist in this world. Its not elitist, I am not superior, but I would actually LIKE for my child to grow up without being controlled to fucking death by some corpogovernment entity. I would like for him to BREATHE CLEAN AIR and EAT NON-GENETICALLY MUTATED food. Talk to a republican. A real live one. Ask them if they even care about improving education and if they say yes, ask them if we can raise their property taxes...I GUARANTEE that they will say FUCK NO! Damn government programs are just over-run with liberals wasting money.

People are different, and that's that.

I agree with Zooks 100%.

Right wingers are dangerous, period.

We don't always have to try to sympathize, or find a common ground.

Sorry, but it's not right to generalize.
I personally know conservative people who are not fans of Bushco.
Conservatives who are seriousely concerned that their party has been hijacked by the Neocon and the Fundy.


Granted, when I meet someone and however they let me know they are conservative,
I admit I become defensive and ready to do battle.
This is the result of having been smacked around a lot by Rabid Wingers!

But, I keep the eyes and mind open and hope that this time I will have a conservative who can tollerate a different view.
This isn't as common as the Winger.
Those who are not rabid generally won't tell you what their politics are!


Or as my dad used to say,
his political opinions were personal, private and not open to discussion!

Yeah, I stand with Zooks.

Negotiating with the radical right has dragged mainstream democrats so far right of center they are now moderate republicans. Don't believe it? Look at the way they vote on the senate floor. I am very far left of center, maybe even radically so, and I am not going to apologize for it, nor am I going to support anyone else who does. If the government does not exist as a servant of the people, then it should not exist at all.

Total fucking hero.

Well said, my friend. Beautiful. I bow to you, sir.

I have realized the Brilliants in this mans head for a while now.
he's modest and doesn't quite realize how well he expresss's himself.

That is exactly why I became a Democrat in 1998.

Lefty, "bubblefucked" ? Whew, I gotta remember that one!

(I'm not picking on you, just enjoying what came out of your brain mid-rant!)

makes me think of having sex in that room in Willy Wonka's chocolate factory with the fizzy lifting drinks. I'd pay damn good money for that.

Back to the point, though:

I think it all boils down to marginalizations, generalizations, stereo-types and labels. I certainly think we do it less than the right, at least we make a conscious effort not to, but both sides do it. It's how we seperate and identify things in our minds. A big problem that I see from our side is that we label fascists, conservatives, and republicans all as the same bunch. In the same way that "the right" ( for lack of a more specific marginalizing generalizing stereo-typing label) labels anything that disagrees with the GOP party line as "liberal".



I have to change that graphic. We have a few personalities on Air AMerica that do that just as badly. And that doesn't help anyone.

Actually, that was a typo, supposed to be bumblefucked. I was ranting though and didn't take time to read what I said.

I like bubblefucked and I'm sticking with it. Look forward to me working that little gem into the headlines on the main page in the upcoming days.

Get bubblefucked by the bubble headed Boy in a Bubble.!


That's Bubblicious!

Another one of my threads destroyed

I don't know if I should be honored or embarrassed.

Maybe I can shed some light on this too... I've been both Democrat and Republican, then back to Democrat. I see good things in both, it changes in the wind for me when one gets too extreme then I go the other way... I guess I'm trying to keep centered.

Yes, the Nixonites , and Reaganites had their neo-con tendencies, even LBJ did (remember, much of Neoconservatism is based on Henry "Scoop" Jackson!)

But this is the first time an Administration OPENLY did pre-emptive war in American history> Bushco's brand of PNAC Neoconism is definitely worth villifying to the maximum degree. They are not into shredding, they are into posting their plots on the internet! They are not clandestine or covert about it, which is why they are so much more evil than prior wannabe pre-neocon Administrations.

The bigger the lie the easier it is to pull it off, and that it why we are right and the Neocons are wrong.

But the average Republican voter, I don't hate him or her... I just ignore their ignorance and their misguided loyalty.