The POAC was mentioned in the opening statements of a military court case* as "an anti-war organization". A recent newspaper article described us as "an unabashedly liberal Kerry supporting site". How would you describe the POAC?





* I'll fill in the details on that when I can, right now for legal reasons I'm not allowed to.

IMWO(1), POAC is a wholly non-partisan website for people who may or may not share some number of "liberal" or "progressive" attitudes about any number of topics.

Any confusion between the views of forum members--either individually or collectively--with an official stance of the forum's owners is a laughably silly mistake. Just because the organizers and most outspoken members of POAC tend to support Democrats and liberals doesn't mean POAC is itself partisan, just like the support for Bush coming from the leaders of the United States military doesn't mean the military is "un unabashedly conservative Bush supporting organization."

Assuming the opinions of members or leaders of any organization is equivalent to a stance by the organization itself is a mistake of either logic or perception, or both. This is a bit of the logical fallacy of the ambiguous collective, in which an entire group is loosely referred to as "they" or "we", without specific details.

What's more, it's also the fallacy called Reification, or "Anti-Conceptual Mentality", in which a group or a concept is treated as though it is a thinking, living person with singular desires, hatreds, and opinions.

A helpful and brief explanation of reification.


(1) IMWO = In My Worthless Opinion

We're just a bunch of people who, by and large, can't stand Bush and definitely aren't conservative.

That broad enough for ya?

'Bina.

WHen i first began hearing about PNAC, i thought it was totally crazy. Then when i heard of POAC and that it was against what pnac stood for, i was all for that. IT's also a "place" where you can get information that might not be so big in the MSM.
Certainly if there is going to be such a thing as pnac, there has to be a POAC! Many people are not aware of pnac, and it sounds too much like something from an old saturday morning cartoon.
AMerican domination of the world is NOT what the USA is about. In fact, trying to do that has made us weaker. Too much power concentrated among a few people totally wipes the whole equality/freedom idea out of the water.

I don't think we're anti-war as much as anti-Iraq War. And if we're unabashedly liberal, then so be it. Chances are that paper was along the lines of WSJ/WashTimes levels of whoredom anyway.

yeah, I'm with you guys. I don't see it as an anti-war organization at all. I think we are all for taking up arms in defense of our native beloved country. I think we are more of an anti-corruption independent news outlet. But I guess being anti-coruption makes you liberal. You don't see a lot of complaints about corporate fraud on CU or free republic.

I would define the POAC as a voice of reason in an increasingly unreasonable world. I'm reading a great biography of Edward R Murrow right now and I keep wishing we had him here and now to give his take on what is happening in our country and our world. I am just so sick of our current media for the most part, it just seems like whoever shouts the loudest or is the most outrageous or obnoxious wins.
On a more positive note, reading the Murrow book has caused me to quit smoking.
Day three...wish me luck.
LTX

* and ...?? Has enough time passed ?

Yes. I don't know if you were following our work with Jennifer Dyer.
You can read her story here:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/jennifer.htm

Anyway, the opening statement made by the DoD prosecutor in her initial court case was "What is your connection with the anti-war organization Project for the Old American Century?".

At the time that I posted that, I wasn't allowed to say anything about her or the case.

Would've been nice if Perry Mason could have jumped up like on the old TV show and said, "Objection, your honor, irrelevant, immaterial, etc."

So they showed from their opening statement that they had no intention of addressing the facts of the case whatsoever and wanted only to compound injury with insult.

Whatever else POAC may be, it is honest, honorable, and perfectly aware that our government is not. Long may it wave!

Anti-war isn't very accurate.

Anti-presidential lie! Yeah.


Even so, this is only one aspect discussed.

How's this... Anti-Corrupt... Anti-Fascist... Anti-Corporate Sponsored Cheap Labor Legislation... Anti-Fear Mongering... Anti-Racist... Anti-Theocratic Governance... Pro-Equality... Pro-Democracy... Pro-Middle Class and Lower Class... Pro-Fair Play... Pro-Open Governance... Pro-Critical Assessment... Pro-Peace... Pro-Environmental Protection...

Above all... Pro-Reality...

Did I miss any?

I thought for a moment, "ya know, I could play with this!"
Then I decided, nah, stay serious!

I think you covered it very well.

Sir, thank you for pointing this out, Sir. I was not aware of Jennifer's ordeal prior to this.

My opinion : F T A all the way.