I have a dart board at home, a real one, but i need some darts. How much would a basic set cost me? It will take me a few days to get out the the Wal Mart and i am trying to get this all planned out. I went to Walmart.com but all they had was really expensive sets on there.


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Don't shop at WalMart.

It's bad for you.

blah blah blah. I'm goin' ta wal mart, like it or not.

Then you have no right to ever compain about workers rights, union issues, big business or corruption here.

Like sky says:

Walk your talk.

Scorp,

Something I'm sure you aren't aware of is that in many, many places in America now, the ONLY place to buy pretty much anything is Walmart. Not by our choice, but by fact of the market. Take my town of 23,000 for example.

Used to be a little "regular" walmart (not super), people shopped there occasionally, but most stuff was bought at the grocery store, several smaller stores we have, such as Fred's, the pharmacy, etc...well GUESS WHAT?
Walmart decided to build a big ole shiney SUPER walmart. Literally within 3 months 2 of the grocery stores were completely out of business, the pharmacies now have to charge insane amounts for household items to make up for the huge loss of buyers (Because, YES, many people couldn't care less about workers). The senario here is that now, the ONLY place you can go and buy say, a shower curtain, or in Jesus' case, darts, is WALMART. You say...drive to a nearby town and shop somewhere else...Nope, all of the towns that are larger than 1000 people within 100 miles of me are exactly the same. Walmart is an ugly monster that feeds on every small town store there is.

I will be quite honest and say I do shop at walmart. But I am very careful to only go there for things I cannot find at ANY other store around here. But am I really stopping them? I don't know.

Its a hard situation when there are no alternatives.

And, yes, if I know I am going to have to buy something, like my son's birthday stuff, I usually buy on-line ahead of time. But that doesn't solve everyday problems like running out of laundry detergent.

You can shop the evil, and still convert the evil.

I do not condemn anyone for shopping Wally world. They have their reasons. Leave them be.





Darts vary of course. Different flights, some have aluminum shafts, others are plastic.
Try a sporting goods store.

I dont know about the North-West part of the country, but I know down here in the South-East all we have are Wal-marts or really really expensive stores near the pricer parts of town so they dont have to shop at walmart, but that is it. Our downtown area that had the general store, outdoor store, book store, etc, even a baby supply store, all where closed withing a year of our super-walmart being built. We have one Food Lion left, but they are not doing so good ether and I think they will be gone by the summer. Next town to me, they have had theirsuper walmart way longer then we have and their "depressed" downtown is worse then ours.

Ok, you can untwist your panties now, i went to wal mart but they don't see them there any more. I went to Sears instead(i am sure it is so much better) and got what i needed. Plus, i also found out my dartboard has a baseball game on the back, which is cool. If only i knew how to play it.

Not so terribly long ago, I worked at Wal*Mart.
I would never suggest the job to anyone,
but as I considerd then, It's better than No job!


I still buy stuff at Wal*Mart, but not because I'm a fan.
I buy because it's convenient, and as a smart shopper I get the better deals,
and because I have the right.

Walking my talk has nothing to do with supporting Wal*Mart change!
I never did advocate a boycot, because I think it's simply ineffective.

I do though suggest you shop else where when ever you can.
And that's all!


Again, I am not a fan of walmarts for several reasons.
but, you also can't knock success!

Nearly everything walmart is guilty of,
so are others. Do the research on Target!
Meyer and Frank is on the other hand, an upscale shopping experience,
and yet not long ago they lost a labor suit that claimed they
forced employees to work off the clock.
Trust me, this is not uncommon!

Wal*Mart represents the biggest,
and therefor biggest and juiciest target!


Besides, I'm poor!
If I can get jeans that fit for $11 instead of $18, I'm kinda obligated!


Focus your energies on Wal*Mart,
That's where you can walk your talk.

Sorry guys, but that's a cop-out.

Wal*Mart is evil, and it's more evil than most places.

Watch the Wal Mart movie (The High Cost of Low Prices) and you'll see what I mean.

To say things like "I shop there, but I'm still against them" is simply backwards.

You are not helping to institute change, you're simply trying to ease your own feelings.

Ever hear about ebay? Online shopping?

You don't NEED to shop anywhere.

Howzabout ebay...I searched British Darts. Just a thought.

I have seen the movie, it's true and sensationalized to sell the point.
As I have said, I was once a Wal*Mart "associate". Hell, I've even done the Wal*Mart cheer!

I can shop there, and ask my legislators to make Wal*Mart charge an extra 2 cents on everything
so that every employee can have health insurance!
That's a reasonable response to a problem.
A self imposed Boycott simply will not work!
Proof?
Drive past any Wal*Mart and count cars in the parking lot.
Much more effective to work with-in the system and pass legislation!

Also as I have pointed out, which stores would you suggest we shop at?
Pick those that are not guilty of the same issues Wal*Mart is?
Target? Sears? Meier and Frank?

Hell, if yer all fired up, come on over and pass a petition around pushing a law
to require Wal*Mart to provide insurance!

The issue isn't about Wal*Mart taking advantage of any opportunity it can manufacture,
the problem is the State and Federal Governments who do nothing to require Wal*Mart to
follow any laws that as of yet do not exist to require them to do the things most of us agree that they should!

I have laws that govern me when I drive, if I fail to comply and get caught, i get fined.
Why can't we do the same to Wal*Mart and every other retailer?

The people who shop at Wal*Mart are not the bad guys here.
The bad guys are those in Governmernt who do nothing to correct something that needs to be fixed.



BTW
How many Wal*Mart stores you got in your neck of the woods?

Zero.

You lucky bastard.

Then apparently you have no room to pass judgement, do you?

As Lefty said before, I also live in a town of about of about 24,000 where Wal~mart has a monoploy on many daily staples and my business needs. I dwell in an income bracket that necessitates I buy some things at Wal~mart prices. Do I like it? no. But until you are faced with the same situation, it's better not to pass judgement on something you have no experience with.



Um.. actually you do.

Many things I can buy on line.
Most things I wanna look at it before I put money down!

At one time the right wing used to hammer welfare mothers,
saying most were nothing more than leaches on the tax system.

Well, because it does happen, we can't deny it,
even though most welfare mothers are in fact, in need!

So, do we discontinue the welfare system because a few take unfair advantage of the sytem?
Or do we pass legislation to fill the gaps?

Is it fair to villify those who shop at Wal*Mart?
Or would it be wiser to pass legislation to make The Big Box toe the line?

Do you blame the soldier for his wartime abuses,
or do you require the generals to keep closer eye on thier troops,
take responsibility for them and demand they follow the laws?


Do you go to the root of the issue,
or do you band aid it after the fact?

Are you proactive, or reactionary?


Wal*Mart is not evil. They only do what the law says the can!
Republicans are not evil. They only do what the people allow them to do!

That's a bit harsh.

I've never set foot inside a WalFart. I've never been in a war.
Using your logic I can't complain about Iraq or troop issues but I can complain about Walmart.

Come on, have a heart It's not that black and white. We didn't do any of this. We're having a hard time witnessing the destruction of all that America once stood for. If any of us here had our say, we'd still have thriving downtown businesses and decent jobs. I'll venture a guess here...not one of us would have said yes to any Walmarts if we'd had a choice.

What does all this have to do with darts?

SMART ASS!

This is actually a great discussion.

In Japan, there are no WalMarts (the only company WalMart owns here is called Daiei, and they are now going bankrupt because the Japanese don't want to shop in a US owned dept. store).

Back when I was in Canada, living off of $600 / month, I refused to go to WalMart. I would shop at Zellers (Canadian owned) even though it was further away (meaning a bus trip) and the prices were higher.

Foolish? Maybe.

However, at least I actually walked my talk and stood up for what I believed in.



Why isn't "both" and acceptable answer?



Again, I blame both.



Hitler wasn't evil, he was just doing what soceity allowed him to do!

Sky, this last bit is quite weak.

Benefit of the doubt only goes so far.



No, my point was it's hypocritical to condemn unfair labour practices and then go shop at walmart.

Same way it would be stupid to be anti-Iraq war and then go enlist in the corps.

Maybe you dont understand that there is nothing else, not even within a days drive and if you buy online, most of the time its from a Walmart distrubtion center, just sold by anotehr company, like alot of Amazon.com stuff.

The only way to go away from Walmart in my neck of the woods is to just create all my own things, from scratch, even simple supplies, because there is not even a Lowes near me. Also, there are some local laws that prevent creation of simple porcess needed to live "beyond" the requirement of civilzation.

I had no choice about this, I was born into this. The whole time I have been alive, there has been a Walmart, Sams Clud, or any other variant of that company. These "Super-Walmarts" are even worse. They are the final blow to any localized American economy.

That's a very black and white view. I think it would be more correct to say "it's hypocritical condem those who shop at a place that has unfair labour practices and then go shop at walmart."

Which nobody here has said and done.



Yes, I agree. But by your original standard, you set the bar unrealistically high. Not because you mean to, but you don't understand what choices many people are left with. Over 60% of our tax dollars go to the Pentagon, yet we don't support the war in Iraq. Should we stop paying taxes and go to prison? Should we stop buying goods and services altogther?

I totally respect your point, but I don't think you realize how much control Wal~mart has over rural and limited income America. When Robin and I first moved here we vowed never to shop there. In Kansas City, we had the ability to abide by that personal rule. Here, we don't. It's that simple. And until you walk in this guy's very worn out sneakers, don't verbally poop on those who have to do things that they don't like.


oh yeah...

dart baseball

You are 100% correct.

I simply didn't understand how pevasive Walmart was in some areas. In the area that I grew up there was a WalMart, but there were also a lot of Canadian stores that I could go to.

So, for those who have no true alternative, natrually I wouldn't shit on their heads.

But the original post was for darts, something that could be easily found outside of any walmart, and thus, within the area of my criticisms.

As I told you, I've worked for these people.
I can tell you stories, if I wanted too.

Robin went from being vice president of corporate relations for a major non profit to working at Wal~mart. How's that for a kick in the pants?

I have worked a lot of places in my lengthy feed my self and pay my own bills career,
But Wally World is the only place that ever fired me!


Why?
Basically, because I refused to work off the clock.
Or, for not doing what Wally specifically said we cannot do!

I don't work for free.
If I have work to do and you want me to do it,
you can pay me for it!

Yup! that's common practice in in every wqalmart I've ever known. I worked in one as a teenager and they made us do that too.

Stepping on her soap box and screaming....


WALLY WORLD IS KILLING ALL OF US GLOBALLY.

(will cite examples & footnote whn my husband gets home, its his favorite rant de jour)

Its like saying you hate neo-cons, but buy your suits from them cuz its the only place to get a nice cheap red tie. You're still giving the evil basturds your money.

Oh, and if its a cork or hair board, I suggest hammerhead darts, they really set better.

If we're gonna support American Labor and boycot Wal*Mart,
what about specific products?


Should we only buy Anerican made shirts and support the American textile industry?
Yes we should, but are we gonna? Could we, even if we wanted too?
Should we buy only Anerican made electronics, cars, appliances, lumber, produce, (etc etc)
so that we can support American argicilture and Industry?

When you go to that other store, be sure to not by anything that Wal*Mart would sell.
Never buy a shirt that might have been sewn by a 14 year old in China.
Never buy a car that was made in a factory where the average wage is $100 a month.
Forget the fact that this car is actually better built than the American car.


OK so Maybe, just maybe we need to look at this from another perspective?
The issue isn't that these retailers do these things, or sell these products,
the issue is that our government not only allows these practices to continue,
they back up the policy with continuing tax breaks!

Not only is Wal*Mart allowed to do these things and sell these products,
they are encouraged to do even more! To become even more dominant!
Because doing so is a part of the policy of OUR government,
as dictated by the laws thay must operate with in.



You wanna make real change at Wally World?
Change American politics so that we can pass Progressive legislation to control the Big Box store.




Jack, the next time you go looking for darts,
don't ask us anything about darts!
Look what happens when you do.