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Pinget
Friday, 24 February 2006, 9:19 am
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"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

Federal employee oath
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.


How many of us have taken one of these oaths?

I took the third one when I began working at the Pentagon in 1989.
Gadzooks!
Friday, 24 February 2006, 1:59 pm
I took the first one in 1969. Army.
soon2b
Friday, 24 February 2006, 6:33 pm
Yes to 1. and 3. What are you getting at?
Panda
Friday, 24 February 2006, 7:26 pm
I had to take this one:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
sky of mind
Friday, 24 February 2006, 8:36 pm
The only pledge I have ever taken goes like this...



"I pledge alegence to the flag
of the United States of America.
And to the Republic, for which it stands
one nation, with liberty and justice for all!"

But then, I never served, I never worked as a civil servant,
and it was about 45 years ago I spoke this nearly every morning.
(This doesn't include the Boy Scout Pledge)
Pinget
Saturday, 25 February 2006, 12:51 pm
Panda, why did you have to take that one? (Were you a foreign national serving with the US military maybe? a naturalized citizen?)

What I'm getting at is the number of people out there, besides current military, who have sworn at some point to protect the Constitution of the US from all enemies foreign and domestic . If our government turns against us, there's alot of people who might remember having sworn this oath....
sky of mind
Saturday, 25 February 2006, 12:54 pm
QUOTE(Pinget @ Saturday, 25 February 2006, 10:51 am) [snapback]45088[/snapback]

Panda, why did you have to take that one? (Were you a foreign national serving with the US military maybe? a naturalized citizen?)

What I'm getting at is the number of people out there, besides current military, who have sworn at some point to protect the Constitution of the US from all enemies foreign and domestic . If our government turns against us, there's alot of people who might remember having sworn this oath....




I think there's a lot of people, even part of the reason this forum exists,
who are quite willing and actively trying to preserve and protect the constitution.


Personally, I believe the Constitution and it's amendments are the very foundation of America,
and that with out these two aspects in perfect form and health,
America as we know it, ceases to be!
soon2b
Saturday, 25 February 2006, 4:22 pm
I think that we don't fully consider the wording of these oaths when we take them and in ordinary circumstances. In retrospect it becomes very significant that they do not say 'protect this country', 'protect the people', or 'protect the government' but singularly to "protect the Constitution."
yankhadenuf
Saturday, 25 February 2006, 7:31 pm
QUOTE(Pinget @ Saturday, 25 February 2006, 1:51 pm) [snapback]45088[/snapback]

...What I'm getting at is the number of people out there, besides current military, who have sworn at some point to protect the Constitution of the US from all enemies foreign and domestic . If our government turns against us, there's alot of people who might remember having sworn this oath....


Excellent point! I do not know if you've seen me post this before, but there is a retired lawyer, Doug Wallace, who is trying to do something legal about all this with just THE PEOPLE (he is not seeking politicians help, just grassroots legal route). Don't know if he can pull it off, but I give him a lot of credit for trying thumbup.gif :

http://www.wallacevbushlawsuit.com/


Pinget
Saturday, 25 February 2006, 8:08 pm
His website says he gave up as of 2/24/05 because people were not donating to the cause.

Money wins again.
cqsallie
Saturday, 25 February 2006, 9:48 pm
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Friday, 24 February 2006, 8:36 pm) [snapback]45046[/snapback]

The only pledge I have ever taken goes like this...
"I pledge alegence to the flag
of the United States of America.
And to the Republic, for which it stands
one nation, with liberty and justice for all!"

But then, I never served, I never worked as a civil servant,
and it was about 45 years ago I spoke this nearly every morning.
(This doesn't include the Boy Scout Pledge)


And I think that when I was a sophomore in highschool, somebody, like the Knights of Columbus pressured for the inclusion of "Under God." But, in my Catholic school, I recited the pledge without the "under god" clause for about two more years.
Well, if this was the pledge, I never recited it. And, apparently, our nuns and priests were as uninformed as we kids were.... wink.gif Sallie
yankhadenuf
Saturday, 25 February 2006, 9:48 pm
QUOTE(Pinget @ Saturday, 25 February 2006, 9:08 pm) [snapback]45136[/snapback]

His website says he gave up as of 2/24/05 because people were not donating to the cause.

Money wins again.


Darn , and I didn't catch that one!

I went back and took a second look... he didn't exactly give up, he is simply lamenting:

"It is now February 24, 2005 and another 1,500 visits to the website. Only an additional $150.00 has been contributed. THE AVERAGE IS TEN CENTS PER VISIT. At this rate it will take a half million visits to generate the minimum I feel is required to proceed. The lawsuit is on ice and I cannot think of prosecuting it until a $50,000.00reserve is on hand. To do it otherwise would be assured failure. If you want an end to the Bush regime policies you need to contribute now. how many visits have been made to the website by bush people is only conjecture but you can be sure that they are not worried at this rate.



Doug February 24, 2005"

I have donated some since then (I'm a softie for David vs Goliath) , so I guess he is not updating his "diary" , but he has updated his website to be more snazzy and techie ... He may not ever get to the point of going to court with it, but it sure is uplifting to see someone put so much heart , research , and the good ole American college try to challenge the PNAC biggrin.gif
cqsallie
Saturday, 25 February 2006, 10:06 pm
QUOTE(Pinget @ Saturday, 25 February 2006, 8:08 pm) [snapback]45136[/snapback]

His website says he gave up as of 2/24/05 because people were not donating to the cause.

Money wins again.


Well, I emailed his site and asked how much money he needs. Geez! I hope he doesn't mistake me for a young Rothchild....
rcorporon
Tuesday, 28 February 2006, 1:37 am
No, no and no.

In Canada we don't partake in "oathtaking."

Our love for country is just understood.
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