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POAC
John Rossomando
to me

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I was wondering if it would be okay if I put together a Web site, say about Al Gore or Bill Clinton or extremists such as yourself showing your goals line up nicely with those of the Global Communist Movement.

You know support for homosexuality and other forms of sexual decadence have always been the hallmark of Communists, save for Soviet-era Stalinists. The Gay Rights Movement was founded by Communists. Feminism and Environmentalism were innovated by Communists.

I doubt you would disagree with anything on this Web site.
http://www.cpusa.org

Workers of the World Unite, right bud.


my response:

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You could certainly call us communists, but it would make you look
pretty foolish, considering our support for capitalism and the
free-market economy. But you are free to look as foolish as you wish.





John to me:

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No more foolish than yourself. There are few differences between your ideology and that expressed by the CPUSA. Economics aside. I scarcely doubt you understand just how similar you are.



Project for the Old American Century
to John

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And just what is our ideology?





John Rossomando
to me

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All I can say is I am a Rightist who reads all of the Marxist Web sites on the Net, and I see few ideological differences between the the Democratic Party as and contemporary Neo-Marxism. If you did your homework, you would find out the largest anti-war organizations in America were founded by Communists, and liberals who follow them are nothing but what Lenin called "useful idiots."

What do you think about this ditty about MoveOn.org:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030322140043/.../www.cpusa.org/


and then he sent...

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Perhaps you might like posting the goals of the Communists from a 1960s HUAC hearing on your site. It's about as convincing as your neo-Marxist rant. Those of you on the Left have your own form of fascism called political correctness. Gay pride parades and the actions of gay rights activists remind me of the tactics used by the Nazis in the 1920s. They squelch dissent, label it as hate speech, etc. Don't forget the Gay rights movement was founded by communists. I would argue it still is a communist front. Harry Hay anyone. http://www.workers.org/lavender-red/

Perhaps if you think Bush is a Fascists, compare his beliefs to what the REAL out of the closet fascists have to say: http://www.geocities.com/amfascpty/fpoa1.htm

I could say people like yourself are fascistic too because you demonize traditionalist Christians and Jews as the enemies of freedom. Freedom by your definition being libertinism. Marxists believe in dogmatic equality of outcomes, not just equality of opportunity. Since the collapse of the USSR, Communists have adopted the neoMarxist ideas of the Frankfurt School that replaces economics with sociology, and violent revolution with passive Gramscian revolution. If you don't know this you prove your ignorance.
Communist Goals (1963)

Documention below

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

I might add the Fascists advocated state control of industry, not unlike the Communists. Fascism opposed the free enterprise system. Someone like Pat Buchanan is much more fascistic on economics than GW Bush. Get your facts straight. http://web.archive.org/web/20020605040703/....org/wewant.htm

Fascists were anti-Capitalists idiot.

Calling enemies of the Left is nothing but an old Communist trick dating back to the 1930s .





to which I responded...

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John,

Respectfully you lack a basic understanding of political science and
exhibit an unhealthy fascination with homosexuality. I think you
should probably explore both fields to become a better informed and
well-rounded person. Don't forget to use lube.

Since our organization disagrees with most everything on your 1963 red
scare list, I guess it's safe to assume that we are not communists.
It's correct to say we are an independent alternative media
organization that has a website that serves as an online aggregator of
news stories that focus on political and corporate corruption that
attracts a small amount of hatemail from hateful people who lack a
basic understanding of the topics that make them so hateful.

Since nearly everyone across the political spectrum from the far left,
center, and moderate wing of the right all oppose the war, it's
impossible to guess someones stance on the war unless they are for it.
Which would be the extreme right and their useful idiots who are so
filled with hate and fear that they yearn to obey and follow a leader
who will protect them from a threat that either does not exist or died
out in the 60's.

Hammers, sickles, and buttsex,

Tj Templeton
sky of mind
OK TJ, now balance this out with a couple of examples of well informed site supporters!


Edit to add....


The more they whine, the more sure you are you're hitting a nerve!


By the way, would anyone please care to list all of Bush's success stories?
I don't mean during his presidency, but his whole life!
POAC
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Friday, 17 February 2006, 1:17 pm) [snapback]44120[/snapback]

OK TJ, now balance this out with a couple of examples of well informed site supporters!
Edit to add....
The more they whine, the more sure you are you're hitting a nerve!
By the way, would anyone please care to list all of Bush's success stories?
I don't mean during his presidency, but his whole life!


I have 881 emails to go through in my main account, i'll see what i can pull out in regards to supporters. But really, I get the best fan mail in the PO box.

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By the way, would anyone please care to list all of Bush's success stories?


He came in 2nd place in the 1979 cocaine snort-off competition

leftinrightsouth
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Don't forget to use lube.


Tj, you had me nearly falling out of my chair laughing, I am sure I have now confirmed everyone's belief on this floor that I am a raving lunatic! (Thanks for the help!!)


HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I had no idea you got so many emails. I guess I will quit crying when it takes you a day or two to respond to me from now on.
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POAC
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I had no idea you got so many emails. I guess I will quit crying when it takes you a day or two to respond to me from now on.


I'm usually on top of the priority ones, and you are flagged as a priority. I have 13,541 in my news story account, but very little of that is actual correspondence. I try to take a weekend out of each month to respond, but haven't been able to yet this month.
MasterMind
Going by his style of reasoning, whould Communism be a front for homosexuals, since they have been around lot long and have intergrated far more into our culture?


Also, he accused us of being Communist and then Fascist, now correct me if I am wrong, but I thought they are like polar opposites on the political scale of temperment. Right?
leftinrightsouth
QUOTE(MasterMind @ Friday, 17 February 2006, 1:27 pm) [snapback]44128[/snapback]

Going by his style of reasoning, whould Communism be a front for homosexuals, since they have been around lot long and have intergrated far more into our culture?
Also, he accused us of being Communist and then Fascist, now correct me if I am wrong, but I thought they are like polar opposites on the political scale of temperment. Right?



Common problem among people who spout (for lack of a better word) political dogma. I can remember when I learned Hitler wasn't a communist. I was shocked. My whole life people would talk about Commies and Hilter as if they were one and the same.
sky of mind
QUOTE(leftinrightsouth @ Friday, 17 February 2006, 11:29 am) [snapback]44129[/snapback]

Common problem among people who spout (for lack of a better word) political dogma. I can remember when I learned Hitler wasn't a communist. I was shocked. My whole life people would talk about Commies and Hilter as if they were one and the same.




That's funny, cause I guess I grew up watching all the usual TV war shows,
but there was never any question in my mind that Hitlker was a fascist,
even if I didn't know what a fascist was!
leftinrightsouth
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Friday, 17 February 2006, 1:50 pm) [snapback]44131[/snapback]

That's funny, cause I guess I grew up watching all the usual TV war shows,
but there was never any question in my mind that Hitlker was a fascist,
even if I didn't know what a fascist was!


I didn't grow up watching any kind of war shows. I was a child in the late 70s early 80s and if I did watch tv, it was a cartoon of the care bear nature. But I have heard MANY, MANY people talk about Hitler and this was at a time when we actually did drills in school where we were taught to get under our desks and put our arms over our heads in case of a nuclear attack. Communism was seen as the end all be all of evil and often times I would have teachers talk about communism and Hilter in the same breath, NEVER diferentiating between the vastly different political ideologies of the two. While I can guess that mostly this was because the two were just seen to be equally as bad, but I was truly surprised when I first learned hitler was a fascist and not a communist.
sky of mind
QUOTE(leftinrightsouth @ Friday, 17 February 2006, 12:15 pm) [snapback]44135[/snapback]

I didn't grow up watching any kind of war shows. I was a child in the late 70s early 80s and if I did watch tv, it was a cartoon of the care bear nature. But I have heard MANY, MANY people talk about Hitler and this was at a time when we actually did drills in school where we were taught to get under our desks and put our arms over our heads in case of a nuclear attack. Communism was seen as the end all be all of evil and often times I would have teachers talk about communism and Hilter in the same breath, NEVER diferentiating between the vastly different political ideologies of the two. While I can guess that mostly this was because the two were just seen to be equally as bad, but I was truly surprised when I first learned hitler was a fascist and not a communist.




I grew up with Rat Patrol and Combat,
you grew up with Love boat and Fantasy Island!



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soon2b
These letters are great TJ, you should at least post one a day.
POAC
he wrote back:

John Rossomando
to me

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Maybe, you I should refer to your diatribes against Christianity as Neo-Stalinist. I sort of recall Stalin saying similar things about Christianity to what you have written on your site.


Project for the Old American Century
to John

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can you give me an example of that from my site?



I'm still waiting...
rcorporon
What a tool.

It always shocks me how people try to slam communism without ever reading what Marx/Lenin/Trotsky wrote.

His use of the term "useful idiots" was incorrect as well.
POAC
The hatemails I read are even funnier if you read them out loud with an Archie Bunker voice.
leftinrightsouth
It never occured to me that you even got hatemail (yes, big DUH). But I think the fact that you do receive it is a good sign. YOu have threatened something. smile.gif You rock, TJ.
POAC
QUOTE(leftinrightsouth @ Saturday, 18 February 2006, 9:11 am) [snapback]44185[/snapback]

It never occured to me that you even got hatemail (yes, big DUH). But I think the fact that you do receive it is a good sign. YOu have threatened something. smile.gif You rock, TJ.


Thanks! Yeah, I'm certainly makng some of the apologists uncomfortable. My favorite emails are from true conservative republicans who thank me for pointing out the fascism that has overtaken their party.
sky of mind
Think of how uncomfortable you would be if you got no mail at all?


Thank you mail is nice and all, but doesn't offer much more than a pat on the back.

The hate mail gives you something you can chew on,
and gives you a real weather gage for what is going on out there!





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Smart Conservatives know exactly what it is!



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