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Jodybear
Y'shenko's disfigurement by this dioxin poisoning simply shows how far people who hold power will go to hold that power. This man has been poisoned with a cancer causing agent. For the moment he may live, but what does he future hold now?

The irony that the Ukranians are expressing outrage over a stolen eleciton and that Bush is supporting their cries of outrage really disturbs me. The unsettling idea that Bush stole the U.S. election has been brewing behind the scenes since Nov. 4th. That he adds this hypocrisy to his numerous sins really abhors me.

The Blackwells and Katherine Harrises of this world who would make a fellowship with this man to usurp the power the U.S. holds in this world, a special place in hell needs to be reserved for them.

What I don't understand is if this is as wide-spread as we believe, why can't it be proven?
Wren
Bush is only crying foul because the man he wanted to win is being challenged and the election had U.S. money involved.

U.S. Money Helped Opposition in Ukraine
tamara
QUOTE (Wren @ Saturday, 11 December 2004, 9:11 pm)
Bush is only crying foul because the man he wanted to win is being challenged and the election had U.S. money involved.

U.S. Money Helped Opposition in Ukraine

damn straight-

bush doesn't care who wins... he poisoned one- and has bought the other.

the hypocrisy knows no bounds.


-t-
BinaBecker
I smell a rat.

Do you suppose Bush funneled all that money in, and expressed all that public support, so as to disguise his own election theft back home?

'Bina.
happymisanthropy
Why would you use a dioxin to poison someone? Doesn't make sense. The KGB has assassinated people with ricin and (I believe) VX before. The wet-work boys know these work. So do cyanide and a few other tried-and-true choices.

Or, they could choose something new and exciting. Something that is rapidly broken down by the body and wouldn't show up in a toxicology screening.

Dioxins are neither of those. They are "persistant bioaccumulative" chemicals -- exactly the opposite of a fast-acting, rapidly disappearing compound. It's not going anywhere.

The only possible advantage is that it might not show symptoms immediately, allowing the poisoner time to hide his tracks (or leave the country). I don't think there's much publicly available data about the acute toxicity of dioxins. Of course, chemical weapons researchers probably know more but aren't talking.

Also, the target is still alive. Now, who comes to mind when you think of botched assassinations? tinfoilhat.gif
BinaBecker
Uh...Fidel Castro? tongue.gif

Seriously: I think they may have merely hoped to disable/disfigure him so that the other side would somehow be repulsed into not electing him. And in any case, dioxin poisoning has lasting effects. He might become too incapacitated over time to govern; that would throw the country into turmoil and give the Russian-backed oligarchs another seductive excuse to promise "stability" in the form of dictatorship. A more perfect form of sneak-thievery I find hard to imagine.

'Bina.
tamara
it occurs to me that yeltsin had a similar appearance, he started looking funky too- then everybody said he was an alcoholic... remember?

not saying he was poisoned, just noticing the similarities in the tactic utilized by the opposition (he's crazy, he's an alcoholic, he's unstable...)


-t-
Dr. Left
QUOTE (tamara @ Monday, 13 December 2004, 6:34 am)
it occurs to me that yeltsin had a similar appearance, he started looking funky too- then everybody said he was an alcoholic... remember?

not saying he was poisoned, just noticing the similarities in the tactic utilized by the opposition (he's crazy, he's an alcoholic, he's unstable...)


-t-

Yup....

'Doc
BinaBecker
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'Bina.
Count Jeronimo
QUOTE (tamara @ Monday, 13 December 2004, 6:34 am)
it occurs to me that yeltsin had a similar appearance, he started looking funky too- then everybody said he was an alcoholic... remember?

not saying he was poisoned, just noticing the similarities in the tactic utilized by the opposition (he's crazy, he's an alcoholic, he's unstable...)


-t-

Yeltsin was well known for hitting the bottle; only difference was, once he became a head of state the drinking became news. laugh.gif
Dr. Left
QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Tuesday, 14 December 2004, 7:41 pm)
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'Bina.

Yeah that passed through my mind, if I was Kerry I wouldn't drink anything offered by Karl....

Doc
tamara
QUOTE (Count Jeronimo @ Tuesday, 14 December 2004, 10:03 pm)
QUOTE (tamara @ Monday, 13 December 2004, 6:34 am)
it occurs to me that yeltsin had a similar appearance, he started looking funky too- then everybody said he was an alcoholic...  remember?

not saying he was poisoned, just noticing the similarities in the tactic utilized by the opposition (he's crazy, he's an alcoholic, he's unstable...)


-t-

Yeltsin was well known for hitting the bottle; only difference was, once he became a head of state the drinking became news. laugh.gif

sounds like ANOTHER head of state we know, huh?

LOL

-t-
LionTamerX
QUOTE (tamara @ Wednesday, 15 December 2004, 6:55 am)
QUOTE (Count Jeronimo @ Tuesday, 14 December 2004, 10:03 pm)
QUOTE (tamara @ Monday, 13 December 2004, 6:34 am)
it occurs to me that yeltsin had a similar appearance, he started looking funky too- then everybody said he was an alcoholic...  remember?

not saying he was poisoned, just noticing the similarities in the tactic utilized by the opposition (he's crazy, he's an alcoholic, he's unstable...)


-t-

Yeltsin was well known for hitting the bottle; only difference was, once he became a head of state the drinking became news. laugh.gif

sounds like ANOTHER head of state we know, huh?

LOL

-t-

Are you implying that the "W" stands for wet brain ? I sure hope you are. 'Cause if you ain't, I is.

LOL
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Dr. Left
QUOTE (tamara @ Wednesday, 15 December 2004, 6:55 am)
QUOTE (Count Jeronimo @ Tuesday, 14 December 2004, 10:03 pm)
QUOTE (tamara @ Monday, 13 December 2004, 6:34 am)
it occurs to me that yeltsin had a similar appearance, he started looking funky too- then everybody said he was an alcoholic...  remember?

not saying he was poisoned, just noticing the similarities in the tactic utilized by the opposition (he's crazy, he's an alcoholic, he's unstable...)


-t-

Yeltsin was well known for hitting the bottle; only difference was, once he became a head of state the drinking became news. laugh.gif

sounds like ANOTHER head of state we know, huh?

LOL

-t-

Yup...

Doc
BinaBecker
The W stands for Whattamaroon! laugh.gif

'Bina.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Wednesday, 15 December 2004, 9:55 am)
The W stands for Whattamaroon! laugh.gif

'Bina.

Oh yeah that fits....

'Doc
happymisanthropy
AP Article

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LONDON, England (AP) -- Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned by TCDD, the most harmful known form of dioxin and a key ingredient of the Vietnam-era herbicide Agent Orange, the scientist who conducted tests on the presidential candidate's blood said.

Abraham Brouwer, professor of environmental toxicology at the Free University in Amsterdam, told The Associated Press that the dioxin was TCDD, chemically known as tetrachlorodibenzoparadioxin.

Brouwer carried out tests on blood samples sent by Yushchenko's doctors in Vienna.

TCDD was a key ingredient of Agent Orange, a herbicide blamed for myriad health problems in U.S. veterans of the Vietnam War and local villagers.

It is produced inadvertently during manufacturing processes that use chlorine, such as paper and pulp bleaching. It is also given off by incinerator fumes. There is no commercial production of TCDD.

The tests also confirmed that Yushchenko's blood contained 100,000 units of dioxin, the second highest concentration ever recorded.

"It is a single chemical, not a mix," said Brouwer said. "This tells us ... there is no way it occurred naturally, because it is so pure."

"There were some small signals in the test that may tell us something about where it was ... made," he added.

Yushchenko, who faces Kremlin-backed Viktor Yanukovych in a repeat presidential election on December 26, fell ill after having dinner with Ukrainian Security Service chief Ihor Smeshko and his deputy Volodymyr Satsyuk on September 5.

Yushchenko reported having a headache about three hours after the dinner, and by the next day had developed an acute stomach ache. He later developed pancreatitis and gastrointestinal pain, as well as a severe backache.

About three weeks after his first symptoms, Yushchenko developed severe facial disfiguring which is the hallmark of dioxin poisoning.

Yushchenko told the AP on Thursday that he is convinced he was poisoned at the September 5 dinner.

"It was a project of political murder, prepared by the authorities," Yushchenko said.

The dinner "was the only place where no one from my team was present and no precautions were taken concerning the food," he said.

Physicians in Vienna, where the opposition candidate has been treated for the illness, confirmed last weekend that he was poisoned.
happymisanthropy
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BinaBecker
Egads! eek.gif

So...this all begs the questions:

Since this was a single chemical, not a mix, we can safely say it's not from consuming polluted fish. Where did it come from, then?

And since this chemical is not commercially produced, it had to have been the product of a secret lab. Whose?

And finally: Who slipped the mickey in Yushchenko's drink?

'Bina.
tamara
QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Saturday, 18 December 2004, 12:12 pm)
Egads! eek.gif

So...this all begs the questions:

Since this was a single chemical, not a mix, we can safely say it's not from consuming polluted fish. Where did it come from, then?

And since this chemical is not commercially produced, it had to have been the product of a secret lab. Whose?

And finally: Who slipped the mickey in Yushchenko's drink?

'Bina.

i'm guessing some combination of three letters of the alphabet...


hmmmmm.... (holding fingers to head and attempting to be psychic, eyes closed....)

i see a C, no c an i cee, ah.... a C? i see a C?


laugh.gif


-t-
Dr. Left
QUOTE (tamara @ Saturday, 18 December 2004, 3:46 pm)
QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Saturday, 18 December 2004, 12:12 pm)
Egads! eek.gif

So...this all begs the questions:

Since this was a single chemical, not a mix, we can safely say it's not from consuming polluted fish. Where did it come from, then?

And since this chemical is not commercially produced, it had to have been the product of a secret lab. Whose?

And finally: Who slipped the mickey in Yushchenko's drink?

'Bina.

i'm guessing some combination of three letters of the alphabet...


hmmmmm.... (holding fingers to head and attempting to be psychic, eyes closed....)

i see a C, no c an i cee, ah.... a C? i see a C?


laugh.gif


-t-

Love it -t-...

Doc
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