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Dr. Left
This was in this morning's CNN report, and I say so WHAT, and the cheers by the soldiers were planted to, give me a f*cking break....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/12/09/...rter/index.html


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rexateyfor
Who cares if they were planted no one cares that Bush Co plants the press with acceptable questions.

Reguardless of their origin they were important questiosn that needed to be asked. This relentless spin is starting to make me dizzy
Dr. Left
QUOTE (rexateyfor @ Friday, 10 December 2004, 7:41 am)
Who cares if they were planted no one cares that Bush Co plants the press with acceptable questions.

Reguardless of their origin they were important questiosn that needed to be asked. This relentless spin is starting to make me dizzy

That's right, and it shows that if this is true that they were screening questions that reporters ask and that questions wasn't acceptable, so good on that reporter. It's not how the question was asked it's the fact that it was asked and Rumsfields scummy answer.... thumbup.gif


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BillySHEARS
QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Friday, 10 December 2004, 9:31 am)
and the cheers by the soldiers were planted to, give me a f*cking break....


'Doc

Excellent point Doc! thumbup.gif

~Shears
Dr. Left
QUOTE (BillySHEARS @ Friday, 10 December 2004, 9:02 am)
QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Friday, 10 December 2004, 9:31 am)
and the cheers by the soldiers were planted to, give me a f*cking break....


'Doc

Excellent point Doc! thumbup.gif

~Shears

Thanks Billy....

'Doc
Dr. Left
This just in and again, who the hell cares, whether the readers were told it was an embedded question or not, listen to those cheers in the back ground when that question is asked, damn I hate the right I really do....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/10/chattanoo...r.ap/index.html


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Wren
Isn't it amazing how quickly the corporate media finds an irrelevant point to run interference for the Bush administration? It's not like the soldier that asked the question did so against his will or anything. The press is going from lap dog to guard dog status.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (Wren @ Friday, 10 December 2004, 1:22 pm)
Isn't it amazing how quickly the corporate media finds an irrelevant point to run interference for the Bush administration? It's not like the soldier that asked the question did so against his will or anything. The press is going from lap dog to guard dog status.

Yup, it'd unbielvable. They are trying to make the question irrevelant, even the response by the other soldiers, and they gloss over Rummy's answer, the media is becomng more and more the state media, and I hate it I really do.
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BinaBecker
QUOTE (Wren @ Friday, 10 December 2004, 4:22 pm)
Isn't it amazing how quickly the corporate media finds an irrelevant point to run interference for the Bush administration? It's not like the soldier that asked the question did so against his will or anything. The press is going from lap dog to guard dog status.

Moreover, the OTHER soldiers came in with questions of their own. Who cares who got the ball rollling? The questions must have been in there, just waiting to be asked. If a soldier got some coaching in question-asking from a reporter (and reporters are PROs at asking questions; it's their JOB), so what? If he didn't WANT to ask that question he would not have done so, as you say. If he really were just another sheep, he'd have asked a softball sheep question. Or not asked any questions at all.

And Rummy's answer, which makes him look as sleazy and horrible as he actually is, well...that just speaks for itself. He doesn't care about the troops. He doesn't support them worth a DAMN. If he did, he wouldn't blather bullshit about "the army you've got". He'd open those beady little eyes of his wide, have the decency to look shocked, and promise to act, PRONTO. The fact that he didn't, that he made excuses for the inexcusable, just tells you that you're dealing with a war criminal here. evil.gif

'Bina.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Friday, 10 December 2004, 1:51 pm)
Moreover, the OTHER soldiers came in with questions of their own. Who cares who got the ball rollling? The questions must have been in there, just waiting to be asked. If a soldier got some coaching in question-asking from a reporter (and reporters are PROs at asking questions; it's their JOB), so what? If he didn't WANT to ask that question he would not have done so, as you say. If he really were just another sheep, he'd have asked a softball sheep question. Or not asked any questions at all.

And Rummy's answer, which makes him look as sleazy and horrible as he actually is, well...that just speaks for itself. He doesn't care about the troops. He doesn't support them worth a DAMN. If he did, he wouldn't blather bullshit about "the army you've got". He'd open those beady little eyes of his wide, have the decency to look shocked, and promise to act, PRONTO. The fact that he didn't, that he made excuses for the inexcusable, just tells you that you're dealing with a war criminal here. evil.gif

'Bina.

That's right Bina, had this been 10 years ago or better, they would have said they would look right into it, but because of a compliant media, they have no fear, they know that the media will cover for them, so they through out half ass answers with no fear of being held accountable.

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happymisanthropy
"You go to war with the army you have, not...the army you [want]. The reason we aren't taking care of you is that you aren't the army I wanted. You guys ask too many questions."

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BinaBecker
That's what he said. What he MEANT was, "Don't ask questions, dummy. Just go die."

'Bina.
nvxplorer
QUOTE (happymisanthropy @ Friday, 10 December 2004, 10:56 pm)
"You go to war with the army you have, not...the army you [want].

If this were true, there would be no stop-gap nor civilians being called back to active duty.

The army you have, my ass.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (nvxplorer @ Tuesday, 14 December 2004, 12:27 pm)
If this were true, there would be no stop-gap nor civilians being called back to active duty.

The army you have, my ass.

Yup, not to mention this "war" is nothing but a quest for control of oil, there were no WMDs, no threat to this country, it was OIL...OIL...OIL... evil.gif

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rooby roo
Oil and no bid contracts and munitions and...

Defense contractors that were about to go belly up in early 2001 are thriving now.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (rooby roo @ Thursday, 16 December 2004, 4:24 am)
Oil and no bid contracts and munitions and...

Defense contractors that were about to go belly up in early 2001 are thriving now.

Yup, isn't unbridled capitalism grand..... sad.gif

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nvxplorer
Rumsfeld is taking the Longshanks approach. (King Longshanks from the movie Braveheart)

Quotes:

Longshanks: Not the archers. My scouts tell me their archers are miles away and no threat to us. Arrows cost money. Use up the Irish. Their dead cost nothing.

Longshanks: Archers.
English Commander: Beg your pardon sire, but won't we hit our own troops?
Longshanks: Yes... but we'll hit theirs as well. We have reserves... attack.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (nvxplorer @ Thursday, 16 December 2004, 12:09 pm)
Rumsfeld is taking the Longshanks approach. (King Longshanks from the movie Braveheart)

Quotes:

Longshanks: Not the archers. My scouts tell me their archers are miles away and no threat to us. Arrows cost money. Use up the Irish. Their dead cost nothing.

Longshanks: Archers.
English Commander: Beg your pardon sire, but won't we hit our own troops?
Longshanks: Yes... but we'll hit theirs as well. We have reserves... attack.

Oh yeah I remember that, damn it fits perfectly...

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bgruagach
What I want to know, is where is the public outrage over the way White House briefings are done? It's common knowledge that Bush and his gang won't answer the hard questions there -- it's all about photo opportunities and putting on the appearance of being accessible to the press (and therefore to the public) without actually having to answer any real questions.

In Canada, we have a tradition in our federal government called Question Period. They have this funny little tradition in the UK too. Our duly elected government is forced to field and actually respond to questions from the opposition (you know them -- the politicians who were also elected but aren't part of the majority party.) If a question isn't answered satisfactorily, the darn question has a tendency to come up again and again and again. And if the specific politician (i.e. the one responsible for the particular topic, such as the finance minister etc.) isn't available to answer, then the next in the chain of command (or even the Prime Minister) has to answer. Questions require answers and must be given. Those in power must be answerable to the hard questions and can't hide behind flimsy excuses. That's what being accountable is all about.

I understand that in the US the media is supposed to play the role of public watchdog and defender, asking the hard questions the way the opposition does in Canada and the UK during question period. Since the White House only appears to answer questions on its own timetable, and clearly controls what questions are even allowed to be asked, how can this be anything close to real accountability?

Where is the outrage over the defanged watchdogs in the US?
Dr. Left
QUOTE (bgruagach @ Thursday, 16 December 2004, 1:05 pm)
What I want to know, is where is the public outrage over the way White House briefings are done? It's common knowledge that Bush and his gang won't answer the hard questions there -- it's all about photo opportunities and putting on the appearance of being accessible to the press (and therefore to the public) without actually having to answer any real questions.

In Canada, we have a tradition in our federal government called Question Period. They have this funny little tradition in the UK too. Our duly elected government is forced to field and actually respond to questions from the opposition (you know them -- the politicians who were also elected but aren't part of the majority party.) If a question isn't answered satisfactorily, the darn question has a tendency to come up again and again and again. And if the specific politician (i.e. the one responsible for the particular topic, such as the finance minister etc.) isn't available to answer, then the next in the chain of command (or even the Prime Minister) has to answer. Questions require answers and must be given. Those in power must be answerable to the hard questions and can't hide behind flimsy excuses. That's what being accountable is all about.

I understand that in the US the media is supposed to play the role of public watchdog and defender, asking the hard questions the way the opposition does in Canada and the UK during question period. Since the White House only appears to answer questions on its own timetable, and clearly controls what questions are even allowed to be asked, how can this be anything close to real accountability?

Where is the outrage over the defanged watchdogs in the US?

Since Corporate media has taken over the media, and they have alot of business on the table in congress, they've stopped being the watch dog and have become the lapdog for the Republicans and Bush. Remember three years ago when CNN asked the admnistration what it could do to make the media more balanced...and we all know what that was, ease up on Shrub and the Republicans.

The Media Corporations have to be broken up and made compretive again, otherwise all is lost.

'Doc
nvxplorer
You answered your own question, bgruagach.

American media are an oligarchy - all supportive of Bush. FoxNews is obviously pro-Bush, but NBC is owned by GE, the 9th largest defense contractor in the world. The media has become so consolidated that five corporations control nearly every venue, from TV to radio to newspapers to magazines to books.

News has been replaced by propoganda, distraction, and entertainment. There is plenty of outrage, but it's in the media's best interest to cover Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant and Scott Peterson.
Prussian_Blue
QUOTE (nvxplorer @ Thursday, 16 December 2004, 1:17 pm)
You answered your own question, bgruagach.

American media are an oligarchy - all supportive of Bush. FoxNews is obviously pro-Bush, but NBC is owned by GE, the 9th largest defense contractor in the world. The media has become so consolidated that five corporations control nearly every venue, from TV to radio to newspapers to magazines to books.

News has been replaced by propoganda, distraction, and entertainment. There is plenty of outrage, but it's in the media's best interest to cover Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant and Scott Peterson.

...and if there was really a "liberal media," as the Repugnants like to blather about non-stop, the coverage would be very, very different than what we're getting now from the BushCo apologists that own the media outlets.

Damn, I'm fed up with right wingers accusing everyone who doesn't toe the party line of being a tin-foil-hat wearer... wall.gif

P_B
Prussian_Blue
BTW, Bina... I love the photo in your signature... thumbup.gif

P_B
Dr. Left
QUOTE (Prussian_Blue @ Thursday, 16 December 2004, 1:46 pm)
QUOTE (nvxplorer @ Thursday, 16 December 2004, 1:17 pm)
You answered your own question, bgruagach.

American media are an oligarchy - all supportive of Bush. FoxNews is obviously pro-Bush, but NBC is owned by GE, the 9th largest defense contractor in the world. The media has become so consolidated that five corporations control nearly every venue, from TV to radio to newspapers to magazines to books.

News has been replaced by propoganda, distraction, and entertainment. There is plenty of outrage, but it's in the media's best interest to cover Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant and Scott Peterson.

...and if there was really a "liberal media," as the Repugnants like to blather about non-stop, the coverage would be very, very different than what we're getting now from the BushCo apologists that own the media outlets.

Damn, I'm fed up with right wingers accusing everyone who doesn't toe the party line of being a tin-foil-hat wearer... wall.gif

P_B

Yup, they squeal like a pig when someone doesn't toe the mark and scream the Liberal media this and that...damn I'm sick of it too. There is no real libeal media to speak of and hasn't been since the 60's.

'Doc
BinaBecker
BTW, for those who wonder: Canadian Question Periods are televised, too. Have been for longer than I can remember. Some of them turn into downright shouting matches, and the cameras are there to catch it all. It can be fun when that happens, especially when the highlights appear on the late night news... laugh.gif

Funnily, though, no one, even the furthest right-wing nuts, complains of the supposed "liberal media". The neutrality of everyone, from the Prime Minister on down, being caught on tape during QP, regardless of partisan affiliation, seems to have the odd effect of actually convincing them that the media is neither this nor that but both and then some, and sometimes, neither!

And of course, some of them forget the cameras are rolling sometimes, and when that happens, blue language occasionally flies. laugh.gif

'Bina.

PS to PB: Thanks--check the Gallery. I've pinned a topic full of sig-appropriate pictures that people can use, courtesy of Bartcop.com, the Freeway Blogger, and other good reliable sites. The list of pics is growing, too, as I find things to add to it. The one I've got here is in there too. Just hold down the control key (or right-click on your mouse) and click on the pic you want, then chose "Copy Image Location" from the menu and paste it into your sig!
Dr. Left
QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Thursday, 16 December 2004, 2:45 pm)
BTW, for those who wonder: Canadian Question Periods are televised, too. Have been for longer than I can remember. Some of them turn into downright shouting matches, and the cameras are there to catch it all. It can be fun when that happens, especially when the highlights appear on the late night news... laugh.gif

Funnily, though, no one, even the furthest right-wing nuts, complains of the supposed "liberal media". The neutrality of everyone, from the Prime Minister on down, being caught on tape during QP, regardless of partisan affiliation, seems to have the odd effect of actually convincing them that the media is neither this nor that but both and then some, and sometimes, neither!

And of course, some of them forget the cameras are rolling sometimes, and when that happens, blue language occasionally flies. laugh.gif

'Bina.

PS to PB: Thanks--check the Gallery. I've pinned a topic full of sig-appropriate pictures that people can use, courtesy of Bartcop.com, the Freeway Blogger, and other good reliable sites. The list of pics is growing, too, as I find things to add to it. The one I've got here is in there too. Just hold down the control key (or right-click on your mouse) and click on the pic you want, then chose "Copy Image Location" from the menu and paste it into your sig!

I love Canada Bina, I love it...we used to have freedom like that too, before Bush....

'Doc
BinaBecker
Okay--the truth is now out. The Right, as usual, got it WRONG. Check this out!

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1000739870

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In his first public account of last week's controversy, Spc. Thomas Wilson says that he came up with the now famous armor question for Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld on his own, without the help of oft-criticized reporter Edward Lee Pitts. And he adds, "If this is my 15 minutes of fame, I hope it saves a life."

The account appears in next week's edition of Time magazine.

Wilson, who serves with Tennessee's 278th Regiment in the National Guard, tells Time that he befriended Pitts, an embed for the Chattanooga Times Free Press, at California's Fort Irwin, where his unit trained. Later, in Kuwait, after Pitts learned that only soldiers could ask questions at the upcoming town hall meeting with Rumsfeld in Kuwait, he urged Wilson to come up with some "intelligent questions."

After his convoy arrived at Camp Arijan in Kuwait, Wilson found hundreds of fully armored vehicles promised to another unit months down the road. Wilson says he asked if the 278th could use them in the meantime, and was told no. That inspired his question about the shortage of armor, which he showed to Pitts.

The reporter, far from being the protagonist, suggested that he find "a less brash way of asking the question," but Wilson "told him no, that I wanted to make my point very clear."

Wilson says he also came up with three alternate questions on his own.


The Time account continues: "As for Rumsfeld's brusque response -- that even a fully armored vehicle 'can be blown up' -- Wilson says, 'Personally, I didn't like that answer.'"

But he added, "I hope I didn't do any damage to Secretary Rumsfeld."

Following the meeting, Wilson told Rumsfeld he did not intend to put him "on the spot" or show disrespect, and the two shook hands. Most soldiers were "overwhelmingly positive" afterward, Wilson says, but one officer suggested he should have asked the question in a more "proper forum."

Wilson says he replied: "What would the proper forum be?" He adds: "If it costs me my career to save another soldier, I'll give it."



So, to summarize: That soldier wasn't coached to ask this question. He did it on his own, and the reporter actually tried to dissuade him!

Hoooooboy. Did the Pigman and his noise machine cronies EVER fuck this story up!

Do you think they'll apologize to those they misled with this??? evil.gif

'Bina.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Tuesday, 21 December 2004, 6:12 pm)
Okay--the truth is now out. The Right, as usual, got it WRONG. Check this out!

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1000739870

QUOTE
In his first public account of last week's controversy, Spc. Thomas Wilson says that he came up with the now famous armor question for Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld on his own, without the help of oft-criticized reporter Edward Lee Pitts. And he adds, "If this is my 15 minutes of fame, I hope it saves a life."

The account appears in next week's edition of Time magazine.

Wilson, who serves with Tennessee's 278th Regiment in the National Guard, tells Time that he befriended Pitts, an embed for the Chattanooga Times Free Press, at California's Fort Irwin, where his unit trained. Later, in Kuwait, after Pitts learned that only soldiers could ask questions at the upcoming town hall meeting with Rumsfeld in Kuwait, he urged Wilson to come up with some "intelligent questions."

After his convoy arrived at Camp Arijan in Kuwait, Wilson found hundreds of fully armored vehicles promised to another unit months down the road. Wilson says he asked if the 278th could use them in the meantime, and was told no. That inspired his question about the shortage of armor, which he showed to Pitts.

The reporter, far from being the protagonist, suggested that he find "a less brash way of asking the question," but Wilson "told him no, that I wanted to make my point very clear."

Wilson says he also came up with three alternate questions on his own.


The Time account continues: "As for Rumsfeld's brusque response -- that even a fully armored vehicle 'can be blown up' -- Wilson says, 'Personally, I didn't like that answer.'"

But he added, "I hope I didn't do any damage to Secretary Rumsfeld."

Following the meeting, Wilson told Rumsfeld he did not intend to put him "on the spot" or show disrespect, and the two shook hands. Most soldiers were "overwhelmingly positive" afterward, Wilson says, but one officer suggested he should have asked the question in a more "proper forum."

Wilson says he replied: "What would the proper forum be?" He adds: "If it costs me my career to save another soldier, I'll give it."



So, to summarize: That soldier wasn't coached to ask this question. He did it on his own, and the reporter actually tried to dissuade him!

Hoooooboy. Did the Pigman and his noise machine cronies EVER fuck this story up!

Do you think they'll apologize to those they misled with this??? evil.gif

'Bina.

Apologize....you got to be kidding..... laugh.gif

'Doc
BinaBecker
Yeah, Doc, you're right--what was I thinking? It's their JOB to mislead people with bullshit propaganda! Anything that makes the administration look good and everyone else look bad, is kosher in their twisted little corner of the universe... rolleyes.gif

'Bina.
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