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Communist, I don’t need a test to tell me that.

Yay, now we've got three on the board.

I am undefinable. Don't try to place me in one of your categories. At different times I may be any of the above or none of the above.

That's nice.

I am mostly a socialist. But I reserve the right to be a hypocrate at my own lesuire.

Commie to the bone.

Turns out I'm a Liberal Democrat. just as left as Gandi but another notch toward Anarchism.

Dear old Dad's spirit must be having another seizure.

You can remove Libertarian from the list, as they no longer exist, if they ever did. Almost every wingnut you meet on the internet denies that he/she is a Republican and claims to be a Libertarian. Yet, the Libertarian party usually gets about 0.1% of the vote. Anyone who claims to be a Libertarian is just a Republican liar.

BTW, I labeled myself as "Liberal Far Left". The OKCupid test said I am a Socialist.

Social to the bone.

This may not make me too popular around here, but I'm a hardcore centrist. I believe in weighing the pros and cons of all sides presented before an issue in order to form my educated opinion. Sometimes I've supported a liberal idea, sometimes I've supproted a conservative idea. I don't want to be tied to one side or another, I want to decipher what ideas are the best for the greater good of America.

~MIke: The Political Guy

OK, as a centrist, how do you feel about the Republicans as a group?

Liberal Democrat here. Parties don't seem too important to me though. There is no party that speaks for me.

Now, if there were an anti-fascist party. You know, separation of corporations and state, blah, blah. The folks running things scare the beejus out of me.

To answer Sky's question of my opinion on Republicans as a group...
I believe many Republicans have put power and money over principles, and they tend to be very intolerant of different ideals. They are full of excuses and do little for the common good.

~Mike: The Political Guy

To me, this sounds like a cheap way out of the question.

To simply say that "I take an open mind into any issue" is not possible. You have to have ideals and morals that you believe in.

Bronstein (Trostsky) was financed by immensley wealthy and powerful Bankers.

Jacob Schiff of Kuhn and Loeb Bank spent millions on the Bolshevik Army in order to overthrow the Czar.

Bolshevism was a hoax from the beginning.

The Bolshevik Revolution was a New York/London Banking operation....just like or current PNAC is.

These folks were the first in our century to adopt terrorism as a political operation.

Stalin starved 7 MILLION Ukranians to death at one time.

50 MILLION were murdered by the Soviet Union.

David Rockefeller of Chase Bank financed the Soviet Nuclear arsenal during the height of the Cold War.

The UN was founded by War Profiteer/Banker/ Oil Magnate JD Rockefeller who founded the UN with a 8,500,000 dollar check which he handed to Trygvie Lie (Communist) in order to have the institution established in Manhattan (The Rockefellers own neighborhood)

Paul Wolfowitz works for David Rockefeller at the UN/World Bank...A PRIVATE/FOR PROFIT BANK!

Dont be a sucker!

JD Rockefeller III hands Communist Trygvie Lie (First UN Sec Gen a check for 8,500,000 to establish the UN in New York)

The PNAC and the Soviets share the same love of violence, terrorism, tyranny and power.

And they are financed by the same Banking Houses.

Great posts Lucid, but what does that have to do with what you think you are personally on a politcal dogma?

I guess you could say I agee with Jefferson.

"When the people fear the government you have tyranny. When the Government fears the people you have liberty."

Yeah, but your post before was all about Capitalism birthing forth Communism? How does that equate to your Jefferson qoute?

I am just trying to understand is all. Cause I cant tell if you are liberal, conservative, communist, capitalist, or the myriad of others.

I believe in personal freedom.

freedom to think, speak, act, movement etc.

Anytime you see a rising superstate, whether it be the USA, the USSR, the European Union, the United Nations.....realize that this is the Banking house attempting to capture the population and drive it into a Totalitarian government.

Any form of governmental or economc system is perfectly legitimate only so long as it is based on willing participation.

If you want to do collective farming and wealth sharing such as the communist system....be my guest....but dont force me into your society if I tell you I dont wish to participate.

Capitalism however is not really a Political system so much as it is a criminal operation.

It is essentially Organized Crime through totalitarian control of the issuance of money.

Two main ways that the Money Mafia managed to enslave the world's populations into debt was through the overthrow of the Czar by exploiting Russia's poor and promising them a "dictatorship of the Proletariat"....the other has been too create massive debt through endless war.

Promises of Global Communism as well as debts incurred through International Warfare has made all of the populations of the world the unwitting property of Money Lenders.

Sources please. I studied Soviet history for 4 years in university, and this is the first I've heard of this.



Again, source please.



One more time! Sources!



Not true. Lenin and Trotsky had a legitimate vision for the Soviet Union. It was later twisted and destroyed as Stalin rose following the death of Lenin. Trotsky outlines it quite well in "The Revolution Betrayed."



Compaing the Bolsheviks to the PNAC leads me to believe that you understand very little of the history of the USSR.



I don't see what this has to do with the rest of the post, other than illustrate your severe anti-communist ideals.

AND, the USSR was not the first country to adopt terrorism as a political operation. It could easily be argued that what the whites did to the natives in North America was a form of "terrorism". Hell, by the current definition, even George Washington was a terrorist.

Don't make the assumption that because I'm a Trotskyist that I agree / believed in the Soviet system. I don't.



Sources?



Again, a source would be nice.

If you are going to come here and start making these types of claims, you should probably back them up with some sort of proof.

I dont care what people believe, just as long as they are honest about it. The moment someone doesnt want me to know just begs the idea that they wish to use my lack of information against me some how, otherwise why keep it hidden?

SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES...

"I studied the Soviet system at the university for four years...this is the first I've heard of this"

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!

You've heard of the Rockefeller's right?

Standard Oil?

Chase Manhattan Bank?

World Trade Center?

CAN YOU SEE THIS PICTURE?

This is a picture of John D. Rockefeller III handing a check for $8,500,000.00 to Communist, Trygvie Lie (First Sec. Gen. of the UN) in order to establish the United Nations in his neighborhood of Manhattan. The United Nations is a Rockefeller sponsored organization.

Yes, you make it sound like a bad thing. Without sources, all you flaunt is your opinion, which anybody can do.



If you are going to quote me, do it correctly. I said that I studied Soviet HISTORY not the "Soviet system." Huge difference.



OK, you can name some important things, but you are't making any connections.



I see a pic of a guy handing a cheque over, but you don't offer any proof or analysis of what actually happens. I can find all sorts of nice pictures on the internet too.

Here's a pretty dog named Toby:


Big deal eh?

What I posted is common knowledge.....just as if I posted that "George Bush is President."

Why do you think the UN is in Manhattan?

Here is some info from the Encyclopedia Britannica (Encyclopedia Co. owned by the Rockefeller Monopoly)
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITTANICA (ROCKEFELLER / UN)


Here is some info from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia/Trygvie_Lie

Kofi Annan talks with Emperor David Rockefeller

Good job Lucid. Some nice reading there. I didn't know why the UN was in NY before, and now I do.

Thanks!

But, your wikipedia link is wrong, and I searched for "trygvie lie" in Wiki, and it came up with nothing.

However, I still feel to see your connections between the rise of communism in Russia and the capitalist connections.

Communism rose in Russia when it did for very specific reasons. Lenin and Trotsky outline them quite extensivly in their writings. I'd suggest reading up and telling us what you think.

I appreciate the kind words.....

As for communism, it is quite likely that Bronstein (Trotsky) and Lenin did believe in their efforts...I am not questioning the sincerity of their beliefs in fact I am quite sure that they were used specifically because they were so passionate about their objectives...

However it was Jacobg Schiff and his circle of BILLIONAIREs who wanted to overthrow the Czar...and it was these immensley wealthy Bankers who provided the funds necessary to accopmlish this.

Here are three diverse sources.

Wikipedia (a Jewish/symapthetic source) gives a spin on Schiff's "philanthropic" efforts in overthrowing the Czar and spins the event by saying that Schiff stopped his support once he saw the bad things reulting from communism (as if the banking mafia is concerned with civil rights).
WKIPEDIA

The second source is clearly anti-Jewish however, provides good information concerning the events surrounding the conspiracy to overthrow the Czar.
ROMANOFFS / SCHIFF / TROTSKY

The last source is a 3 hour documentary THIS IS AN EXCELLENT DOCUMENTARY!!!!!....I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU WATCH IT IN FULL!!!!!!

This is a two part documentary called THE MONEY MASTERS PART 1

Watch part 2!THE MONEY MASTERS PART 2

Your second source was blocked by my at work filter for being "Hate Material"!!

I find your theories about Lenin and Trotsky being used by bigger entities to be a little far fetched. It sounds like one of those mega-conspiracies that you hear about sometimes.

The lives of Lenin and Trotsky have been examined quite a lot by historians, and I've never heard this kind of stuff before, hence my high level of skepticism.

Also, Wikipedia is, IMHO, far from a reliable source for anything. Be wary.

Well, how do you suppose Trotsky paid his troops to fight against the Czar?

That is really "pricey."

Especially for a "Journalist from the Bronx."

Can you imagine what it would cost to raise an army against an Empirial power?

I don't know about Soviet history at all. But, perhaps I can hazard a guess at the answer to this question based on American history.

George Washington paid his troops with worthless currency. Ever heard the term "not worth a Continental"? It refered to the sorry state of the monetary system in America during the Revolutionary War.

Likewise, the Confederacy paid their troops in totally worthless currency.

This lack of meaningful pay did not stop the soldiers of either army from fighting as bravely and devotedly as possible.

Depends on what you mean. Do you mean during the initial revolution, or in the ensuing civil war against the whites?

Well the answer is fairly well documented.

Trotsky was paid by International Banking houses (Jacob Schiff of Kuhn & Loeb specifically) to overthrow the Czar.


And when the Soviets needed Money for future wars they went back to these same Banks...roght up until the Cold War when David Rockefeller of Chase Bank of Manhattan financed the Soviets Nuclear Arsenal.

Nelson Rockefeller & Krushchev having a love affair


You see, Wars cost fortunes.

Bankers issue money by decree and loan it to Governments to fight wars.

Defense Manufacturers eat it up and "voila" you've got a war economy, only thing is you are also in debt so in fact your whole nation....all of its citizens have a negative cash flow...negative wealth....they have money in their pockets today but it belongs to the Bank...it must all be returned to the Bank + interest....and that is where the Internal Revenue Service comes in.

They collect the principle + interest on the loans.

In essence they make money out of nothing simply because they control the money supply.

Dont feel too bad however, just think how all of the NAZI's felt when they found out that Hitler was part Jewish....and from a Rothschild at that!

Why would I feel bad? Your arguments, while interesting, don't really shake things up at all. Banks give money to people, who do different things with it.

You make it sound like their ideas are somehow compromised by the fact that they needed money to do what they did.

In the end, their ideas are what are important, not the money.

Sure, you can like or dislike whatever you want.

And you can create any kind of society you want....so long as its people are not captives but willing participants.

The problem I have with Communism, NAZIsm, Zionism, Capitalism, etc is that they are systems rooted in force.

They force and coerce people through brutal means into membership.

These philosphies are merely used as fronts or justifications for the construction of a "Super State: Slave Society."

In a free society you and others like you should have every right to buy a piece of property and start your own Utopian Socialist Society......everyone should able to do this.

However if you were to do this right now, expect to end up with FBI and CIA plants impersonating as members and causing mayhem.

The "Super State" is a state of paranoia.

2 questions.



how would you go about making this perfect society come about and
can you name any perfect societies in the entire history of man?
(isn't the term "perfect" rather subjective?)

My thoughts exactly. Lucid spends a lot of time going after the systems, but very little time telling us what he wants.

He wants something thats impossible, methinks.

The issuance of money needs to be brought back under the control of our own congress as it was under Jackson....he fought the Banks and won, but that victory was short lived.

The American Govt just as all governments must produce their own currency and not use the currency of a private bank.

Watch the Two Part Documentary I posted easrlier called the Money Masters.

It explains the root problem and the obvious solutions....until this is resolved we will continue to be captives.

Also we need a Govt with an independent Investigative Depatment which investigates organized crime and corruption and prosecutes and punishes the guilty!

We have some of that happeneing now with the Abramaoff catastrophe....and it is good for America that these investigations are occurring.

Enforcement of Laws on out Elected and Appointed leaders is something we should all cherish.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think that's called "the Justice Department."

Yes and they are doing some good work on the Abramoff scandal but they are working really really really slowly on this:

WTC COLLAPSE

WTC 7 COLLAPSE

LARRY SILVERSTEIN CONFESSES THEY "PULLED" WTC 7 (DEMOLITION)

That's how the system is SUPPOSED to work.

Imagine for a moment everything was reversed.
The good guys were in power in Washington,
and the bad guys were doing everything they could to take power from them.

Wouldn't you then want the system to run more slowly?


OK, so how about it runs slowly just because it's thurough and complete?
The law applies equally in all directions.
You may want things to happen quickly.
And if that's the case I suggest you go back to watching TV where everything gets solved in 30 minutes.
Leave politics to those that possess the patience and persistance to make the system work as the consitiution was written for it to run!

Impatience screw's up everything!
Nothing of value comes easy.

Our Govt is controlled by an international Mafia which attacked us on 911.

I dont see the law being applied to them.

hey wait, yer wonna them conspiracy nuts aren't you?








That's sarcasm that's intended as fun

I do believe our friend Winston Smith did admit that he had some confusion as to the actual result of 2+2...interesting signature.

Conspiracy?

No....I dont believe that anymore......why do you?

HOW COME THE HIJACKERS AREN'T DEAD?

A copy of the Koran hijacked a plane?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalrighty.

Hi Lucid. Welcome to the forum. I just wanted to interject really quick to bring up a point about providing links with your statements. The main reason this forum exists isd for people to exchange information. So it's customary to include a source or two to back up your comment just to help educate people. I check the forum at least a few times a day for links I can use on the main page. So, by doing so, you are helping me as well as all of the POAC readers. The stuff you are talking about is really good, so I think it's important to provide sources. Just for further reading, really. i know you've already done a great job doing so regarding the 9-11 attacks, so I'm kinda wasting my breath, but I just wanted to let you know why everyone here will be kind of obsessive about asking for links.

Great links on 9-11 and the highjackers, BTW. And again, welcome to the forum.

I can name more times just off the top of my head, times men have fought without a dime given to them, some be force, some not. When it comes to a war on your own front door are you going to give a shit about money?

The only reason money is wroth anything at all is because WE ALL agree it is worth something, not because a bank made a decree.

Now all you seem like to me is a white supremist. Lets do a check list, I rember it quite clearly since I was a former boot boy myself.

You spout off about "fake" Christians? Check
You spout off about how behind closed doors Capitalism controls Communism? Check (Which by the way was engineered to make Capitalist feel better).
You qoute the almost same scripture reference that the "old regime" used.
Let me guess, after all this, you will come up with a plan, all on your own, that formulates how to better hte world by doing away with all you have shown us?
Almost ALL of your sources are anti-semantic, by your own admission.

If I am wrong, please excuse me, but as you can see, your own words provide me with the proof, but I have ben wrong before. More so then not.


Most her require links, but I require common sense to match up aswell.

Thanks for the kind words.

I would be happy to provide anything you need.

Here is an important video on the PNAC which you might like to feature on your homepage:
NEDERLANDS: PNAC & THE NEW PEARL HARBOUR

Why in a PhP file? You know those can have a script it in.


Hmmmmm

*strokes his chin in deep contemplation on whether to risk the DL*