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Saddam trial hears of horror in Room 63 By Michael Georgy and Paul Tait
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Men and women were tortured for days and babies left to die in an interrogation facility which featured a meat grinder for human flesh, the first prosecution witness to face Saddam Hussein told the court on Monday.

After weeks of delay and legal arguments over security and the legitimacy of the court, the trial of Saddam and seven co- defendants on charges of crimes against humanity heard confusing but graphic witness evidence of torture and summary execution.

"I swear by God I walked by a room and on my left I saw a grinder with blood coming out of it and human hair underneath," said 38-year-old Ahmed Hassan, who said he had been kept in room 63 at the Hakmiya intelligence headquarters in Baghdad.

Hassan, the first witness to face Saddam in court, said he was 15 when Saddam visited the village in July 1982 and Shi'ite militants tried to assassinate him.

Speaking technically as an individual plaintiff alongside the state, which is pressing charges of crimes against humanity, Hassan said he and his family were among hundreds of people rounded up in a security operation run by Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti after an attempt on Saddam's life in the village.

Barzan, one of Saddam's three younger half-brothers and the former head of the feared Mukhabarat intelligence service, is one of Saddam's seven co-accused in the case relating to the killings of 148 mostly Shi'ite Muslim men from Dujail.

"Barzan was present. He had red cowboy boots and blue jeans and a sniper rifle," Hassan, a stockily built worker with a round face and a graying beard, told the heavily fortified court in central Baghdad.

He said Saddam, from the Sunni Arab minority, asked a 15-year-old boy if he knew who he was. "He said 'Saddam'. Then Saddam hit him in the head with an ash tray," Hassan said.

Hassan risked reprisals by letting his face appear on television as he gave evidence.

Toward the end of his testimony he stood facing Saddam as the former president challenged his testimony. Hassan held Saddam's gaze as Saddam asked how he could possibly remember the names and birth dates of people he said were killed, responding that he had memorized them as they were read out by guards.

With Barzan constantly interjecting from the dock and calling the testimony lies, Hassan said he was among hundreds of people taken from the Shi'ite village to the Hakmiya intelligence headquarters, run by Barzan.

He said it was while he was climbing the stairs there that he saw the meat grinder. "No one escaped torture," he said.

"They would put a mask on my eyes and because I was young it would fall down. I saw women being tortured," he said.

"My brother was given electric shocks while my 77-year-old father watched," Hassan said. "They told us, 'why don't you confess, you will be executed anyway'," he said.

"One man was shot in the leg with two bullets... Some people were crippled because they had their arms and legs broken."

He said they were held in Hakmiya for 70 days. While they were there a woman told a guard that her infant baby needed milk or he would die.

"He died and the guard threw him from the window," Hassan told the court. "Pregnant women gave birth in the prison. Their babies died."

Saddam and his co-defendants have all pleaded not guilty to the charges. They could be sentenced to death if found guilty.



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If Saddam Hussein can be held accountable for atrocities committed while he was in power, can george bush and dick cheney be held accountable for atrocities committed on their watch as well?
shoeless
QUOTE(Gadzooks! @ Monday, 5 December 2005, 1:57 pm)

If Saddam Hussein can be held accountable for atrocities committed while he was in power, can george bush and dick cheney be held accountable for atrocities committed on their watch as well?
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Good question. I have another one. Most Bush apologists now say the invasion of Iraq was justified because Saddam gassed his own people. Yet, he is not on trial for gassing anyone. Why not?
Gadzooks!
Because American Military Intelligence was on the ground at Halabja immediately after the gassing of the Kurdish civilians (quite a coincidence), and performed autopsies on many of the gassed Kurds. Turns out they died of exposure to a chemical used by Iran and supplied by Russia, not by gas used by Iraq and supplied by...us!
sky of mind


If Saddam Hussein can be held accountable for atrocities committed while he was in power, can george bush and dick cheney be held accountable for atrocities committed on their watch as well?
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That truely is the question of these times.
My guess is that as things sit right now,
No! He'll be shamed, but he'll walk scott free!
They all will, except for those chosen to take the fall.
shoeless
QUOTE(Gadzooks! @ Monday, 5 December 2005, 2:13 pm)
Because American Military Intelligence was on the ground at Halabja immediately after the gassing of the Kurdish civilians (quite a coincidence), and performed autopsies on many of the gassed Kurds. Turns out they died of exposure to a chemical used by Iran and supplied by Russia, not by gas used by Iraq and supplied by...us!
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I have another question. Why has no one in the MSM asked this obvious question?
sky of mind
QUOTE(Gadzooks! @ Monday, 5 December 2005, 1:57 pm)

If Saddam Hussein can be held accountable for atrocities committed while he was in power, can george bush and dick cheney be held accountable for atrocities committed on their watch as well?
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That truely is the question of these times.
My guess is that as things sit right now,
No! He'll be shamed, but he'll walk scott free!
They all will, except for those chosen to take the fall.
happymisanthropy
QUOTE(Gadzooks! @ Monday, 5 December 2005, 12:13 pm)
Because American Military Intelligence was on the ground at Halabja immediately after the gassing of the Kurdish civilians (quite a coincidence), and performed autopsies on many of the gassed Kurds. Turns out they died of exposure to a chemical used by Iran and supplied by Russia, not by gas used by Iraq and supplied by...us!
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Well, that's what the military said at the time.
And when the UN wanted to condemn Iraq at the time, Reagan said "No! Iran did it!"
But history has been revised many times since then.
We are at war with Eastasia, and always have been at war with Eastasia.
rcorporon
Looks like not much has changed at all in Iraq!

I think that Cheney, Rummy, Powel, Rove, Rice and Bush should all be hauled into court to face crimes against humanity. THye did it to the Japanese after WWII for their "pre emptive" attacks.

Sheesh
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