No government vs. a dictatorship. I would personally rather live in anarchy and be able to do whatever I want than live under a fascist leader or a religious theocracy. I doubt that either would be pleasant, but I would rather have complete and total freedom than having absolute control over my life.
You're thoughts?
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In total Anarchy there is nothing to stop the unscruplous people from taking advantage of you.
There needs to be some sort of social structure in place for largeer then one family unit projects. No one family unti can survive on its own.
There needs to be some sort of social structure in place for largeer then one family unit projects. No one family unti can survive on its own.
QUOTE(MasterMind @ Tuesday, 29 November 2005, 3:41 pm)
In total Anarchy there is nothing to stop the unscruplous people from taking advantage of you.
There needs to be some sort of social structure in place for largeer then one family unit projects. No one family unti can survive on its own.
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There needs to be some sort of social structure in place for largeer then one family unit projects. No one family unti can survive on its own.
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Yeah, silly community projects like fire departments, roads, police, schools, power, water, and garbage service. You might not like the rules in a fascist system, but you would be safer, since there is a set of rules to know and follow.
Anarchy ensures that you can only do what you want if you can bench-press more than the other guy.
Come to Alabama, Rad. We're bordering on anarchy. We've got about 2 state troopers for the whole state. Schools are underfunded. Roads are pitiful. All because the people are anarchists, I guess, cause they won't approve any taxes for these silly community concerns. They won't approve taxes for anything.
There's a little town, Level Plains, where the mayor is engaging in a p*ssing contest with the town council. Thus they have not paid the city's bills in 2 months. They had to let all the policemen go. Their power bill is overdue. Loss of power will shut down the water tower, so no running water for the people. The best part? Alabama cities and towns don't have "home rule", so if the people of Level Plains want to oust the jokers, they have to beg the state legislature to pass a constitutional amendment to that end.
(Alabama accomplishes everything by consitutional amendment. The stupid state constitution might stretch from here to the moon and back. "Alabama's constitution now has 743 amendments (including amendments dealing with bingo, mosquito control, catfish, soybeans, dead farm animals, beaver tails, and prostitution), while the national average is 116.
The constitution itself is easily the longest in the nation and is 12 times longer than the typical state constitution." http://www.constitutionalreform.org/whatswrong5.shtml
QUOTE(Pinget @ Tuesday, 29 November 2005, 4:36 pm)
Yeah, silly community projects like fire departments, roads, police, schools, power, water, and garbage service. You might not like the rules in a fascist system, but you would be safer, since there is a set of rules to know and follow.
Anarchy ensures that you can only do what you want if you can bench-press more than the other guy.
Come to Alabama, Rad. We're bordering on anarchy. We've got about 2 state troopers for the whole state. Schools are underfunded. Roads are pitiful. All because the people are anarchists, I guess, cause they won't approve any taxes for these silly community concerns. They won't approve taxes for anything.
There's a little town, Level Plains, where the mayor is engaging in a p*ssing contest with the town council. Thus they have not paid the city's bills in 2 months. They had to let all the policemen go. Their power bill is overdue. Loss of power will shut down the water tower, so no running water for the people. The best part? Alabama cities and towns don't have "home rule", so if the people of Level Plains want to oust the jokers, they have to beg the state legislature to pass a constitutional amendment to that end. (Alabama accomplishes everything by consitutional amendment. The stupid state constitution might stretch from here to the moon and back.
"Alabama's constitution now has 743 amendments (including amendments dealing with bingo, mosquito control, catfish, soybeans, dead farm animals, beaver tails, and prostitution), while the national average is 116.
The constitution itself is easily the longest in the nation and is 12 times longer than the typical state constitution." http://www.constitutionalreform.org/whatswrong5.shtml
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Anarchy ensures that you can only do what you want if you can bench-press more than the other guy.
Come to Alabama, Rad. We're bordering on anarchy. We've got about 2 state troopers for the whole state. Schools are underfunded. Roads are pitiful. All because the people are anarchists, I guess, cause they won't approve any taxes for these silly community concerns. They won't approve taxes for anything.
There's a little town, Level Plains, where the mayor is engaging in a p*ssing contest with the town council. Thus they have not paid the city's bills in 2 months. They had to let all the policemen go. Their power bill is overdue. Loss of power will shut down the water tower, so no running water for the people. The best part? Alabama cities and towns don't have "home rule", so if the people of Level Plains want to oust the jokers, they have to beg the state legislature to pass a constitutional amendment to that end.
(Alabama accomplishes everything by consitutional amendment. The stupid state constitution might stretch from here to the moon and back. "Alabama's constitution now has 743 amendments (including amendments dealing with bingo, mosquito control, catfish, soybeans, dead farm animals, beaver tails, and prostitution), while the national average is 116.
The constitution itself is easily the longest in the nation and is 12 times longer than the typical state constitution." http://www.constitutionalreform.org/whatswrong5.shtml
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Serious constitution, I'd just rip the thing up and start over.
Interesting arguments against anarchy, although I still would rather live in anarchy than under Adolf Hitler. Neither would mean progress for the human race though, and both would cause many deaths.
No country to date has matched the production might of Nazi Germany per citizen in the 30s.
Now I am not fan of facism, but its better then nothing at all.
I am not even sure you understand what true anarchy would mean. Things like this forum would not exist, no grocery stores where you buy food, and all the other bullshit I know you take for granted.
I thought you where a Communist? Why are you preaching Anarchy now?
They are very very very different. Do you understand what government means?
You do know it goes beyond the police, mayor, city council, state level government and federal level goverment. There is alot there you do not even see.
Hell you like that clean water you drink? Oh wait, you have money to buy clean water if need be? Oh shit, government creates currency!
How do you suppose we survive in Anarchy?
Now I am not fan of facism, but its better then nothing at all.
I am not even sure you understand what true anarchy would mean. Things like this forum would not exist, no grocery stores where you buy food, and all the other bullshit I know you take for granted.
I thought you where a Communist? Why are you preaching Anarchy now?
They are very very very different. Do you understand what government means?
You do know it goes beyond the police, mayor, city council, state level government and federal level goverment. There is alot there you do not even see.
Hell you like that clean water you drink? Oh wait, you have money to buy clean water if need be? Oh shit, government creates currency!
How do you suppose we survive in Anarchy?
Anarchy = Mad Max, Beyond Thunder dome only no gas for the
cool post apocalyptic cars and trucks, and no Thunder dome.
cool post apocalyptic cars and trucks, and no Thunder dome.
QUOTE(MasterMind @ Tuesday, 29 November 2005, 7:05 pm)
No country to date has matched the production might of Nazi Germany per citizen in the 30s.
Now I am not fan of facism, but its better then nothing at all.
I am not even sure you understand what true anarchy would mean. Things like this forum would not exist, no grocery stores where you buy food, and all the other bullshit I know you take for granted.
I thought you where a Communist? Why are you preaching Anarchy now?
They are very very very different. Do you understand what government means?
You do know it goes beyond the police, mayor, city council, state level government and federal level goverment. There is alot there you do not even see.
Hell you like that clean water you drink? Oh wait, you have money to buy clean water if need be? Oh shit, government creates currency!
How do you suppose we survive in Anarchy?
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Now I am not fan of facism, but its better then nothing at all.
I am not even sure you understand what true anarchy would mean. Things like this forum would not exist, no grocery stores where you buy food, and all the other bullshit I know you take for granted.
I thought you where a Communist? Why are you preaching Anarchy now?
They are very very very different. Do you understand what government means?
You do know it goes beyond the police, mayor, city council, state level government and federal level goverment. There is alot there you do not even see.
Hell you like that clean water you drink? Oh wait, you have money to buy clean water if need be? Oh shit, government creates currency!
How do you suppose we survive in Anarchy?
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I doubt that either would be pleasant
I never said I thought we would survive in anarchy, I jsut would rather live in anarchy than a religious theocracy or a fascist regime.
So far:
Anarchy 3
Fascism 1
Anarchy 3
Fascism 1
Do you wish open debate with me about the faults of Anarchy?
I am being nice and civil to you and yet you keep some score like this is a game?
I so wish nature had free reign over weeding out the less then desirable gene pools.
I am being nice and civil to you and yet you keep some score like this is a game?
I so wish nature had free reign over weeding out the less then desirable gene pools.
QUOTE(MasterMind @ Tuesday, 29 November 2005, 11:15 pm)
Do you wish open debate with me about the faults of Anarchy?
I am being nice and civil to you and yet you keep some score like this is a game?
I so wish nature had free reign over weeding out the less then desirable gene pools.
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I am being nice and civil to you and yet you keep some score like this is a game?
I so wish nature had free reign over weeding out the less then desirable gene pools.
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He's a child, Mastermind. As Rumsfeld would say, "You debate anarchy with the teenager you have."
Rad prefers anarchy to *anything* resembling order. He'll outgrow it.
QUOTE(Pinget @ Tuesday, 29 November 2005, 10:40 pm)
He's a child, Mastermind. As Rumsfeld would say, "You debate anarchy with the teenager you have."
Rad prefers anarchy to *anything* resembling order. He'll outgrow it.
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Rad prefers anarchy to *anything* resembling order. He'll outgrow it.
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Yeah, Nintendo's cool.
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Tuesday, 29 November 2005, 11:23 pm)
Yeah, Nintendo's cool.
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Xbox is better.
QUOTE(MasterMind @ Tuesday, 29 November 2005, 10:15 pm)
Do you wish open debate with me about the faults of Anarchy?
I am being nice and civil to you and yet you keep some score like this is a game?
I so wish nature had free reign over weeding out the less then desirable gene pools.
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I am being nice and civil to you and yet you keep some score like this is a game?
I so wish nature had free reign over weeding out the less then desirable gene pools.
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"some score"
What is it that you are trying to say?
QUOTE(Pinget @ Tuesday, 29 November 2005, 10:40 pm)
He's a child, Mastermind. As Rumsfeld would say, "You debate anarchy with the teenager you have."
Rad prefers anarchy to *anything* resembling order. He'll outgrow it.
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Rad prefers anarchy to *anything* resembling order. He'll outgrow it.
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Never said I was an Anarchist. i just find the concept interesting.
I can appreciate Rad's search for who he is. I'm 29 years old and barely know who I am. Even if we find some things he says or does annoying, at least he is searching. That's way better than the poor mindless kids who just carry their parents ideology along through adulthood without ever thinking for themselves.
Also, Rad, I have to laugh that you have gone from one extreme to the other...Communism is pretty freaking far of from anarchy.
But like I said, I'm glad you are thinking and questioning things.
--Left
Also, Rad, I have to laugh that you have gone from one extreme to the other...Communism is pretty freaking far of from anarchy.
But like I said, I'm glad you are thinking and questioning things.
--Left
QUOTE(leftinrightsouth @ Wednesday, 30 November 2005, 10:48 am)
I can appreciate Rad's search for who he is. I'm 29 years old and barely know who I am. Even if we find some things he says or does annoying, at least he is searching. That's way better than the poor mindless kids who just carry their parents ideology along through adulthood without ever thinking for themselves.
Also, Rad, I have to laugh that you have gone from one extreme to the other...Communism is pretty freaking far of from anarchy.
But like I said, I'm glad you are thinking and questioning things.
--Left
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Also, Rad, I have to laugh that you have gone from one extreme to the other...Communism is pretty freaking far of from anarchy.
But like I said, I'm glad you are thinking and questioning things.
--Left
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Im not an Anarchist.
I never thought I would find myself voting FOR Fascism, but I find myself doing so, and here is why:
Anarchy is a total lack of structure, and security. That would be horrible. Anarchy is complete lawlessness, the survival of the strongest, and would lead to the total exploitation and victimization of those unable to defend themselves.
Fascism, while bad, does provide for structure and at least some level of security, so it is preferable to Anarchy.
Anarchy is a total lack of structure, and security. That would be horrible. Anarchy is complete lawlessness, the survival of the strongest, and would lead to the total exploitation and victimization of those unable to defend themselves.
Fascism, while bad, does provide for structure and at least some level of security, so it is preferable to Anarchy.
QUOTE(Radical Liberal @ Wednesday, 30 November 2005, 1:05 pm)
Im not an Anarchist.
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I didn't say you were. Funny, my whole post was kinda sticking up for you and that's the only thing you can reply to. Oh well, I still appreciate that you are searching for your place.
--Left
Xbox is better, but that is not the point.
I said dont keep score in a conversation with me.
You will lose, not because I think I am better and smarter then you are, but because you do not plant your feet, nor do you set roots if you do happen to plant your feet.
If you dont know what that means, to bad. You need to explain yourself if you want me to explain myself.
Yeah, I defended him in another thread and he bit my head off for it too.
Two actions that will never go away that need to....
1) Cutting ones nose off to spit their face.
and
2) Bitting the hand that feeds you.
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"some score"
What is it that you are trying to say?
What is it that you are trying to say?
I said dont keep score in a conversation with me.
You will lose, not because I think I am better and smarter then you are, but because you do not plant your feet, nor do you set roots if you do happen to plant your feet.
If you dont know what that means, to bad. You need to explain yourself if you want me to explain myself.
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I didn't say you were. Funny, my whole post was kinda sticking up for you and that's the only thing you can reply to. Oh well, I still appreciate that you are searching for your place.
--Left
--Left
Yeah, I defended him in another thread and he bit my head off for it too.
Two actions that will never go away that need to....
1) Cutting ones nose off to spit their face.
and
2) Bitting the hand that feeds you.
QUOTE(leftinrightsouth @ Wednesday, 30 November 2005, 12:48 pm)
I didn't say you were. Funny, my whole post was kinda sticking up for you and that's the only thing you can reply to. Oh well, I still appreciate that you are searching for your place.
--Left
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--Left
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I wasnt attacking you.
And you said "gone from one extreme to the other." It just sounded to me like you were calling me an Anarchist.
The wheels on the short bus go round and round,
round and round,
round and round.
round and round,
round and round.
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Wednesday, 30 November 2005, 2:08 pm)
The wheels on the short bus go round and round,
round and round,
round and round.
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round and round,
round and round.
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I dont want here songs from your childhood.
Hey, me rod da sh0rt buz!!1!!11!!!00o
I voted for fascism... wow.
Want to know why Anarcy is scary? Read "DAy of the Triffids." That book scared the shit out of me.
I'd live in a "1984" or a Nazi GErmany any day of the week if offered the choice between that and anarcy.
Rad, here's a thought. In a fascist state, if I didn't like you, there isn't much I could do. In an anarchy, I could grab my gun and shoot ya. No consequence (unless you shot me first).
That's some scary shit.
Want to know why Anarcy is scary? Read "DAy of the Triffids." That book scared the shit out of me.
I'd live in a "1984" or a Nazi GErmany any day of the week if offered the choice between that and anarcy.
Rad, here's a thought. In a fascist state, if I didn't like you, there isn't much I could do. In an anarchy, I could grab my gun and shoot ya. No consequence (unless you shot me first).
That's some scary shit.
QUOTE(rcorporon @ Wednesday, 30 November 2005, 6:29 pm)
I voted for fascism... wow.
Want to know why Anarcy is scary? Read "DAy of the Triffids." That book scared the shit out of me.
I'd live in a "1984" or a Nazi GErmany any day of the week if offered the choice between that and anarcy.
Rad, here's a thought. In a fascist state, if I didn't like you, there isn't much I could do. In an anarchy, I could grab my gun and shoot ya. No consequence (unless you shot me first).
That's some scary shit.
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Want to know why Anarcy is scary? Read "DAy of the Triffids." That book scared the shit out of me.
I'd live in a "1984" or a Nazi GErmany any day of the week if offered the choice between that and anarcy.
Rad, here's a thought. In a fascist state, if I didn't like you, there isn't much I could do. In an anarchy, I could grab my gun and shoot ya. No consequence (unless you shot me first).
That's some scary shit.
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Huh. "Day of the Triffids" was interesting, been a while since I read it though. That isnt realistic anarchy though. That was the people with sight taking advantage of blind people who couldnt possibly take care of themselves.
Ok Rad, explain to us what would happen in your "anarchy".
QUOTE(leftinrightsouth @ Wednesday, 30 November 2005, 1:48 pm)
I didn't say you were. Funny, my whole post was kinda sticking up for you and that's the only thing you can reply to. Oh well, I still appreciate that you are searching for your place.
--Left
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Just so he doesn't think he's crazy, the second paragraph of your post does sound as though you think he's abandoned communism in favor of anarchy. His was a reasonable misunderstanding.
QUOTE(Radical Liberal @ Thursday, 1 December 2005, 9:36 am)
Huh. "Day of the Triffids" was interesting, been a while since I read it though. That isnt realistic anarchy though. That was the people with sight taking advantage of blind people who couldnt possibly take care of themselves.
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EH? That's EXACTLY what anarchy is!
The strong (people who can see) exploiting the weak (the blind).
In the book, people splintered into groups based on philosophical and / or religious books. I think that if the gov't went away overnight, this is what would happen.
You'd get those psycho's up in Michigan who like to run around in the bush and shoot bowling pins invading cities, shooting people, etc.
Anarchy is some scary stuff. Without the safety net of gov't in place, and so many guns floating around, America would turn into a warzone.
Think about ALL the unspoken tension in some parts of the country.
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