Why are the Democrats such Pussies, and why the fuck do we need them any way to change things in this country?
The more I read of what the Democratic party does NOT do when they have had countless opportunities to stand up and grow a spine makes me think they are hopeless and we would be best to abandon them.
I sure as HELL do not want to replace the Republicans with an unreformed Democratic party! But that may be what we are being asked to settle for. I agree the Republicans are going down by their own hand, but we need to be concerned about the cowards that replace them. Yes, cowards is a good word to describe them by their disgusting behavior.
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QUOTE(AntiFlagWaver @ Tuesday, 22 November 2005, 12:39 pm)
Why are the Democrats such Pussies, and why the fuck do we need them any way to change things in this country?
The more I read of what the Democratic party does NOT do when they have had countless opportunities to stand up and grow a spine makes me think they are hopeless and we would be best to abandon them.
I sure as HELL do not want to replace the Republicans with an unreformed Democratic party! But that may be what we are being asked to settle for. I agree the Republicans are going down by their own hand, but we need to be concerned about the cowards that replace them. Yes, cowards is a good word to describe them by their disgusting behavior.
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The more I read of what the Democratic party does NOT do when they have had countless opportunities to stand up and grow a spine makes me think they are hopeless and we would be best to abandon them.
I sure as HELL do not want to replace the Republicans with an unreformed Democratic party! But that may be what we are being asked to settle for. I agree the Republicans are going down by their own hand, but we need to be concerned about the cowards that replace them. Yes, cowards is a good word to describe them by their disgusting behavior.
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If NOT the Democrats, then who?
besides, I seem to be seeing quite a few rather vocal Democrats lately
it seems to me that many of these democrats have balls that don't need to be questioned.
Are they all Hero's?
Ha! Not even!
But again, if not the Democrats, then who?
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Tuesday, 22 November 2005, 1:27 pm)
If NOT the Democrats, then who?
Top 13 ways Ross Perot is stretching his campaign budget
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996
From: Brian Myers
13. 30-minute infomercials: 15 minutes on economic policies, 15 minutes on The Amazing Abdomenizer.
12. Now charges regular mechanic rates for "getting under the hood to see what's wrong."
11. Declared every registered voter in the country as part of his "Friends & Family."
10. Found plenty of loose $1000 bills searching under couch cushions at home.
9. "Big sucking sound" is campaign headquarters moving to Tijuana.
8. That Nike logo tattoo on his ear brought in a cool million.
7. Only campaigning in the 37 states where he owns one or more Fortune 500 companies.
6. "Forgot" to tell confused Admiral Stockdale to stop campaigning.
5. Getting free TV exposure by standing outside the Today Show window.
4. Switched from Gigantic Freak Size Q-Tips to Regular Size.
3. Saves airfare by having supporters carry him state-to-state piggyback.
2. Sold all his shoe lifts to George Stephanopoulos.
1. Reluctantly accepted campaign contribution from the American Society for Short, Tyrannical, Weasely Little Guys.
Lotsa People liked Perot.
Honestly, i can't say I ever did.
And when he pulled out mid stream?
Forget it!
Although, if there is to be a third party candidate with half a shot,
he'll have to be even richer than Perot!
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Tuesday, 22 November 2005, 5:00 pm)
Lotsa People liked Perot.
Honestly, i can't say I ever did.
And when he pulled out mid stream?
Forget it!
Although, if there is to be a third party candidate with half a shot,
he'll have to be even richer than Perot!
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Just kidding Sky. I voted for him because he finally woke people up to the threat of the federal debt. Even though he lost, he had quite an effect in that regard. Unfortunately, the Bush regime came to power, and suddenly everyone forgot his message.
Now lookee here at this graph!
There are some very good Democrats. We are ashamed to admit these things, but they are true: 1) A woman cannot be elected president.
2) A black cannot be elected president.
3) Someone short and homely cannot be elected.
4) Someone who is honest enough to not accept obscene
amounts of money from special interests cannot be elected.
Very sad but true.
2) A black cannot be elected president.
3) Someone short and homely cannot be elected.
4) Someone who is honest enough to not accept obscene
amounts of money from special interests cannot be elected.
Very sad but true.
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There are some very good Democrats. We are ashamed to admit these things, but they are true: 2) A black cannot be elected president.
Very sad but true.
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That may change rather soon.
Obama's national appeal rallies an army of backers
OMAHA -- Warren Buffett sits on the edge of a soft brown sofa, closely watching as Barack Obama navigates the well-appointed living room. He moves his square glasses closer to his face, unfolds his arms and springs to his feet when the time comes to welcome his guest to Nebraska.
"There he is," Buffett says with a wide grin, pulling Obama toward him with a hearty handshake. "You're the hottest ticket in town today."
The sage of money and finance, America's second-richest man, seldom becomes invested in politicians. But he has made an exception for the junior senator from Illinois, which is precisely why Obama has arrived here on a frosty fall morning, without an overcoat or an entourage.
No television cameras record the moment. No oversize crowds gather. Rather, a mere 16 people--most of whom Obama was meeting for the first time--finish a breakfast of eggs and fresh fruit in the home of Warren Buffett's daughter, Susie Buffett.
"I've got a conviction about him that I don't get very often," Warren Buffett explained later in an interview. "He has as much potential as anyone I've seen to have an important impact over his lifetime on the course that America takes.
"If he can do an ounce better with me," Buffett added, "fine."
Had the billionaire investor delivered such a glowing appraisal of a stock, his words surely would have sent shares soaring on Wall Street. But unlike the world of finance, where he never succumbs to speculation, Buffett is placing faith in Obama well before the senator establishes a record of performance.
Following his lead, the men and women sitting near a grand piano have come to hear Obama's prescription for the Democratic Party. And while he had come to accept their contributions, he also had hopes of cultivating some long-term investors in his political future.
By year's end, Obama will have collected about $1.2 million as he builds a coast-to-coast army of backers. At a seafood lunch in Beverly Hills, Calif., a dinner in Austin, Texas, or through events in more than a dozen other cities, Obama is creating a network unlike any other freshman senator since Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Celebrity cachet
While many politicians spend several hours a week on the phone, dialing through lists of party contributors in hopes of winning them over, Obama's celebrity cachet enables him to avoid such mundane aspects of the job.
Whether on a book tour in New York, attending a college reunion in Boston or taking a family vacation to Phoenix, his fundraising apparatus is in tow. His staff makes the telephone calls and sets up events where the promise of an Obama visit attracts donors with checks of up to $5,000 for his political action committee, the Hopefund.
It's not altogether clear, at least now, what an investment in Obama might yield. There is no long-range prospectus, no true sense of the risk.
Yet the transaction offers an early benefit: Obama gains exposure and passes along a share of the contributions to like-minded Democrats running for office, who then are indebted to him. At the same time, contributors gain ground-floor entry into the path of a senator on the rise.
Buffett, who at 75 still runs Berkshire Hathaway Inc., was captivated by Obama's speech last year at the Democratic convention. After the election, Buffett wanted to meet Obama, so he and his daughter, Susie, invited him to Omaha for lunch.
Occasionally, Buffett tears out a newspaper article and sends it to Obama, accompanied by a note or comment. But he doesn't flood the senator with thoughts, saying: "I am not one of these guys that thinks that every thought in the morning I have I must convey to the U.S. Senate."
Still, their friendship has provided Obama entree into at least a slice of Buffett's vast and influential circle, including a dinner this year with Bill Gates, a close Buffett friend.
And among those in the Omaha living room was Donald Graham, chairman of The Washington Post Co. Graham and his wife were visiting Buffett (a major shareholder of The Washington Post Co.), and they seized the opportunity to hear one of Washington's newest politicians speak--1,150 miles west of the capital.
As guests continued to sip their coffee, Buffett and Obama stepped into an adjoining room. For the next hour, as they both recounted later, they discussed the federal deficit, tax policy and other economic matters.
That meeting underscores "the most important aspect" of their relationship, Obama said, because only a rare few can offer such insight.
"Warren Buffett's $2,000 is no different than anyone else's. There are a lot of people who can give me money," Obama said. "The wonderful thing about Warren Buffett--similar to my relationship with Oprah--it's somebody who doesn't need anything from me."
QUOTE(shoeless @ Tuesday, 22 November 2005, 7:54 pm)
That may change rather soon.
Obama's national appeal rallies an army of backers
OMAHA -- Warren Buffett sits on the edge of a soft brown sofa, closely watching as Barack Obama navigates the well-appointed living room. He moves his square glasses closer to his face, unfolds his arms and springs to his feet when the time comes to welcome his guest to Nebraska.
"There he is," Buffett says with a wide grin, pulling Obama toward him with a hearty handshake. "You're the hottest ticket in town today."
The sage of money and finance, America's second-richest man, seldom becomes invested in politicians. But he has made an exception for the junior senator from Illinois, which is precisely why Obama has arrived here on a frosty fall morning, without an overcoat or an entourage.
No television cameras record the moment. No oversize crowds gather. Rather, a mere 16 people--most of whom Obama was meeting for the first time--finish a breakfast of eggs and fresh fruit in the home of Warren Buffett's daughter, Susie Buffett.
"I've got a conviction about him that I don't get very often," Warren Buffett explained later in an interview. "He has as much potential as anyone I've seen to have an important impact over his lifetime on the course that America takes.
"If he can do an ounce better with me," Buffett added, "fine."
Had the billionaire investor delivered such a glowing appraisal of a stock, his words surely would have sent shares soaring on Wall Street. But unlike the world of finance, where he never succumbs to speculation, Buffett is placing faith in Obama well before the senator establishes a record of performance.
Following his lead, the men and women sitting near a grand piano have come to hear Obama's prescription for the Democratic Party. And while he had come to accept their contributions, he also had hopes of cultivating some long-term investors in his political future.
By year's end, Obama will have collected about $1.2 million as he builds a coast-to-coast army of backers. At a seafood lunch in Beverly Hills, Calif., a dinner in Austin, Texas, or through events in more than a dozen other cities, Obama is creating a network unlike any other freshman senator since Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Celebrity cachet
While many politicians spend several hours a week on the phone, dialing through lists of party contributors in hopes of winning them over, Obama's celebrity cachet enables him to avoid such mundane aspects of the job.
Whether on a book tour in New York, attending a college reunion in Boston or taking a family vacation to Phoenix, his fundraising apparatus is in tow. His staff makes the telephone calls and sets up events where the promise of an Obama visit attracts donors with checks of up to $5,000 for his political action committee, the Hopefund.
It's not altogether clear, at least now, what an investment in Obama might yield. There is no long-range prospectus, no true sense of the risk.
Yet the transaction offers an early benefit: Obama gains exposure and passes along a share of the contributions to like-minded Democrats running for office, who then are indebted to him. At the same time, contributors gain ground-floor entry into the path of a senator on the rise.
Buffett, who at 75 still runs Berkshire Hathaway Inc., was captivated by Obama's speech last year at the Democratic convention. After the election, Buffett wanted to meet Obama, so he and his daughter, Susie, invited him to Omaha for lunch.
Occasionally, Buffett tears out a newspaper article and sends it to Obama, accompanied by a note or comment. But he doesn't flood the senator with thoughts, saying: "I am not one of these guys that thinks that every thought in the morning I have I must convey to the U.S. Senate."
Still, their friendship has provided Obama entree into at least a slice of Buffett's vast and influential circle, including a dinner this year with Bill Gates, a close Buffett friend.
And among those in the Omaha living room was Donald Graham, chairman of The Washington Post Co. Graham and his wife were visiting Buffett (a major shareholder of The Washington Post Co.), and they seized the opportunity to hear one of Washington's newest politicians speak--1,150 miles west of the capital.
As guests continued to sip their coffee, Buffett and Obama stepped into an adjoining room. For the next hour, as they both recounted later, they discussed the federal deficit, tax policy and other economic matters.
That meeting underscores "the most important aspect" of their relationship, Obama said, because only a rare few can offer such insight.
"Warren Buffett's $2,000 is no different than anyone else's. There are a lot of people who can give me money," Obama said. "The wonderful thing about Warren Buffett--similar to my relationship with Oprah--it's somebody who doesn't need anything from me."
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Obama's national appeal rallies an army of backers
OMAHA -- Warren Buffett sits on the edge of a soft brown sofa, closely watching as Barack Obama navigates the well-appointed living room. He moves his square glasses closer to his face, unfolds his arms and springs to his feet when the time comes to welcome his guest to Nebraska.
"There he is," Buffett says with a wide grin, pulling Obama toward him with a hearty handshake. "You're the hottest ticket in town today."
The sage of money and finance, America's second-richest man, seldom becomes invested in politicians. But he has made an exception for the junior senator from Illinois, which is precisely why Obama has arrived here on a frosty fall morning, without an overcoat or an entourage.
No television cameras record the moment. No oversize crowds gather. Rather, a mere 16 people--most of whom Obama was meeting for the first time--finish a breakfast of eggs and fresh fruit in the home of Warren Buffett's daughter, Susie Buffett.
"I've got a conviction about him that I don't get very often," Warren Buffett explained later in an interview. "He has as much potential as anyone I've seen to have an important impact over his lifetime on the course that America takes.
"If he can do an ounce better with me," Buffett added, "fine."
Had the billionaire investor delivered such a glowing appraisal of a stock, his words surely would have sent shares soaring on Wall Street. But unlike the world of finance, where he never succumbs to speculation, Buffett is placing faith in Obama well before the senator establishes a record of performance.
Following his lead, the men and women sitting near a grand piano have come to hear Obama's prescription for the Democratic Party. And while he had come to accept their contributions, he also had hopes of cultivating some long-term investors in his political future.
By year's end, Obama will have collected about $1.2 million as he builds a coast-to-coast army of backers. At a seafood lunch in Beverly Hills, Calif., a dinner in Austin, Texas, or through events in more than a dozen other cities, Obama is creating a network unlike any other freshman senator since Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Celebrity cachet
While many politicians spend several hours a week on the phone, dialing through lists of party contributors in hopes of winning them over, Obama's celebrity cachet enables him to avoid such mundane aspects of the job.
Whether on a book tour in New York, attending a college reunion in Boston or taking a family vacation to Phoenix, his fundraising apparatus is in tow. His staff makes the telephone calls and sets up events where the promise of an Obama visit attracts donors with checks of up to $5,000 for his political action committee, the Hopefund.
It's not altogether clear, at least now, what an investment in Obama might yield. There is no long-range prospectus, no true sense of the risk.
Yet the transaction offers an early benefit: Obama gains exposure and passes along a share of the contributions to like-minded Democrats running for office, who then are indebted to him. At the same time, contributors gain ground-floor entry into the path of a senator on the rise.
Buffett, who at 75 still runs Berkshire Hathaway Inc., was captivated by Obama's speech last year at the Democratic convention. After the election, Buffett wanted to meet Obama, so he and his daughter, Susie, invited him to Omaha for lunch.
Occasionally, Buffett tears out a newspaper article and sends it to Obama, accompanied by a note or comment. But he doesn't flood the senator with thoughts, saying: "I am not one of these guys that thinks that every thought in the morning I have I must convey to the U.S. Senate."
Still, their friendship has provided Obama entree into at least a slice of Buffett's vast and influential circle, including a dinner this year with Bill Gates, a close Buffett friend.
And among those in the Omaha living room was Donald Graham, chairman of The Washington Post Co. Graham and his wife were visiting Buffett (a major shareholder of The Washington Post Co.), and they seized the opportunity to hear one of Washington's newest politicians speak--1,150 miles west of the capital.
As guests continued to sip their coffee, Buffett and Obama stepped into an adjoining room. For the next hour, as they both recounted later, they discussed the federal deficit, tax policy and other economic matters.
That meeting underscores "the most important aspect" of their relationship, Obama said, because only a rare few can offer such insight.
"Warren Buffett's $2,000 is no different than anyone else's. There are a lot of people who can give me money," Obama said. "The wonderful thing about Warren Buffett--similar to my relationship with Oprah--it's somebody who doesn't need anything from me."
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Obama is definitely one to watch. Good article, Shoe!
Catherine
I have to admit,
Obama has a look about him,
A look that could win an election.
If he got a hand full of the correct endorsements.....
Obama has a look about him,
A look that could win an election.
If he got a hand full of the correct endorsements.....
Being a resident of Illinois, I have watched Obama closely.
He has a good progressive heart, but he does not have the backbone of our great Senator Dick Durbin. In other words, he seems a lot like Bill Clinton.
My first choice for the next president is Russ Feingold. My second choice is Dick Durbin. Neither of them will ever become president.
Perhaps Obama is a little tentative, being so new to national politics. The man was much more liberal as a state senator. But, my gut feeling is that what you see now is what we will get. He is feeling the way to the top, and I think he is a compromiser (is that a word? If not, I want to copywrite it, if George W. Bush already hasn't) on the scale of Bill Clinton.
Some people say Bill Clinton was the first black President. Barak Obama will be the first mulatto President.
BTW, I have already written my Senator Dick Durbin and asked him to kick the junior Senator from Illinois in the butt on a couple of issues.
He has a good progressive heart, but he does not have the backbone of our great Senator Dick Durbin. In other words, he seems a lot like Bill Clinton.
My first choice for the next president is Russ Feingold. My second choice is Dick Durbin. Neither of them will ever become president.
Perhaps Obama is a little tentative, being so new to national politics. The man was much more liberal as a state senator. But, my gut feeling is that what you see now is what we will get. He is feeling the way to the top, and I think he is a compromiser (is that a word? If not, I want to copywrite it, if George W. Bush already hasn't) on the scale of Bill Clinton.
Some people say Bill Clinton was the first black President. Barak Obama will be the first mulatto President.
BTW, I have already written my Senator Dick Durbin and asked him to kick the junior Senator from Illinois in the butt on a couple of issues.
This thread quickly got off my criticism of the Democratic Party I see, but on the question of Obama, I don't see him being a serious contender for President.
Here is a question. If the Republicans were to run McCain, what Democratic candidate would stand a chance against him?
Here is a question. If the Republicans were to run McCain, what Democratic candidate would stand a chance against him?
QUOTE(AntiFlagWaver @ Wednesday, 23 November 2005, 12:18 pm)
This thread quickly got off my criticism of the Democratic Party I see, but on the question of Obama, I don't see him being a serious contender for President.
Here is a question. If the Republicans were to run McCain, what Democratic candidate would stand a chance against him?
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Here is a question. If the Republicans were to run McCain, what Democratic candidate would stand a chance against him?
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There is no way in hell the Republicans will ever allow John McCain to win the GOP nomination!
If you remember, during the 2000 primary campaign the RNC told us that McCain was insane due to his years as a POW, his wife is a psychotic drug addict, he voted against breast cancer research because he hates his sister who had breast cancer, and he fathered an illigitimate black baby.
McCain's only chance to ever become president is to switch parties.
McCain is a die hard Arizona Republican!
He'll never switch and if he did, he'd be another Hillary or Leiberman!
There are a number of highly qualified and quite electable Democrats out there.
There's a lot of time to go before candidates start positioning.
Up first is the Mid terms, then by Jan 2007, it'll begin big time.
I still put my money on Schweitzer of Montana.
A Progressive Democrat that's Gov of a very conservative red state!
The man has appeal to the common man, he doesn't sugar coat his words,
doesn't lie, knows how to deal with critics and credibility hacks,
and yet is able to find and make use of the common ground between the two ideologies!
The man is politically brilliant, and gets the most out of telling the straight truth!
In my world, ya can't do much better than that!
He'll never switch and if he did, he'd be another Hillary or Leiberman!
There are a number of highly qualified and quite electable Democrats out there.
There's a lot of time to go before candidates start positioning.
Up first is the Mid terms, then by Jan 2007, it'll begin big time.
I still put my money on Schweitzer of Montana.
A Progressive Democrat that's Gov of a very conservative red state!
The man has appeal to the common man, he doesn't sugar coat his words,
doesn't lie, knows how to deal with critics and credibility hacks,
and yet is able to find and make use of the common ground between the two ideologies!
The man is politically brilliant, and gets the most out of telling the straight truth!
In my world, ya can't do much better than that!
If McCain were to run as a Republican, I would probably vote for him. I don't think any Democratic candidate would stand a chance against him.
I think McCain would be a great President; someone to undo the neo-con agenda of Bush. He could be a President who could actually restore American credibility, both in the nation and the world. Now wouldn't that be refreshing?
I think McCain would be a great President; someone to undo the neo-con agenda of Bush. He could be a President who could actually restore American credibility, both in the nation and the world. Now wouldn't that be refreshing?
QUOTE(AntiFlagWaver @ Thursday, 24 November 2005, 9:58 am)
If McCain were to run as a Republican, I would probably vote for him. I don't think any Democratic candidate would stand a chance against him.
I think McCain would be a great President; someone to undo the neo-con agenda of Bush. He could be a President who could actually restore American credibility, both in the nation and the world. Now wouldn't that be refreshing?
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I think McCain would be a great President; someone to undo the neo-con agenda of Bush. He could be a President who could actually restore American credibility, both in the nation and the world. Now wouldn't that be refreshing?
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Truly well spoken, however, I've had enough of American conservatism, no matter who is in charge.
The US needs a good lefty president to give you guys health care, free/cheap daycare, and a strong economy.... JUST LIKE CANADA
QUOTE(rcorporon @ Wednesday, 23 November 2005, 8:09 pm)
Truly well spoken, however, I've had enough of American conservatism, no matter who is in charge.
The US needs a good lefty president to give you guys health care, free/cheap daycare, and a strong economy.... JUST LIKE CANADA
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The US needs a good lefty president to give you guys health care, free/cheap daycare, and a strong economy.... JUST LIKE CANADA
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I have to agree.
Over the past coupla decades,
I'm really about sick of Republican greed.
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