http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/11/11/news/gitmo.php

This really sickens me. A banner week in the Senate, one we can all be proud of. Senate votes 49-42 to strip habeas corpus rights of Guantanamo prisoners, recently affirmed by SCOTUS. Senate votes 43-55 against looking into how Gitmo prisoners are being treated. Senate votes 44-54 against allowing liberal talk shows on AFRN to balance Rush and Dobson.

The kicker? They're going to have hearings this week about possibly regulating puppy farms! PUPPY FARMS! Great for PETA - but what's more important? People or puppies?!?!?!?

I am disgusted by the whole Gitmo thing. The people who have been disappeared there, their families not knowing if they're even still alive. And this is done in the name of the United States?

With Republicans in charge, this should not surprise anyone. I used to be a Republican but now I see them as morally-bankrupt party, for the most part. There are still some good Republicans, but by and large, the Party has been taken over by Neo-cons, opportunists, and Far-Right Whack jobs. How sad to see the once great GOP reduced to this.

Who was it that said you can judge a soceity by how it treats its prisoners?

I shudder to think about that horrible place. The US gov't is talking about freedom and democracy, and yet it denies it to people captured in wars.

It's no wonder that so few US soldiers are kept alive when captured. Shame on the US gov't.

Pertaining to the response by rcorporon from Japan. Do not forget the atrocities commited by Japan during WWII with the slaughter of thousands of Chinese and Allied military personnel.

Also, we are not cutting the heads off of those captured. We are simply detaining individuals that would not think twice about killing you or your family in order to get their political agenda across. How would you recommend handling these individuals when there is no current law made on how to deal with them.

You see what they are doing to the peace activists in Iraq. They do not see borders or races, they kill indiscriminately, even among their own religion. If you can critisize you obviously have a better opinion so lets hear it.

We have killed over one hundred thousand Iraqis this go-round. My step-son came home from Ramadi disgusted and betrayed that his government would not only allow but demand the use of blind, indirect-fire WP and heavy automatic weaponry against civilians. We are not, that we here at home know of, cutting their heads off, but we are killing them just as dead. We torture prisoners. Sometimes to death. It is publicly documented. And "they" are not coming over here killing my family or yours for their political agenda. Don't holler "9-11", that was a different bunch altogether. If there has been a wedding between Al-Qaeda and the Iraqi resistance, it is a marriage arranged by us. If you have a valid opinion, let's hear it. As for the four Christian peace activists taken prisoner by a heretofore unheard of militia, I pray for their safe release. I also wouldn't put it past US forces to arrange such a kidnapping for propaganda purposes. Remember the Brit SAS who were arrested in mufti for shooting up an Iraqi checkpoint, and subsequently busted out of jail by Brit tanks. And I will qualify what I am saying by my own experiences during two tours of duty in Viet Nam followed by a stint on the Ranger Training Brigade at Fort Benning, Georgia. I know what we do. By denying prisoners (taken illegally according not only to international laws but our own as well, and held for as long as three years without charges or benefit of legal counsel), such basic rights as habeas corpus, we are endangering our own citizens at home and abroad, both military and civilian, and demonstrating to the rest of the world our disregard for the "freedoms" we claim to stand for. It is estimated by our own intelligence officers that over 80% of the prisoners at Guantanamo present no danger to anyone and have no intelligence value. It is sad you have chosen this forum to defend such bestial hypocrisy, Joseph.

Joseph, he's not *from * Japan. He's a Canadian who happens to be living there now.

Rcorporon, ignore this guy. He obviously doesn't know who he's talking to.

'How would you recommend handling these individuals when there is no current law made on how to deal with them. "

Not so. While we don't have laws that permit us to do what we are doing in Guantanamo and other "secret" prison spread 'round the world, we have a great many laws that specifally prohibit what we are doing there. We are choosing to ignore those laws.

Yeah, like the Geneva Convention!

And as for how the war between Japan and the US was conducted...I seem to recall two atomic bombs being dropped on the civilian populations of two Japanese cities even though the Japanese had notified the US government of their intention to sue for peace (surrender). I'd say we're more than even. Anyway, the topic was and still is the withdrawal by the US government of the right of Guantanamo's prisoners to habeas corpus. Not any of that other crap.

Joseph should sign up and spend time in Iraq.

Joseph reminds me of sushi....T-roll. And if prisoners (some of whom are US citizens) in Guantanamo and other US-run "prisons" or whatever the hell they are can be incarcerated and tortured for as long as three years (so far) or occasionally killed without legal representation or formal charges, it bodes ill for everybody. Welcome to Stalin's Russia.

I suspect a drive by posting has just occured.

and if not, he won't last long.




His opinions are yesterdays news,
and i'm not interested in what is outdated.
(just like the pResidents so called "support the war", "stay the course" campaign)

Why did those 11 young men die yesterday?
Peace? Freedom? Security? Democracy?
Or none of the above?
Maybe their lives were simply wasted?

How many more lives will be casually discarded and considered the cost of corporate profit?

Why did those 11 young men die yesterday?
Peace? Freedom? Security? Democracy?
Or none of the above?
Maybe their lives were simply wasted?

Go to Iraq and ask that question, and you may be startled when someone replies that they died because some Iraqi patriots risked their lives to rid their country of foreign invaders. It is as legitimate an answer as anything you will hear from our current administration or MSM.

As an American who is proud to be an American,
I hang my head in shame with the realization of this truth!

Hmmm. Saddam Hussien didn't believe in habeas corpus either.

Saddam Hussein is not in power in Iraq, now. We are. Abu Ghraib. Falluja and Ramadi, prison/cities. We are training death squads, not an army. The death and destruction, violation of civil and human rights we are committing in Iraq right now, this very moment, make Saddam Hussein's brutal tenure a short and ugly footnote. Prelude to slaughter of the most advanced sort. We are so far and away superior to him. We are America. God. We are responsible for the disappearance, torture and death of more Iraqis than he was. No charges, no counsel, no habeas corpus, no trials. He will get one for show, before we hang him. We will not afford the rest of Iraq that privilege. We are Saddam Hussein. The new, improved version. Saddam Husein is not a valid distraction from what WE are doing in Guantanamo and elsewhere in the world, nor is he an excuse. Like bush screaming "9-11, 9-11, 9-11!!!! Terriss, terriss, terriss!!!" Pay no attention to the nation behind that curtain.

One very obvious reason many Iraqi's don't like or trust the US, among very many reason, is that the US does stupid shit!

Such as, Abu Ghraib was one of Saddams torture prisons!
So, when the Iraqi's see the US using this place, where thousands went in alive and came out dead, they fear us!


The US has become the Saddam of Iraq!


Did you see the trophy movie of US contracted security gunning down Iraqi civilians??

My god! What have we become???

"My god! What have we become???"

Obvious. No more pretense, no more facade.

That's not good enough.
I refuse to accept it.
And I never will!

NOT IN MY NAME GOD DAMMIT!

Yes! Play time!

First, as it has been pointed out, I'm not Japanese, I'm Canadian.

Second, what the Japanese did was horrible, and I have posted in other forums about Japans war history, and its lack of atonement for it.

Thirdly, the US may not be beheading, but they are:

electrocuting
scaring with dogs
drowning
beating
humiliating
flushing Korans down the toilet
burning muslims and facing the corpses towards Mecca

Fourth, NO LAWS? You need to get a clue. There's a little paper called the Geneva Convention, that explains how to handle POW's (and YES, these people are POW's).

Joe, do us a favour. Go to the recuriting office and sign up for a tour or 3 in Iraq. Then, after you've gone there and done yoru duty, tell us how it is.

Thanks for coming out, chump.