simoncatholic
Tuesday, 4 October 2005, 4:23 am
The unrelenting rise in the number of undocumented immigrants in few of the states such as California, Florida, and New York is leading to the fastest growth (with respect to population) of these states. As a result, these states are granted more seats as seats in the U.S. House are reapportioned to all the states based on population changes after every census. States that that don't keep pace lose seats and also receives less federal funding. Moreover, this will reduce the tax payers of the nation compared to that of the population which is definitely going to impede American economy as stated in Weblobbying.com.
http://www.weblobbying.com/tilford/defaultlob.asp?Lid=360The issue is getting serious day by day and should be solved at the earliest…
Gadzooks!
Tuesday, 4 October 2005, 5:22 am
You're right, of course. Ever since the first Europeans immigrated illegally to this country there has been nothing but trouble. Go back where you came from. I would, in fact, like to thank you for posting this here. Everybody...school is in. This freeper has no interest in political or social discourse here. His interest is in starting a thread that is meant to be divisive. He would like to see "the liberals" squabbling over an issue that has already put moderate Democrats on opposite sides of the fence. Common tactic all the way up to the white house. The immigrants here in California, by the way, work and pay taxes without receiving many of the benefits of citizenship. They are probably providing the money to cover your dad's tax break. You may also note that their numbers have increased greatly since NAFTA and now CAFTA. We have arranged things economically so that if they stay in their country of birth they will starve. This provides corporate America with cheap labor that can be deported and otherwise oppressed. It is meant to depress the value of labor, as well as provide a convenient scapegoat. Keeps the unions pissed off at the immigrants (who do work you wouldn't or couldn't) instead of at the government and its corporate masters. Corporations benefit all around from their presence - their labor, their "disposability" and their use as a political wedge and decoy, to keep the light from being focused on the real problem - the corporations, themselves. You are fishing for latent minutemen, so you can stir up some shit and sit back and watch. We are working on a unified Left here, and you are providing an important lesson.
shoeless
Tuesday, 4 October 2005, 10:18 am
You won't any arguement from this lefty, Zooks. Where do these regressives get the idea that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. In fact, they pay all of the taxes that every American pays including Social Security, from which they will never collect benefits. These workers are hardly "undocumented", as Simon puts it. The IRS knows exactly where they are, but they do not share that information with the INS, because they do not want to lose an important revenue stream. Also, if these immigrants are "undocumented" then they would have no effect on reapportionment of House seats.
sky of mind
Tuesday, 4 October 2005, 1:31 pm
I believe immigration is an issue that should be addressed.
At it's source, the root cause!
If Mexico were a prosperous country as the US is,
why should they want come here to work as illegals?
Why don't we have as many Canadians risking as much?
But then, that's so anti-American!
Profit is an American right!
And then again,
how would Americans complain if the price of their fruits and veggies trippled?
Or would the mega farmers simply absorb the extra cost of paying a reasonable wage to American citizens?
In lousiana cops stood on the bridge and said to the poor blacks attemting to flee the flood,
NO! You cannot come into OUR neighborhood because it's better than yours!
We don't care if you drown! YOu will not cross this bridge!
Isn't that exactly the same situation?
This culture of greed is just so wrong, and counter productive too!
bob.appleyard
Wednesday, 5 October 2005, 11:23 am
Immediately before Poland joined the EU a couple of years ago loads of racists (i.e. a vast majority of the newspapers) in the UK media started going nuts, saying we'd all be drowning under a tide of nasty eastern Europeans. This provoked panic in some towns, with rumours flying everywhere about eastern Europeans raping women and shooting people.
In the year following Polish entry to the EU, the number of people coming from Poland decreased with only about 50,000 coming in. Furthermore, more people left the UK and returned to Poland.
It's often just as tough leaving a country as entering it, and deportations are fantastically long-winded and expensive. Many migrants do not intend to stay in the country they enter, only meaning to go there for work. This is because people tend to prefer the country they were born in. It's only natural.
shoeless
Wednesday, 5 October 2005, 12:00 pm
QUOTE(bob.appleyard @ Wednesday, 5 October 2005, 11:23 am)
Many migrants do not intend to stay in the country they enter, only meaning to go there for work. This is because people tend to prefer the country they were born in. It's only natural.
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I used to work weekends landscaping for my brother-in-law. Most of his crew were illegal immigrants from Mexico. They were hard working, salt of the earth people. Most of them had wives and children back home. They sent evey nickle they could spare to their families. Almost every one of them had the same goal, that was to save enough money to return to Mexico and buy land for a farm.
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