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Clemtastic
Hi. I am an angry but increasingly resigned american from Utah. I am in a state of hatred for humanity. SO....hey.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Clemtastic @ Monday, 3 October 2005, 8:47 am)
Hi. I am an angry but increasingly resigned american from Utah. I am in a state of hatred for humanity. SO....hey.
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Sorry, but none if these things make you a liberal.

Time tells all!
Clemtastic
Well, I dispise religion, am learning to dispise the religious, feel that the answers to most of the problems I seeas facing our society and humanity at large are diametrically opposed to the judeo/christian ethic we have been taught to worship. I see my child being taught to react instead of act by a school system designed to maintain a military industrial complex by the religious and elitist. I want to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and educate the idiots. I want to allow people aho don't want to waork to live without working at a fixed income and let those of us who do want to work get out there and work and make the kind of money we like to pretend we can make by getting out there and working, safe ion the knowledge that if we fail we don't have to live in a fucking box under a viaduct.

I knew there were no serious WMDs in Iraq back when knowing meant something. I know the "war" on terror is shitty propaganda, that you can't fight a war on something that is not a nation. I know that we use our military in exactly the way we can't to do exactly what we shouldn't and we fail every single time because of it. I do not hold the military personell up as heros or patriots, but people who do a fucking job that they get paid for and chose to do. I do not hate them or even dislike them, and I am glad they are there, even if we can't find a real use for them, but they are not better, more noble people than the garbage man or the burger flipper simply because they do a job that begins and ends at killing and dying.

I don't blame Bush for being a criminal. I blame you and I for not doing anything about the fact that we had to choose between a craven asshole and a fratboy ballsacker for president of my country. I blame us for allowing the school system to get so fucking bad that many people who are supposed to be able to raise children can't even figure out the creationism is not fucking science.

I hate us. America is a failure. I am looking for the next step.
POAC
I'd say you are clued in and pissed off. But that still doesn't make you a liberal. There are a lot of clued in pissed off conservatives, too.
Clemtastic
I like porn, and I admit it.

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sky of mind
QUOTE(Clemtastic @ Monday, 3 October 2005, 12:51 pm)
I like porn, and I admit it.

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How does this apply to the string?
Having a libido means yer red or blue?


Clue,
A Progressive Liberal likes people, and thinks people have value.
We aren't all religious, but can still have great respect for those who are!

A Progressive is tollerant.
One of the few things I simply can't tollerate, is intollerance!

A Progressive doesn't have to have all the answers,
but will invariably know where to get what ever information they need.

A Progressive may be of strong opinion,
and still be open minded.

A Progressive understands that we humans don't own the planet,
we are only it's guardians, and must respect the mother!

A Progressive is an independant thinker that makes an excellent team player!

and on and on and on........
Clemtastic
It was the "I admit it" that gave me away.
Gadzooks!
Porn is a very Republican thing. Look at the major distribution of subcription print media porno...red states.
Clemtastic
QUOTE(Gadzooks! @ Monday, 3 October 2005, 9:15 pm)
Porn is a very Republican thing. Look at the major distribution of subcription print media porno...red states.
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I don't know that I disagree, but I think it's more liberal to admit porn is a hoot and that you enjoy it. COns tend to get their satisfaction playing hide and seek with it.

But, like I said, you will decide if I am liberal or not. I am fascinated with war, too. So I may be a crazy conservative bastard for all I know.
soon2b
You certainly have a wonderful sense of humor!
Clemtastic
QUOTE(soon2b @ Wednesday, 5 October 2005, 6:47 pm)
You certainly have a wonderful sense of humor!
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And a humorous sense of wonder.

I always believed I was liberal because compared to me all the people I knew were conservative. I live in Utah, though. I have been wandering the net for a few years now and seeing that the entire world is not like it is here in my state. And I notice that those on the left are nearly as stupid, fucked up and conservative as those on the right I am so familiar with. Same team, different jerseys. The left i dientify with is the left of Chomskey and Biafra. Those are the two lefties that I have read and listened to that most reflect my thoughts and ideas, although Biafra is also hilariously paranoid in my oppinion.

At the same time, if I were at war I would want all my generals to be Pattons. There is a time and a place for ruthless barbarity, and I know it. My hope was that the time and place were known to be so revolting that we as a nation would never again make war with candy-assed countries like Iraq. My hope was that my fellow citizens, who have the most incredible availablity to knowledge and reason in the history of mankind, would proudly wear the mantle of democracy and liberty and demand leaders of the highest intellectual caliber. That they would see war for what it is, religion for what it is, and an economy for what it is.

I was born middle class, raised welfare poor and have built a life that I once could only have dreamed of by working and thinking and holding myself to a set of principals quite a few moralists would be proud of. But mainly I built it out of a sense of revenge. I hated my community so much for how it treated my family when we left the middle classes for the cellar classes that I was determined to shove their contempt in their faces by making a life they would envy out of a life they shit on.

And the truth is I have nothing but contempt for my life. I dispise insitiutional marriage and my wifeand I are celebrating our 19th year together. I dispise consumerism yet I type this on a lovely PC in a lovely split level surrounded by two cars and all the choips and dip you could ask for. I dispise the suburban ethic and I write this from deep in it's interior. I dispise the building of five million dollar shacks on coastal property while hundreds of thousands of my fellow citizens can't afford a decent place to live and I make my living designing five million dollar shacks on beachfront property. I dispise living for the sake of living alone yet I am past my reproductive years and don't slit my wrists in a warm bath.

I feel like I am Bob the Enzyte guy and the elitist punks who loathe him at the same time. And I want to do something about it. And I will be fucked if I know what or how or why or even if I really DO want to do something about it.

When I was drinking and smoking and looking for a quick end to it all...twelve, I believe, I saw Carl Sagan's Cosmos. And I was so deeply moved that I went ahead and lived. Now they are running it, updated on the science channel as a twentyfive year anniversary special and I watch it and I feel I chose wrongly. I look at the world, my country and I mourn my choice. ANother fat, angry middleaged man trying to quit anti-depressants so he can feel all the self hate and disgust he swallowed whole at twelve because Carl Sagan was the Jesus who existed to a little kid that started to believe that people might just be saveable after all.

Carl is dead and I feel like I am ina Warner Brothers cartoon, turning into a "sucker" as I stand slackjawed and watch Bush NOT be elected but RE-ELECTED!

And I guess the internet has become my suicidal child's chance to scream at my fat lazy adult. And you get to watch the fun. Because I love you. smile.gif
soon2b
Life has no other discipline to impose, if we would but realize it, than to accept life unquestioningly. Everything we shut our eyes to, everything we run away from, everything we deny, denigrate or despise, serves to defeat us in the end. What seems nasty, painful, evil, can become a source of beauty, joy and strength, if faced with an open mind. Every moment is a golden one for him who has the vision to recognize it as such."
-- Henry Miller (1891-1980),
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