What the Euro-Constitution says, and what that means to states and citizens:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2950276.stm

A timeline of the lead-up to the EU and its formation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3583801.stm

And here are a few words on the quest for a common EU identity, and the delicate balance of commonality and sovereignty at play:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3945001.stm

No big nefarious oppressive conspiracy afoot here. Just the democratic/co-operative process at work, all the way.

Sorry, conspiracy theorists and Euroskeptics!

'Bina.

Bina's trying to confuse us with facts again.

It's gotta be the NWO!

Is tinfoil better than aluminum?

Your forgot this BBC Link

It must be very frightening to live in your reality. As if real-reality isn't bad enough... sheesh!

Rev before you poke fun perhaps you should read about it first. There is a great book by Thomas P.M. Barnett called The Pentagons New Map: War and Peace in the 21st century, its a great analysis of how our military and strategic planning is accomplishing the goals of globilization.

Or you can just sit back and contunue to think im mental, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Pardon me for having a little fun--I apologize in advance

I was wondering ---who voted for the Euro?

Eh-----no one voted for it? OH--a commitee decided to create the Euro--
Well who voted for the committee?

Why is GLobalism inevitable?

HOw far back (in history) does this phrase go--?--transnational economic alliances----

What would, or could, be the alternate to Globalism?

I'm just curious--- LOL

Well, the alternative would be every individual one for himself, but that kinda didn't work out. Gets to be too expensive when everyone's gotta pave and maintain his own private roads and police them himself to keep unauthorized users off 'em, y'know. And then there's the matter of disputes; no one can resolve 'em when there's no law...

Societies tend to form by consensus, which certainly beats a use of force. Most countries voted to bring in the Euro because it made things a lot easier. The few holdouts are probably feeling the isolation right now. Even in "Euro-skeptical" Britain, a lot of merchants adopted the currency and made it optional, even when their government stalled. No sense for them in pretending that the Chunnel never existed.

'Bina.

An alternative: National economic Soveriegnty.

Every time this trans-national Economic alliance crap comes down the pike---the same crap keeps happening

Dutch-Late 1300's early 1400's--largest fleet of ocean going ships--6000.
Craftsmen and tradesmen that are the envy of the world--a healthy and vigorous middle class that is the envy of the world. Progressive tax system.

Then came the Tulip scandel of 1427 IIRC--amidst an era of---Lowered manufacturing goods share of GNP and and increase in the Share of GNP from Financial serivices, increased disparity of wages/rich & Poor. And talk of "trans-national-economic-alliances----we just call it Globalism--these days.

Remember NYC used to be called New AMsterdam. Think of the Dutch---LOL.
Spain--ditto
Porteguese--ditto
British-ditto

National economic Soveriegnty, we (the US) had a lot of that prior to OHHHH the 70's.

1950's & 1960's USA---Labor unions power @ its zenith--USA the manufacturing center of the world---USA vigorous middle class--the envy of the world---Hi tax rates--progressive--top personall tax rate 86%--corp/ taxes like 50% -60%.
And we attracted all the cool guys who invented stuff-------this was the place to be---

Don't confuse the European Union with global CORPORATISM. It is not a trade treaty, nor is it a transnational corporation--it is a banding together of nation-states that covers much more than trade. The EU is not just there to make life easier for corporations (although that will probably be one if its fringe effects); it's not just another NAFTA. It's also a joint force for upholding human rights (not just any country with a crappy record and slipshod laws can get in--unlike NAFTA, where the shittier you are, the better!), criminal policing (which should make things harder for crooked corporations and people smugglers, once things get rolling), and the open borders (which are as much for benefit of travellers as anyone else).

In Germany, for example, everyone gets vacations at around the same time of year, so the Autobahns are often gridlocked with holidayers. How much worse that would be if everyone had to wait long hours at the borders, as they did in the past, before getting to southern France, Spain, Italy or Greece! The EU's open-border policy is there to help ease that congestion, among other things. It also helps those who live on one side of a border and work on the other. And the use of the common currency is also intended to end that annoying business of running to the bank to buy foreign dinero everytime you want to spend a weekend in the next country over.

So it's nothing like those bad old situations you outlined; it's something we've never seen before. (Unless you maybe count the banding together of the early American colonies, to form the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...sound familiar to anyone???)

'Bina.

why is it nutter to think a new world order is in the making?

it certainly is- and big business in the US is making damn sure it happens- cheaper labor...

but i also wonder this-

why do some assume that globilization (or a 'new world order' as some call it) is a bad thing?

what is wrong with the concept that the whole world could actually live at peace and have one united government?

-t-

Exactly. Why not globalize peace and human rights, rather than just commerce? Why is THAT somehow a bad (or unrealistic) thing? Why not have a global police force, to eliminate the jurisdictional mess that keeps so many transnational crimes from being solved? Wouldn't a single world organization help streamline what would otherwise remain a hopeless snarl?

'Bina.

Oh, that's so EVIL!

'Bina.

Religion may be a driving factor for some but Im opposed to one world goverment becasue I dont want some forign nation holding any power or control over me, my goverment has more than enough already.

As far as world peace, Im all for it but aslong as profits are to be made from wars we dont need to worry about something as trivial as world peace.

As I recall, wasn't the UN trying its damnedest to keep the US out of Iraq? And wasn't it basically MANACLED (by the likeliest of suspects) to PREVENT it from doing just that?

'Bina.