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King Fisher
I'm going to insert this in the "Latest News" column.. To me it's a wake up call.

I made a thread on Wed. 8/3 titled "How we should run America".. I received a PM from Dave (member here) correcting me on the name Democrat Party. I'm not in the mood to be corrected. Specifically when no correction is due.
Dave, was referring to the name I gave as the Democrat Party, and he corrected me in it's the "Democratic Party"..

Somewhere in the last twenty or so years, some asshole or a number of them decided to change the name of the Grand Old Party.. THE DEMOCRAT PARTY...To the Democratic Party.

According to Dave's message he sent, using the name Democrat party is reference to Nazisms. Or in a form of such..


It seems our fellow Republicans has promoted this change, for the fact they now refer to their ideas as "democratic" or we now live in a "democratic society".. Would this be the way they have changed American? Going about telling all they now are now the party of a democratic society. Maybe, this is the real reason we have lost our party voters in the south, and elsewhere.

I'm going to do some Goggle checking on when the name was changed. It had to be done since Lyndon Johnson was President.

If my memory serves me correctly, the ballots in the last election did say. Democrat party.

I welcome any comments here. And Dave I'm not upset over you correcting me on this. Only that you have pointed out to me.


JayHawk
I'm not sure google or the interNet is the right library for this bit of research. After all, the interNet hasn't been around very long and it is manipulatable. My first google search ( for democrat party ) results showed

The Democratic Party
www.democrats.org/

...so.....even they have it wrong. Then a few lower in the first search results you've got

English Democrats Party :: England United
www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/ (now when it comes to English, the English know more than we do)

Kansas Democratic Party
www.ksdp.org/ (having been born and raised in Kansas, I can assure you, these people have no idea of right and wrong)

Page two of my search results shows a bingo......

Connecticut Democrat Party
www.ctdems.org/


My analysis results : by jolly you're right. Some have itright and most have it wrong. When this happened ?

I'm expanding my search to read "democrat party" vs. "democratic party".

Results ;

Daily Kos: Bush panders
I mean seriously - Democrat Party versus Democratic Party? How bout this: one
sounds right and the other sounds wrong.... Man...my prediction was so wrong I ...
www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/27/19538/076 - 103k -
(is that you King Fisher?)

Repub Party? Can and Should the Democrat Party Strike Back?
The Democratic Party is one of the oldest political organizations in the world.
... While the words "Democrat Party" ought to make the speaker look like an ...
www.phil.unt.edu/~hargrove/repub.htm - 9k - Cached - Similar pages

MyDD :: What's Up With the "Democrat Party"
"Democrat Party" doesn't wear as well on the ears as "Democratic Party", ...
Incidently, I'm having a bit of trouble seeing that "Democrat Party" vs. ...
www.mydd.com/story/2005/4/10/13367/5497 - 76k - Cached - Similar pages

:: BlackElectorate.com ::
And the Democrat Party has its own history to deal with too, too. ... The Republican
Party racism and Democratic Party benevolence debate is a smokescreen. ...
www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=762 - 23k - Cached - Similar pages

The Democratic Party
That needs to be our message, so voters will see a Democrat Party really wanting to
... and properly frame it as the American Taliban vs Democratic Party. ...
www.democrats.org/a/2005/07/sandra_day_ocon.php - 58k - 2 Aug 2005 - Cached - Similar pages


So there you have it. The question is not new. The attempt to induce awareness of the fact the name has been changed is new....on this Forum, methinks.
folkie
King Fisher, JayHawk, you're both wrong.

There is only one correct spelling and it applies to both parties:

C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E








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POAC
QUOTE(folkie @ Thursday, 4 August 2005, 12:58 pm)
King Fisher, JayHawk, you're both wrong.

There is only one correct spelling and it applies to both parties:

C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E
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heh heh, Nice!

But there are a few non-corporatists in the democra...
democati...

Dem's party

sky of mind
QUOTE(JayHawk @ Thursday, 4 August 2005, 12:43 pm)
I'm not sure google or the interNet is the right library for this bit of research. After all, the interNet hasn't been around very long and it is manipulatable. My first google search ( for democrat party ) results showed

The Democratic Party
www.democrats.org/

...so.....even they have it wrong. Then a few lower in the first search results you've got

English Democrats Party :: England United
www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/  (now when it comes to English, the English know more than we do)

Kansas Democratic Party
www.ksdp.org/  (having been born and raised in Kansas, I can assure you, these people have no idea of right and wrong)

Page two of my search results shows a bingo......

Connecticut Democrat Party
www.ctdems.org/
My analysis results : by jolly you're right. Some have itright and most have it wrong. When this happened ?

I'm expanding my search to read "democrat party" vs. "democratic party".

Results ;

Daily Kos: Bush panders
I mean seriously - Democrat Party versus Democratic Party? How bout this: one
sounds right and the other sounds wrong.... Man...my prediction was so wrong I ...
www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/27/19538/076 - 103k -
(is that you King Fisher?)

Repub Party? Can and Should the Democrat Party Strike Back?
The Democratic Party is one of the oldest political organizations in the world.
... While the words "Democrat Party" ought to make the speaker look like an ...
www.phil.unt.edu/~hargrove/repub.htm - 9k - Cached - Similar pages

MyDD :: What's Up With the "Democrat Party"
"Democrat Party" doesn't wear as well on the ears as "Democratic Party", ...
Incidently, I'm having a bit of trouble seeing that "Democrat Party" vs. ...
www.mydd.com/story/2005/4/10/13367/5497 - 76k - Cached - Similar pages

:: BlackElectorate.com ::
And the Democrat Party has its own history to deal with too, too. ... The Republican
Party racism and Democratic Party benevolence debate is a smokescreen. ...
www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=762 - 23k - Cached - Similar pages

The Democratic Party
That needs to be our message, so voters will see a Democrat Party really wanting to
... and properly frame it as the American Taliban vs Democratic Party. ...
www.democrats.org/a/2005/07/sandra_day_ocon.php - 58k - 2 Aug 2005 - Cached - Similar pages
So there you have it. The question is not new. The attempt to induce awareness of the fact the name has been changed is new....on this Forum, methinks.
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My guess is that over time both have been folded into each other like salt water taffy.

Their may in fact be a seperating differance, but the general public, (including me) has forgotten or doesn't know what they might be!

I think in this case, the perception has been what defines it!



So, maybe we need to reestablish the deffinitions?
King Fisher
Here is something on the subject..




Disgruntled Arizona Democrats Decamp!

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Whatever Happened to the Old Democrat Party?
Saying "NO!" to your old political party can be a tough thing to do -- especially if you're nostalgic for "the way things usta be." The Democrat Party today isn't anything at all like it was in the days of F.D.R. -- or especially Thomas Jefferson!

But saying "NO!" right now, in the loudest way you can -- with your VOTE -- is the best medicine for the Democrat Party by far.
Call it "tough love." But don't forget that, with VoteBuddy, you aren't damaging the chances for a Democrat win! Instead, you're telling them to straighten up their act -- and you're telling them how to do it, too. Your vote for a particular third party says you're more in line with their position on the issues than you are with the Democrat Party's. If the Dems want your vote next time, they'll have to move back in your direction.

Meanwhile, there are a number of third parties out there, anxiously waiting to help you send that message! You can learn more about them, if you like, below.


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folkie
QUOTE(POAC @ Thursday, 4 August 2005, 1:01 pm)
heh heh, Nice!

But there are a few non-corporatists in the democra...
democati...

Dem's party
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True. I haven't gotten around to changing my registration yet, so I'm a non-corporatist Dem. And I know of a few elected officials like Conyers, Waters, Lee, etc., who are Democrats but aren't corporatists. Thing is, I've never seen them get much support from their party. They're all true leaders, but how many of them have leadership positions in their party? There are probably a few non-corporatist Republicans too. Some of them have been quite outspoken and refused to follow their party line on various issues. But they're not capable of changing their party's agenda either.

When I see a political party articulate a agenda that includes things like opposing corporate "personhood," denying corporations the right to participate in our political process, insisting on strict corporate liability, and refusing corporate donations, I'll admit that it is a non-corporate party. I think the Greens get two out of four of those, so even they don't qualify.

Waylon Jenning was wrong. There's more than "a dime's worth of difference," between the corporate parties. There are millions of dollars worth of difference, but that's the only difference there is. A corporation's first duty is to its bottom line, no matter how much harm ensues as a consequence. A corporate party's first duty is also to its bottom line, no matter how much harm ensues as a consequence. I happen to believe that the reason that Kerry conceded early and didn't demand recounts is because he knew it would be expensive if he spent that money the way he'd promised, and he preferred to give some of it to the Democratic Party and use some for his own future campaigns, no matter how much harm ensued to the country and the political process as a consequence.

When the song says, "Take the money and run," it could very well be referring to corporate politics in America. cool.gif
tamara
QUOTE(folkie @ Thursday, 4 August 2005, 12:58 pm)
King Fisher, JayHawk, you're both wrong.

There is only one correct spelling and it applies to both parties:

C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E
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LOL unfortunately, some truth to that- but not completely true. there's SOME reason that the DEMOCRAT party is getting much less support from corporate america!

king, i didn't know that- so i called up my grandad. he said he always called it the 'democrat' party. i like the way it sounds better. maybe it would be a really great publicity move if somebody set up a DEMOCRAT party that would stand up for the real issues-

-t-
folkie
QUOTE(tamara @ Thursday, 4 August 2005, 5:00 pm)
there's SOME reason that the DEMOCRAT party is getting much less support from corporate america!
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Yup. It isn't their turn to hold power. When Dems are in power, they get the bulk of the corporate dough. Corporations buy legislation and whichever corporate legislators are in power sell it to them. Corporations don't waste money on legislators with nothing to sell. They do prefer the Rs, because they tend to be more corporate, but they'll happily support the Ds (when it is the Ds turn) because the Ds are only less corporate, not anti-corporate.

This is still a fascist country and our government is run for the corporations and by the corporations. The purpose of having an evil party and a lesser evil party is to keep people from having any bona fide anti-corporate alternatives. But with the exception of a minority of lonely heros on both sides, legislation benefits corporations and hurts ordinary people no matter which party is in power.

Do you remember Winona LaDuke who was Nader's running mate in 2000? LaDuke wrote my favorite book of all time: "All Our Relations." It makes it quite clear that our foreign policy has never changed no matter which party was in power, and that corporate exploitation continues no matter which party is in power. According to today's news, seven people were just killed in Peru for attempting to stop a mining company from poisoning their rivers. Iraq, by which I mean invading people with no justification, killing them, and taking their resources, is nothing new--that's how this country was founded. That's the business we're in.

A historical perspective is an interesting thing to have. During the Viet Nam war I was in India and I knew a Cambodian monk who was opposed to the war. So when I saw a newpaper headline saying, "War Ends In Viet-Nam," I bought the paper and hurried over to his ashram to show it to him. He glanced at it, smiled at me, and said, "I am Cambodian. We have been at war for 2,000 years. It is not going to end." And then came Pol Pot. cool.gif
JayHawk
QUOTE(King Fisher @ Thursday, 4 August 2005, 11:34 pm)
But saying "NO!" right now, in the loudest way you can -- with your VOTE -- is the best medicine for the Democrat Party by far.
Call it "tough love." But don't forget that, with VoteBuddy, you aren't damaging the chances for a Democrat win! Instead, you're telling them to straighten up their act -- and you're telling them how to do it, too. Your vote for a particular third party says you're more in line with their position on the issues than you are with the Democrat Party's. If the Dems want your vote next time, they'll have to move back in your direction.
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Exactly. This is how it's currently working in Germany and it can work in the USA. 3rd parties are the crowbar of more vibrant politics. This next election in Germany will show a migration of votes further to the left -with a brand new party made up of union vets and the pds - a socialist party mainly made up of former east German leftists / socialists. The new party, WASG is also being backed by the large unions. So there we have a strong movement to the left, putting pressure on the SPD/Green coaltion.

The CDU/CSU/FDP coalition, conservatives for the most part will lose votes to parties futher right on the spectrum - the NDP, a neo-Nazi party e.g.

These drifts act to reshape the political field. Without the 3rd parties, the wouldn't be as much colour in the spectrum.

In my opinion, Americans need to hear the wakeup call and use their right to vote for a 3rd party as long as the Democrat party is not providing the proper platform.
This is why I won't be voting for Hillary. Nope, ain't gonna do it.

My afilliation here is with this new Workers party WASG and I'll be plugging for them as best as I can.....I cannot cast a vote....as I'm not a German citizen. Nor am I allowed to vote for communal elections as I'm not a EU citizen. All I can do is work to influence others, such as european members of my family.

Here's alink to the WASG......albut in German : http://www.w-asg.de/

edit to add a link to an article about the WASG in English...written by a Russian :
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2005/08/04/007.html

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Exodus to the Left

By Boris Kagarlitsky

For the orderly Germans, early elections like the ones planned for this September are something truly out of the ordinary. However, the biggest sensation is being caused not by the break in the normal schedule of elections or even in the practically inevitable defeat of the Social Democrats now in power. The German press has been madly discussing the appearance of a new party on the political scene, the Leftist Party, or LinksPartei, which, according to polls, has the support of 10 percent of the national electorate.

The new party sprang from the Party of Democratic Socialism, which was most successful in eastern Germany and won some surprising electoral victories in the early 1990s. Several months ago, no one would have gone on record saying that the Leftists would get enough votes nationwide to make it into the Bundestag. But today, the Leftist Party has a chance of becoming the third-largest party in Germany and the most important political force in eastern Germany, edging out not only the Social Democrats but the potential victors in the coming elections, the Christian Democrats, as well.

The party's huge jump in popularity reflects changes in the political atmosphere in Germany that have long been brewing beneath the surface.

In the mid-1990s, the demoralized leaders of the social-democratic movement in Western Europe finally gave up and put themselves at the mercy of the conservatives. Following the banal old adage "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em," the leaders of left-wing parliamentary parties one after another turned into supporters of private enterprise and the free market. Basically, they decided that while keeping their old social-democratic label and core voters, they should take up the political and economic agenda of the right and become more or less identical to neo-liberal parties.

From the elite's point of view, a party of this sort would even have certain advantages over classical conservatives. It would mean the same people who should be defending the social safety net were dismantling it.

This upset voters who had long been loyal to the left, but this did not worry the leaders of the parties in Europe's parliaments. They reasoned that leftist voters had nowhere else to go, since they would never go right. Moreover, trade unions remained under the strict control of the party bureaucracy.

However, it turns out that the social-democratic electorate's patience has come to an end. Activists have abandoned Chancellor Gerhard Schroder's party en masse. The exodus was led by former minister and Social Democratic Party chair, Oskar Lafontaine. The disgruntled SPD members created a movement with the clunky name of Wahlalternative Arbeit und Soziale Gerechtigkeit, or WASG, often called the Labor and Social Justice Party in English. As the situation unfolded, Schroder decided to cut his losses and hold early elections. He hoped the WASG would not have time in the remaining two or three months to get organized. He hoped that the westerners who formed the party's core would never be able to come to an agreement with the easterners from the Party of Democratic Socialism, the successor to the communist Socialist Unity Party, or SED, which ruled East Germany until 1989.

Schroder hoped in vain. The westerners and easterners merged as fast as they could. The PDS took on a new name, Linkspartei, and opened its party lists to WASG candidates. East met west.

The large-scale departure of union activists from Schroder's party reflects the growing political gap between the Social Democrats, who have snuggled up to neo-liberalism, and the organized labor movement. This means that the projects of leaders like Schroder and British Prime Minister Tony Blair no longer have any point.

While the Leftist Party has gotten a boost from the crisis in social democracy, it has nonetheless managed to create plenty of problems for itself. The PDS's performance in regional governments in eastern Germany has confused many of its supporters, as regional socialist ministers seem to be little different from their capitalist colleagues.

However, at the moment, voters seem more than happy to forgive the leftists for their faults as a way of punishing the SPD. The party's overhaul has spawned new hopes. Even many supporters who left the PDS are now returning to the fold.

Theoretically, the situation may not prove half bad for the Social Democrats. The voters they lose will not look further to the right, after all. Consequently, the Christian Democrats will not be able to get enough votes, even if taken together with the liberals, to form a coalition on their own. They will be forced to turn to the Social Democrats who remain in government to work together. Nothing is preventing this coalition from forming. Significant ideological differences have long ceased to exist between the Social Democrats and the right.

However, participation in this kind of coalition may spell political disaster for the Social Democrats in the future. The SPD will once again be forced to answer for the policies this government will likely pursue, policies that will undermine the social safety net. And the role of opposition force will go to the Leftists.


Boris Kagarlitsky is director of the Institute for Globalization Studies.

JayHawk
Warning ; do not read the above article word for word if you do not wish to learn something today. I recommend you jump to the watercooler and chill out there instead.

Don't read it folks ! It could be dangerous.

An exodus to the left. East meets West. Leftists with 10% !!!

YES !
Dave
QUOTE(King Fisher @ Thursday, 4 August 2005, 10:26 am)

I welcome any comments here.    And Dave I'm not upset over you correcting me on this.  Only that you have pointed out to me.
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Hey KF, I certainly didn't mean any disrespect, certainly after teh Thugs (Nazis, thugs, my way of saying Republican haha) intentionally beating the meme of "Democrat" Party for at least 15 years.

All you need to hear is Anne Coulter saying "Democrat Party". It'll make you puke.

Though not an elder like you Captain (that impresses the hell out of me btw), I was raised next door from my FDR Democrat Grandparents, having raised a family during the 30's. They were Democrats. They belonged to the Democratic party. Perhaps you recall a regional difference than mine from your past where Democrat Party was in use. That could be.

All I do know is it is intentionally used by the thugs so as not to project the positive image of Democratic when accusing us of something they've done or are doing. I have seen it used by Liberals all about too, having had it autonomically drummed into their heads by the wurlitzer's repetition.

Anyway, glad this is getting cleared up, hopefully to your satisfaction.
King Fisher
tamara, it was known as the Democrat Party, just as your Granddad said. I guess I'm a day late and dollar short on when the name changed or when they started using the name "Democratic".

We old timers can remember when it was called the Democrat Party.. I don't know why it was changed, the word Democratic doesn't have that proud, grandstand pride about it..

I also called a elderly statesman in Missouri, who was a Democrat Party chairman for over 40 years in the party. He tells me it was changed in the 1970's by Ted Kennedy and Richard Gerhardt and a few others.

So much for what the Grand Old Party once stood for.. Maybe that is the reasons we now are outside looking in..
JayHawk
I'm not old enough to know but old enough to learn. Thanks for the correction my friend. Much appreciated. I've taken note. From here on, it's Democrat Party. A Party of Democrats with democratic ideals.

King Fisher
Just yesterday, I read a news article on Evan Bayh, Senator of Indiana, Jayhawk.. They referred him as "Democratic Senator" Evan Bayh.

Since this all came up on the name, I have called several old Democrats, and they too are upset over the name "Democratic". It seems the Republicans may have forced the Democrats to make this change. Now wouldn't you think, we are following the dog with the wagging tail?
Dave
Democratic party

The Democratic party of the United States is one of the oldest surviving political organizations in the world. Formally established as a national organization by the Democratic Republican national nominating convention in Baltimore, Md., in May 1832, the party rechristened itself Democratic at its third national convention in May 1840. Together with the Republican party, the Democratic party continues to be one of the two major political parties of the nation.

Since 1840
King Fisher
Where did you get that information, Dave?

If this is coming from the Internet, you will get no mentioned of the Democrat Party of old. Since it was once called the Democrat Party, the Internet has inserted the name change on all reading materials. As you will read through history books, there is no mentioned of the "Democratic Party".

Yes!, Yes, the Democrat Party was establised in 1840, however, it was not called the Democratic Party as the Republicans has listed.

King Fisher
The Internet has made a mistake it seems. Here is a showing of the Whitley County Democrat Party


This wed site still list the name.. Democrat party. Must be something wrong here... As just about every site shows it the other way.

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"If when you get into bed at night and you think back over your day's deeds, and little or nothing was done to insure a Democrat Victory, then it's time to get back out of bed and get to work!"

Joe Andrew



Past National Chairman

Democrat National Committee



"The politics of exclusion lead to the politics of defeat." Robin Winston



"John F. Kennedy on Liberalism"

Liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. It's strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends, and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies.

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollars, then the record of this party and it's members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal."

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who look's ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people ---- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties ----- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal!"

President John F. Kennedy



The Whitley County Democrat Central Committee



Brent Litherland, Chairman

Marjorie L. Warnick, Vice Chairman

Dave Crabill, Secretary

Tim Bloom, Treasurer



If you would like to send a contribution to the Whitley County Democrat Party, Please do so by using the address below!!!

Whitley County Democrat Party

C/O Tim Bloom

119 S. Main St.

Columbia City IN. 46725

Or the Whitley County Democrat Party also has a new easy way of making direct contributions just click here and we will show you how easy it is.





Thomas R. Marshall

Thomas R. Marshall an Attorney by trade lived most of his adult life in Columbia City, In 1908 he was elected Governor of Indiana and served until 1912, he was then elected to serve as the 28th Vice-President under Woodrow Wilson from 1913 until 1921. The Thomas R. Marshall Home at 108 W. Jefferson St. is now the Home of The Whitley County Historical Museum.

Vice-President Marshall was famous for his saying "What this country needs is a good five cent cigar." and "There were once two brothers one went off to sea while the other became vice-president and neither was heard from again."

So in Vice President Marshall honor we hold the Thomas R. Marshall Dinner every September, to keep his memory alive.



Whitley County was the First County in the State of Indiana to have it's web page linked to the Indiana Democratic Party Web Page, as well as being the First County in Indiana to have it's Web Page Linked to Democrat National Committees Web Page. We in Whitley County are setting as or goal to be known around the State of Indiana as a Democrat County.




This web page authorized by the Whitley County Democrat Party,

Gregory W. Hockemeyer Chairman.

05/30/2005



http://democrat.whitleynet.org/

http://www.democrat.com/


NOTE: On the above site, please note the name..Democrat/Democratic Party..

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JayHawk
dictionary.com says "No entry found for democrat Party."

But think about it, the word democratic is an adjective. Democrat is a noun. A party of Democrats could be referred to as The Democrat Party. A democraitc Party is a Party which is democratic (adjective describing the type of affiliation).

Besides, we Americans have been raping the English Language for quite some time now.
sky of mind
QUOTE(JayHawk @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 8:31 am)
dictionary.com says "No entry found for democrat Party."

But think about it, the word democratic is an adjective. Democrat is a noun. A party of Democrats could be referred to as The Democrat Party. A democraitc Party is a Party which is democratic (adjective describing the type of affiliation).

Besides, we Americans have been raping the English Language for quite some time now.
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Agreed!
It sounds like an issue of symanics!

Otherwise, I don't really understand what all the hub bub is about?

Personally, I wonder which is of greater value?
Worrying about what name we should be using,
or worrying about getting the more conservative Liberals to fight for us
and generally, act a lot more like the loyal liberal opposition they should be?
Dave
QUOTE(King Fisher @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 5:57 am)
Where did you get that information, Dave?

If this is coming from the Internet, you will get no mentioned of the Democrat Party of old.  Since it was once called the Democrat Party, the Internet has inserted the name change on all reading materials.  As you will read through history books,  there is no mentioned of the "Democratic Party".

Yes!, Yes,  the Democrat Party was establised in 1840,  however, it was not called the Democratic Party as the Republicans has listed.

I'm was born and raised in Missouri.  The Show-Me States.    So show me the facts.
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That comes off the Grolier Encycopedia website. The link was in the words "since 1840". This is not some "internet" mumbo jumbo.

http://ap.grolier.com/article?assetid=0082...le/article.html

At their third convention in 1840 they became the DEMOCRATIC party.

I wish to god I had not PM'd you on this matter, or at least you had chosen to PM me back. I was only trying to be discreet and respectful. Now, this is ridiculous. Right now I am looking for the directive from the GOP to use "DEMOCRAT" to marginalize us and the Party "Brand" as focus group testing revealed that "DEMOCRATIC" evoked positive reactions. I have said that perhaps there is a regional difference or tradition you are recalling and that's fine. But it is the DEMOCRATIC party and it has been since 1840 and Ted Kennedy wasn't around then.

You want to call this party exactly what Anne Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity and every Gooper Politico you can name call it, you go right ahead. But personally, I think it plays right into their hands when we start incorporating their foul memes into our vocabulary, too.
Dave
More on this;

Sen. Joseph R. McCarthy used it in his live TV appearance on the first broadcast of "Face the Nation" on Nov. 7, 1954 (DVD in "Face the Nation," book by Bob Schieffer).

When Bob Dole revived the term "Democrat Party" during the 1976 presidential campaign, I recall hearing political commentators describe it as a throwback to the time of Joe McCarthy in the fifties. The quote above is from an anonymous comment at The Biscuit Report.

The usual cant response given by Republicans when challenged on this usage is that the Demcratic Party isn't really democratic, so it doesn't deserve the full adjective. In reality, this merely lowers political discourse to the level of the playground bully who tries to demean you by deliberately mispronouncing your name. (For the same reason, I disdain childish terms like "Rethuglican".)

I think we should be aggressive with those who leave the "ic" out of "Democratic Party". The California Republican Party has even gone so far as to edit others' quotes on its website to make them conform with the GOP's petty usage. If Republicans can't even get the official name of the opposition party right, can they do anything else right? Yes, I know. Rhetorical.


That discussion is Here

And from Kos;

For those who don't know, Republican pollsters have determined that "Democrat Party" sounds nastier than "Democratic Party".


Link Here

sky of mind
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 10:45 am)
Agreed!
It sounds like an issue of symanics!

Otherwise, I don't really understand what all the hub bub is about?

Personally, I wonder which is of greater value?
Worrying about what name we should be using,
or worrying about getting the more conservative Liberals to fight for us
and generally, act a lot more like the loyal liberal opposition they should be?
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See Above!

In other words, it's just a word!
I'm worried more about substance!

Words mean little, actions mean everything!

You, we, them and they can call it what ever the hell y'all want,
as long as it's doing what it is supposed to do!
Dave
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 12:01 pm)
See Above!

In other words, it's just a word!
I'm worried more about substance!

Words mean little, actions mean everything!

You, we, them and they can call it what ever the hell y'all want,
as long as it's doing what it is supposed to do!
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Words mean everything. If they didn't the GOOPERS wouldn't have been so successful with their manipulation of the language. See Gingrich's word list.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Dave @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 1:21 pm)
Words mean everything. If they didn't the GOOPERS wouldn't have been so successful with their manipulation of the language. See Gingrich's word list.
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Those words only work as long as there is an action to match them to.

We have the choice. Accept this match, or reframe it with a more accurate action!



We can literally take what ever words they choose to use, and make them our own!
This is in fact, exactly what they have done for almost 3 decades now!
Dave
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 12:24 pm)
Those words only work as long as there is an action to match them to.

We have the choice.  Accept this match, or reframe it with a more accurate action!
We can literally take what ever words they choose to use, and make them our own!
This is in fact, exactly what they have done for almost 3 decades now!
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Oh? Should we say the word "Liberal" with a sneer just like the goopers do?

Action means nothing, the Goops didn't act on anything in thei rmarginalization of Dems, they used word association to marginalize us in the minds of the electorate. My whole point is lets NOT let them have control of the language for ghawd's sakes.

Here's Newtie's words to use in conjunction with Democrats and their policies;



This is the list of negative words and phrases that GOP candidates were told to use when speaking about their opponents.

* "Compassion" is not enough.
* Anti-(issue) flag, family, child, jobs
* Betray
* Coercion
* Collapse
* Consequences
* Corruption
* Crisis
* Decay
* Deeper
* Destroy
* Destructive
* Devour
* Endanger
* Failure
* Greed
* Hypocrisy
* Ideological
* Impose
* Incompetent
* Insecure
* Liberal
* Lie
* Limit(s)
* Pathetic
* Permissive attitude
* Radical
* Self-serving
* Sensationalists
* Shallow
* Sick
* They/them
* Threaten
* Traitors
* Unionized bureaucracy
* Urgent
* Waste
King Fisher


Liberals Have Hi-Jacked The Democrat Party
By Gordon Bishop (07/27/04)

Once upon a time, the Democrat Party was a gutsy, credible political organization led by the likes of Presidents Andrew Jackson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and John Kennedy.

What happened?
sky of mind
QUOTE
Oh? Should we say the word "Liberal" with a sneer just like the goopers do?


I never suggested Monkey see monkey do.
But, when these Goops say the word and sneer, or snicker,

Then you can reply with........

"Damn straight Jack!"
Then SHOW them what a Liberal is!
Demonstrate your pride and give um a big ol ear to ear smile.

Associate the word with what YOU want it to be!


Never give the playground bully what he wants.
He'll simply do it again, and more!



I believe more and more those who trusted Bushco and followed the Republican party
into the situation we're in today, are realizing this very fact!

They were fooled by the words,
but not by the actions!


The Liberal Progressives WILL regain the political edge.
Because we don't rely on words.
American History is marbled with Progressive Liberal action!
Dave
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 1:32 pm)
I never suggested Monkey see monkey do.
But, when these Goops say the word and sneer, or snicker,

Then you can reply with........

"Damn straight Jack!"
Then SHOW them what a Liberal is!
Demonstrate your pride and give um a big ol ear to ear smile.

Associate the word with what YOU want it to be!
Never give the playground bully what he wants.
He'll simply do it again, and more!
I believe more and more those who trusted Bushco and followed the Republican party
into the situation we're in today, are realizing this very fact!

They were fooled by the words,
but not by the actions!
The Liberal Progressives WILL regain the political edge.
Because we don't rely on words.
American History is marbled with Progressive Liberal action!
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We need words that match actions. We do not need to use the repug's words to describe ourselves now do we. That's my point.

Further, we need language, effective and evocative language. People have little time, they have little inclination to delve into policy and its ramifications. People respond to language designed to sell them on products and ideas. If they didn't, then there would not be advertizing everywhere and the Goops would not be in complete control.

You are half right, Sky, actions are important but also remember liberals delivered and created the closest thing this country has ever had to an egalitarian society. The vast majority of people benefitted greatly and what happened? The goops came along with their language and the next thing you know all that Liberals had accomplished has been nearly destroyed.

We need action. We need effective language. We do not need to further the Thug meme and call ourselves the "Democrat" party. And that is what this thread is about. Period.
Seamus
QUOTE(King Fisher @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 2:27 pm)
Liberals Have Hi-Jacked The Democrat Party
By Gordon Bishop (07/27/04)

Once upon a time, the Democrat Party was a gutsy, credible political organization led by the likes of Presidents Andrew Jackson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and John Kennedy.

What happened?


What sort of Liberals is this Bishop guy talking about? Joe Lieberman? I dare say Mr. Bishop is somewhat confused.

Liberals Have Hi-Jacked The Democrat Party by Gordon Bishop (07/27/04)

To quote this right wing "scholar" Bishop...

QUOTE
Yes, America is divided.

Liberalism Vs Traditionalism.

It all comes down to liberal secularism (anti-religion, faith, God) Vs. Traditionalism (pro-religion, faith, God).

Liberals are “pro-choice” when it comes to abortion, same-sex marriage, and social-economic welfare.

Traditionalism is pro-life, marriage between a man and a woman, and less government, less taxes and more freedom for the people – the working taxpayers, those who accept individual responsibility, and accountability.

Liberalism is on the wrong side of history.

Traditionalism is on the right side of history.

Where do you stand?

For traditional American values? Or, against traditional American values?


There you have Gingrich style framing in a nutshell... Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and the rest of those evil Liberals were on the wrong side of history. They were traitors to the eternal truth, the true cause of "traditional" authoritarian values and ignorance.
folkie
The DNC web site is titled "The Democratic Party."

http://www.democrats.org/

I know because I just went there and used their contact form to send them my thoughts, which consisted of three words repeated 6 times:

SUPPORT CINDY SHEEHAN!

Sure hope they get the message. smile.gif
Dave
QUOTE(King Fisher @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 1:27 pm)
Liberals Have Hi-Jacked The Democrat Party
By Gordon Bishop (07/27/04)

Once upon a time, the Democrat Party was a gutsy, credible political organization led by the likes of Presidents Andrew Jackson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and John Kennedy.

What happened?
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I see, more republican meme spreading.

Reality check here, everyone of these men fought the forces of extreme privilege and stood for the benefit of the common citizen. That's liberal in my book and in most people's other than those generating these ludicrous Gooper TP's.

If you're a Democrat, please stop carrying the fascist's water for them.
tamara
QUOTE(Dave @ Sunday, 14 August 2005, 5:34 pm)


If you're a Democrat, please stop carrying the fascist's water for them.
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amen, brother. A-FUCKING-MEN.



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