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EugenicHegemony
The last poll was "NOT" locked "HERE". I forgot to edit that from the other sites SORRY!! These guys here are great, and wouldn't do that. They had locked it here!! http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/vi...t=34038&start=0
and a bunch of other places. Please make posts like these with polls and "SPREAD" them!!! I will vote on whatever site you put it on.

This poll should say who hates the "PEOPLES" freedom, as our imperial rulers/Gov don't apply.

Our "collective Gov the entire body says the terroris'ts hate our freedom. Whose the one taking them? Ron Paul seems to be the only man telling the truth, and he is Republican, what does that tell you "people"?

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
~George W Bush

Take a "CHANCE" people, stop being affraid. If this Gov was so great, and people were so happy losing their collective freedoms, it would be overwhelming that the terrorist's would be winning in this poll.

People know, and are affraid of what it may say. They know! Totalitarianism has been our Military industrial complex for years, they now "see" it's spilling into our civilian lives, and they are unsure of the future. The draft is comming back did you know that? Woman can now be drafted, and the age has been raised to 34, not many people know this.

First our Gov will try and "ENTICE" people with "prospects" of "PEACECORP" fantasies, when that doesn't work the draft will begin, and kids will die for lies, and territory.


This poll will separate us further or bring us closer together the choice is yours America. Who are the ones who really hate our "freedoms"?

Goebel was a master propagandist, and was able to use partisan division to snow the masses. Fascist's use any party who suits their needs, at the particular time? Hitler used the "rightwing" Nationalist DNVP allies to gain POWER. The Reichstag Fire Decree was passed after an act of "terrorism on German soil, blamed on the communist's. The Nazis used the public fear of the Communist's/terrorist's to establish their POWER!

They then shredded their constituiton with something called the Enabling Act, does that sound familiar people? This next Act passed by the third reich limited civil liberties with the expressed purpose of protecting the people of Germany. That says it all.

I have heard talk here of socialism being fascism, and vice versa, it's nonsense, and only serves to muddy the already muddy waters. As for socialism being fascism, that was Goebels "lie" to the labour party in Germany, the "people" of Germany, as is ours to Americans.

Hitler adopted fascism from Mussolini who said fascism was the merger of "Gov", and "Corporate" power, otherwise known as "corporatism". Lincoln said this before they blew his brains out, long before Hitler ever came to town, and fascism was a threat. Licoln said that it would destroy America's Republic, those were his words, and he was 100% right. Are there"patriots" here who want to challenge Lincoln?

Ignorant people, and blind "patriots" can stop trying to revise history, it's all there for "EVERYONE" to see for themselves. Only thing here in America we are told we live in a "Republic Democracy" instead of a socialist society to keep the peace, and snow the masses. Both parties are complicit in these Acts except for one man in Congress named Ron Paul.

Consider the following two statements, and see if you can identify the authors everyone.

Statement Number One: "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

...Statement Number Two: "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve."...

Hermann Goering made the first statement, and Ashcroft made the second. Both telling people dissenting views will no longer be tolerated by Gov. In the U.S. They tolerate "talk", because they are keeping up the "appearance" of a democratic republic. If you step out of line, they "can" take your citizenship away, and charge you for treason, as a foreign entity, or a "terrorist. This is in the Patriot Act 2. Anything our collective Gov deems to be "civil disobedience" falls under this category. Still think we are free America? Now who knows "if" they will use this power, but they "can" if they so choose.

Call me crazy people, but I thought we were "fighting", and dieing to keep ourselves "free", what ever that means? Were we not supposed to be fighting "terrorist's to "KEEP" our freedoms? Our Gov keeps telling us that, but their words don't match their sinister actions. Our Gov tells us the terrorist's hate our freedoms, "WHO" is the one who really hates our freedoms? Whose the one taking them, it's not the terrorist's, it's our collective dictatorial despotic Gov.

So now we are "fighting" terrorism, but we are told we have to give up our constitution, liberties, and freedoms to do it. That German Enabling Act sounds an awful lot like the Patriot Act. Are you a blind "patriot" who can't see the writing on the wall? So what if they called their party socialist, when their actions didn't match their "words". Actions speak louder than words, they always have, and they always will. United we stand divided we fall. Who are the people dividing us today, who are the people that have been teaching partisan hate breeding since we were born? Who are the ones who "try" and control our lives with fear? I'll give you a hint, it's not the "terrorist's.
sky of mind
#3

Those who want more of the same.
Corporate Democracy.

The top 1% that wanna be the top .05%
EugenicHegemony
QUOTE(EugenicHegemony @ Wednesday, 3 August 2005, 12:31 pm)
The last poll was "NOT" locked "HERE". I forgot to edit that from the other sites SORRY!! These guys here are great, and wouldn't do that. They had locked it here!! http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/vi...pic.php?t=34038[/url]
and a bunch of other places. Please make posts like these with polls and "SPREAD" them!!! I will vote on whatever site you put it on.

This poll should say who hates the "PEOPLES" freedom, as our imperial rulers/Gov don't apply.

Our "collective Gov the entire body says the terroris'ts hate our freedom. Whose the one taking them? Ron Paul seems to be the only man telling the truth, and he is Republican, what does that tell you "people"?

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
~George W Bush

Take a "CHANCE" people, stop being affraid. If this Gov was so great, and people were so happy losing their collective freedoms, it would be overwhelming that the terrorist's would be winning in this poll.

People know, and are affraid of what it may say. They know! Totalitarianism has been our Military industrial complex for years, they now "see" it's spilling into our civilian lives, and they are unsure of the future. The draft is comming back did you know that? Woman can now be drafted, and the age has been raised to 34, not many people know this.

First our Gov will try and "ENTICE" people with "prospects" of "PEACECORP" fantasies, when that doesn't work the draft will begin, and kids will die for lies, and territory.
This poll will separate us further or bring us closer together the choice is yours America. Who are the ones who really hate our "freedoms"?

Goebel was a master propagandist, and was able to use partisan division to snow the masses. Fascist's use any party who suits their needs, at the particular time? Hitler used the "rightwing" Nationalist DNVP allies to gain POWER. The Reichstag Fire Decree was passed after an act of "terrorism on German soil, blamed on the communist's. The Nazis used the public fear of the Communist's/terrorist's to establish their POWER!

They then shredded their constituiton with something called the Enabling Act, does that sound familiar people? This next Act passed by the third reich limited civil liberties with the expressed purpose of protecting the people of Germany. That says it all.

I have heard talk here of socialism being fascism, and vice versa, it's nonsense, and only serves to muddy the already muddy waters. As for socialism being fascism, that was Goebels "lie" to the labour party in Germany, the "people" of Germany, as is ours to Americans.

Hitler adopted fascism from Mussolini who said fascism was the merger of "Gov", and "Corporate" power, otherwise known as "corporatism". Lincoln said this before they blew his brains out, long before Hitler ever came to town, and fascism was a threat. Licoln said that it would destroy America's Republic, those were his words, and he was 100% right. Are there"patriots" here who want to challenge Lincoln?

Ignorant people, and blind "patriots" can stop trying to revise history, it's all there for "EVERYONE" to see for themselves. Only thing here in America we are told we live in a "Republic Democracy" instead of a socialist society to keep the peace, and snow the masses. Both parties are complicit in these Acts except for one man in Congress named Ron Paul.

Consider the following two statements, and see if you can identify the authors everyone.

Statement Number One: "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

...Statement Number Two: "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve."...

Hermann Goering made the first statement, and Ashcroft made the second. Both telling people dissenting views will no longer be tolerated by Gov. In the U.S. They tolerate "talk", because they are keeping up the "appearance" of a democratic republic. If you step out of line, they "can" take your citizenship away, and charge you for treason, as a foreign entity, or a "terrorist. This is in the Patriot Act 2. Anything our collective Gov deems to be "civil disobedience" falls under this category. Still think we are free America? Now who knows "if" they will use this power, but they "can" if they so choose.

Call me crazy people, but I thought we were "fighting", and dieing to keep ourselves "free", what ever that means? Were we not supposed to be fighting "terrorist's to "KEEP" our freedoms? Our Gov keeps telling us that, but their words don't match their sinister actions. Our Gov tells us the terrorist's hate our freedoms, "WHO" is the one who really hates our freedoms? Whose the one taking them, it's not the terrorist's, it's our collective dictatorial despotic Gov.

So now we are "fighting" terrorism, but we are told we have to give up our constitution, liberties, and freedoms to do it. That German Enabling Act sounds an awful lot like the Patriot Act. Are you a blind "patriot" who can't see the writing on the wall? So what if they called their party socialist, when their actions didn't match their "words". Actions speak louder than words, they always have, and they always will. United we stand divided we fall. Who are the people dividing us today, who are the people that have been teaching partisan hate breeding since we were born? Who are the ones who "try" and control our lives with fear? I'll give you a hint, it's not the "terrorist's.
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I put the 3rd option there by a mistake. The last site I was on the Mods locked, it and said I needed more options, so I added a ficticious 3rd option. The Corporate Elites/Collective Gov are the ones I feel are taking them. I can't imagine why you would pick 3. Our/coporate Gov told us the terrorist's hated our freedom, it would seem that's not the case. The terrorist's have nothing to do with our Totalitarian statist nation, our Collective Gov does.
sky of mind
I picked 3 because 1 and 2 were not concise enough
Clearly NOT the terrorists. They're not the issue
And not all of those in government want to destroy our collective freedoms.
Many people in government actually have honor and fight for our American rights!
The use of a blanket statement means it will by it's nature be wrong!

So, my answer was the sort of specific I needed, OK?
EugenicHegemony
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Wednesday, 3 August 2005, 4:12 pm)
I picked 3 because 1 and 2 were not concise enough
Clearly NOT the terrorists.  They're not the issue
And not all of those in government want to destroy our collective freedoms.
Many people in government actually have honor and fight for our American rights!
The use of a blanket statement means it will by it's nature be wrong!

So, my answer was the sort of specific I needed, OK?
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Ok

Ron Paul has spoken out about fascism, I haven't heard anyone else do that in Gov.
sky of mind
Patty Murry has never spoken about Fascism, but I know the woman fights for the people of her state, and true American Values!

One doesn't have to be a rebel to be a fighter!
EugenicHegemony
QUOTE(EugenicHegemony @ Wednesday, 3 August 2005, 5:40 pm)
Ok

Ron Paul has spoken out about fascism, I haven't heard anyone else do that in Gov.
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Do you think we can just vote our way out of this cancer? Voting isn't even in our hands anymore, and private banks including the Fedral Reserve have made slaves of the collective "people" with debt, and the National Debt. I don't know the answer, but I do know a couple fighters will probably get slandered in some way, and eventually get replaced with a "patriotic" puppet. I think Hacket is getting smeared as we speak.
sky of mind
QUOTE(EugenicHegemony @ Wednesday, 3 August 2005, 8:20 pm)
Do you think we can just vote our way out of this cancer? Voting isn't even in our hands anymore, and private banks including the Fedral Reserve have made slaves of the collective "people" with debt, and the National Debt. I don't know the answer, but I do know a couple fighters will probably get slandered in some way, and eventually get replaced with a "patriotic" puppet. I think Hacket is getting smeared as we speak.
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OK, what do you suggest?
It doesn't do much good to bitch and moan if you don't have any idea how to end it!
Being mad though is good! More Americans should be real mad!

But speaking for myself, I'd really like to not have to lose my way of life,
to save my way of life!

Know what I mean?
loosecannon
Eugenicshegemony,

The phrase "they hate us for OUR freedoms" is NOT a vacant statement.

The US has enjoyed US dollar hegemony since the period just after WWII. Your name indicates you might kno that.

But what that implies is that we the US enjoy a very strong set of special advantages that the rest of the world does NOT enjoy at all.

In fact they suffer dearly for our privileges.

To be so rich, and consume 25% of the worlds resources while comprising 4% of the world people, well a lotta folks hafta be poor.

How poor? If ya don't know yet, it is fvcked up.

1 billion, 1/6 of the people world wide live on $1/day.

1/2 of all the worlds people live on $2/day.

If we stripped all the excess wealth from the richest 100 people on earth, and divided it equally amongst the poorest 1/2 of all people on earth, it would triple their incomes for one year.

And the harsh part, the rest of the world must trade in dollars and provide us with real goods made with real sweat and real resources in exchange for paper dollars we can print at almost no cost.

We have printed 80 trillion dollars in fake money and the balance of the world has been forced to provide goods, labor and resources for $60 trillion dollars of monopoly money we print at almost no cost to ourselves.

Then we rake them over a political barrel when they "need" to borrow our phony money.

$60,000,000,000,000.00 fake dollars we made for free. And they were forced to trade real value for fake money.

THAT is the freedom they hate us for.

AND IT IS REAL.

and it is way, way, way, way more fvcked up than this little post can express.....
loosecannon
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With the fall of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the US attitude toward the rest of the world changed. It now no longer needs to compete for the hearts and minds of the masses of the Third and Fourth Worlds. So trade has replaced aid. The US has embarked on a strategy to use cheap Third/Fourth World labor and non-existent environmental regulation to compete with its former Cold War allies, now industrialized rivals in trade, taking advantage of traditional US anti-labor ideology to outsource low-paying jobs, playing against the strong pro-labor tradition of social welfare in Europe and Japan. In the meantime, the US pushed for global financial deregulation based on dollar hegemony and emerged as a 500-pound gorilla in the globalized financial market that left the Japanese and Europeans in the dust, playing catch-up in an unwinnable game. In the game of finance capitalism, those with capital in the form of fiat money they can print freely will win hands down.


Source Asian Times

Dollar Hegemony Against Sovereign Credit

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The tool of this US strategy is the privileged role of the dollar as the key reserve currency for world trade, otherwise known as dollar hegemony. Out of this emerges an international financial architecture that does real damage to the actual producer economies for the benefit of the financier economies. The dollar, instead of being a neutral agent of exchange, has become a weapon of massive economic destruction (WMED) more lethal than nuclear bombs and with more blackmail power, which is exercised ruthlessly by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) on behalf of the Washington Consensus. Trade wars are fought through volatile currency valuations. Dollar hegemony enables the United States to use its trade deficits as the bait for its capital account surplus.
EugenicHegemony
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Wednesday, 3 August 2005, 4:12 pm)
I picked 3 because 1 and 2 were not concise enough
Clearly NOT the terrorists.  They're not the issue
And not all of those in government want to destroy our collective freedoms.
Many people in government actually have honor and fight for our American rights!
The use of a blanket statement means it will by it's nature be wrong!

So, my answer was the sort of specific I needed, OK?
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Not really.. That's the problem people have been made to feel comfortable in this despotic dictatorial nation with all the crap we have/own/watch/play. That and partisan nonsense are all distractions from the debt we are slaves to. Now our collective Gov wants to pass something called the FAIR tax. It seems to me to be the same thing as the Mass consumption tax, and is our only real power over this collective Gov. To collectively withhold our monies to the IRS. It's scary, but if this continues it's just going to get worse. Are you familiar with the new civil disobedience act with the P Act 2? If things like this site become a bother to this Gov, and they want to call "dissenting" civil disobedience whose to stop them. You can lose your citizenship, be tried as a foreigner, and tried for treason, or terrorism if they so choose to exercise this right. This collective Gov can also seize your asset if they so choose. This totalitarian police state is out of control, with no regard to the "people".
EugenicHegemony
"paper dollars we can print at almost no cost"

How can you say "NO"cost when the Federal Reserve has the American "people" in debt up to their eyeballs making us all slaves to debt. Kennedy tried to destroy the fed he knew what it was going to do, and what did they do to him when he tried it? We have no republic that was destroyed when they killed lincoln, and infant fascism was born.

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order
11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve
Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at
interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the
privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business

PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY 10 days before "OUR" own Gov
assassinated him. This was a coup make no mistake.

"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to
destroy the Americans freedom and before I leave office I must inform the
Citizen of his plight."
~John f kennedy

Our Gov couldn't have little Jonny Destroying their cash cow, now could they? So they blew his brains out, they had to make sure he wouldn't live you know


What Lincoln Foresaw:
Corporations Being "Enthroned" After the Civil War
and Re-Writing the Laws Defining Their Existence

"We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end.
It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood.
It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety
of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.
God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."
~Abraham Lincoln

Those words show Lincoln's letter of 1864 for the unbridled truth written in that letter.

"America will never be destroyed from the OUTSIDE. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because WE destroyed ourselves. "
~Abraham Lincoln
EugenicHegemony
I thought this poll would really take off here, as the "people" had asked me to post this poll here. What are you all affraid of just VOTE with your hearts!!
folkie
QUOTE(EugenicHegemony @ Wednesday, 3 August 2005, 8:36 pm)
I thought this poll would really take off here, as the "people" had asked me to post this poll here. What are you all affraid of just VOTE with your hearts!!
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First of all, we don't have a "collective" government. We have a corporatocracy. The word "collective" implies sharing. A union of business and government, which is what we have, takes, but does not share. They may bribe, but they don't share. And politicians who refuse bribes often meet with unfortunate accidents. That's not how collectives operate, it is how criminal cartels operate.

Secondly, the corporatocracy labels anyone who might possibly impede their desire to own everyone and everything a "terrorist." People who don't want the corporatocracy to steal their oil are called terrorists. People who don't want corporations to poison their air and water and sicken whole communities with their toxic wastes as they extract resources, are called terrorists. The two groups on the FBI's domestic terrorist list are environmentalists and animal rights activists. If you don't think people should be able to kill kittens for fun or profit, you're a terrorist.

I don't think any "people" asked you to post your poll here. I think you've latched onto the words "people" and "collective" and think you can use them in a manipulative way. Many people post polls here that sink like a stone without a single vote, but they don't beg and plead. They just accept that nobody's particularly interested and join or start a topic about something else, or a poll that's better thought out.

You don't need my vote, you don't deserve my vote, and you're not going to get my vote. You have now joined the ranks of some of the greatest politicians in the country, so take a bow! tongue.gif



EugenicHegemony
QUOTE(folkie @ Thursday, 4 August 2005, 12:39 am)
First of all, we don't have a "collective" government. We have a corporatocracy. The word "collective" implies sharing. A union of business and government, which is what we have, takes, but does not share. They may bribe, but they don't share. And politicians who refuse bribes often meet with unfortunate accidents. That's not how collectives operate, it is how criminal cartels operate.

Secondly, the corporatocracy labels anyone who might possibly impede their desire to own everyone and everything a "terrorist." People who don't want the corporatocracy to steal their oil are called terrorists. People who don't want corporations to poison their air and water and sicken whole communities with their toxic wastes as they extract resources, are called terrorists. The two groups on the FBI's domestic terrorist list are environmentalists and animal rights activists. If you don't think people should be able to kill kittens for fun or profit, you're a terrorist.

I don't think any "people" asked you to post your poll here. I think you've latched onto the words "people" and "collective" and think you can use them in a manipulative way. Many people post polls here that sink like a stone without a single vote, but they don't beg and plead. They just accept that nobody's particularly interested and join or start a topic about something else, or a poll that's better thought out.

You don't need my vote, you don't deserve my vote, and you're not going to get my vote. You have now joined the ranks of some of the greatest politicians in the country, so take a bow!  tongue.gif
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"I don't think any "people" asked you to post your poll here. I think you've latched onto the words "people" and "collective" and think you can use them in a manipulative way. Many people post polls here that sink like a stone without a single vote, but they don't beg and plead. They just accept that nobody's particularly interested and join or start a topic about something else, or a poll that's better thought out"

Manipulation is not something I do, and yes I was asked to post the poll. What you just said is hurtful, as I intended no harm. Our collective as in the entire institution has said terrorist's hate our freedom. I don't see any of them coming to our rescue, so I say collective. As for the Collective people, I mean every person any party, who wants to dissent, and thinks they are alone. It's too bad you feel I don't deserve your vote. I really thought we could get some collective answers here, and then spread it to every site we possibly could until the lurkers started participating.

Collective has nothing to do with sharing, especially when it comes to our Gov. It's about both parties merging with corporations, and Elites to rule over our lives. I guess I shouldn't have posted this, you guys really surprised me. Sad, even here I can't get many to participate in this poll. You can lead a horse to water.

I use the word collective with the"people" because I want to include everyone.
I use it with the Gov because they are an accumulated bunch of corporatist thieves. I didn't latch onto anything. I feel very strongly about this, and want the partisan hate breeding to stop. Just because I want it to stop doesn't mean it will, or it should. I just "feel" we are divided on purpose to keep the collective "people" all at each others partisan hate breeding throats for a very sinister reason.
United "WE" stand divided we are falling.
Catherine
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thought this poll would really take off here, as the "people" had asked me to post this poll here. What are you all affraid of just VOTE with your hearts!!


ALL POLLS at the POAC go in this forum, EH, and what happens to them after that is subject to their popularity regardless of their subject content.

Folkie gave you good advice about that, so take it or leave it.

Catherine
loosecannon
QUOTE(EugenicHegemony @ Wednesday, 3 August 2005, 9:08 pm)
"paper dollars we can print at almost no cost"

How can you say "NO"cost when the Federal Reserve has the American "people" in debt up to their eyeballs making us all slaves to debt. Kennedy tried to destroy the fed he knew what it was going to do, and what did they do to him when he tried it? We have no republic that was destroyed when they killed lincoln, and infant fascism was born.

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order
11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve
Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at
interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the
privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business

PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY 10 days before "OUR" own Gov
assassinated him. This was a coup make no mistake.

  "The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to
destroy the Americans freedom and before I leave office I must inform the
Citizen of his plight." 
~John f kennedy

Our Gov couldn't have little Jonny Destroying their cash cow, now could they? So they blew his brains out, they had to make sure he wouldn't live you know
What Lincoln Foresaw:
Corporations Being "Enthroned" After the Civil War
and Re-Writing the Laws Defining Their Existence

"We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end.
It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood.
It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety
of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.
God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."
~Abraham Lincoln

Those words show Lincoln's letter of 1864 for the unbridled truth written in that letter.

"America will never be destroyed from the OUTSIDE. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because WE destroyed ourselves. "
~Abraham Lincoln
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Hey EH, I used the words almost no cost refering to printing money.

And as best as I can tell the actual costs of printing are borne by the Federal Reserve which is privately owned.

The only guarantee on printed US dollars, or even unprinted ones, is the ability of the US gummit to tax in order to pay it's debts.

But the Federal reserve, again privately owned, can only back it's currency instruments with it's credit. The people of the US are not on the hook so to speak for the vast majority of dollars in circulation.

And I expect that the US gummit will eoither pay off the debt eventually with deflated dollars or just default like Argentina did.

I enjoyed the info on Kennedy, and would like to know more about his actions to dissolve the FED.
EugenicHegemony
QUOTE(EugenicHegemony @ Wednesday, 3 August 2005, 8:20 pm)
Do you think we can just vote our way out of this cancer? Voting isn't even in our hands anymore, and private banks including the Fedral Reserve have made slaves of the collective "people" with debt, and the National Debt. I don't know the answer, but I do know a couple fighters will probably get slandered in some way, and eventually get replaced with a "patriotic" puppet. I think Hacket is getting smeared as we speak.
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The new Trojan horse or FREEDOM/PATRIOT "Fair" tax/Mass consumption tax which I have been yelling about for the longest time on every site. It could, will end our first peaceful option. Everything this installation does against us. Everything they do is a Trojan Horse.

1)We need a Revolution in this country, a peaceful one will do the trick, maybe. Everyone in this country needs to passively aggressively Revolt against the Gov. When it comes time to do our taxes we should not do anything. What can they do if the collective masses of America say No to the IRS? We still have this trump card to play. Soon we will not, as a Mass Consumption tax is in the works. I wonder why they are going to do that? I'm sure CNN/Fox are politicing for this as we speak.

Or we can all let false patriots, dictators, tyrants, despotism, and a Fascsit Gov takeover our lives, with no peaceful solution in sight.

I wanted a peaceful solution, I guess there is none. I guess Thomas Jefferson was right blood will flow.
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2)How about an "INSTANT RUN-OFF" voting system, or some derivative? This way we may be able to vote for the person we actually choose instead of a two party monopoly? It will give us a fall back, and allow us to take a chance without the fear of throwing our votes away. Once this is done we can begin to change the machinery of despotism. Private banks, the federal reserve, concentrated corporate controlled monopolistic systems, media, rural electrification, water, the list goes on and on.
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3)How about a military coup. We need people like Ron Paul, I'm sure there are more with a human conscience on the inside. The military is made up of "AMERICAN'S"who are conditioned, but "said" conditioning is weak, and a lie. As they preach integrity, and condition enlisted kids to police each other at the same time. If it wasn't a lie they wouldn't need to do that. The military has always been run like a dictatorship, it's been spilling over into our collective society. It is completely totalitarian, and has been an industrial miltary complex for a very long time.

If the masses can see the truth, and our families can use the bond they were born with, we can do this. This Gov tears people apart, and rules over all. If we stop letting them do this we can win, and appeal to the good/human side in us all. They didn't break me, and I was in the USAF for 4 years. Marines will be the most difficult to reach, but blood/trust/love is thicker than deception, lies, false "patriotism", and fear.

I posted a link to a site where I had been making some headway, and asked for some help from people here. There are lurkers/curious dissenters out there, and they NEED to know they are not alone. The internet is a tool we can all use to help our cause. Cynisism for other collective "people" will not. It's sad I think if the ole was worded differently I would have gotten much more of a repsonse from the people here. If I would have said Bush, and this admin instead of collective Gov/installation, the results would have come without hesitation. The thing is fascism has no party face. Mussolini used a democratic insitution to snow the people, hitler used rightwing, and socialists to gain the same power, and the Patriot Act....I mean Enabling Act. The green, and libertarin parties could also adot fascism into their policies, it doesn't matter. Fascism doesn't play partisan games, so neithr do I. It's the collective people of America that matter, some where along the way that was lost.

http://politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewto...3727&highlight=

The power of this last one is being taken right NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"President George W. Bush has called for a review and change of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 that forbids the military to become policemen over the American people. The Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan declared that Lincoln?s calling upon the military to fight Americans in the War Between the States was illegal. Therefore, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act to prevent the military from searching our homes, seizing our property, or arresting American citizens.

President Bush is backed by Senator Biden [D-Del] to end all this protection from a military presence in every city in America. What they will never tell ?We, the People,? is that they are USING the ?War on Terrorism? as an excuse to take away our Constitutional Rights and change laws that prohibit a military coup d?etat. A coup d?etat can be a sudden policy change or a sudden move to overthrow the existing government. This combination of definitions is what will happen if Bush and Biden garner support for this change in the Act."

folkie
QUOTE(EugenicHegemony @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 12:53 pm)
What can they do if the collective masses of America say No to the IRS?


They'd label tax resisters terrorists, get the FBI and Homeland Security to make mass arrests, and the U.S. prison industry, currently the largest in the world, would declare a larger dividend. But you already know that. Everyone knows that. The question is why you are pretending not to know what everyone else knows.

And what kind of provocateur would mention tax revolt and violent revolution as if they were equivalents to election reform? Election reform is legal, non-violent, and the only thing that has any hope of bringing about real change. Any mention of election reform by someone pretending to your ignorance can only have the intention of attempting to discredit it. Instead, you are continuing to discredit yourself.





EugenicHegemony
QUOTE(folkie @ Saturday, 6 August 2005, 7:58 pm)
They'd label tax resisters terrorists, get the FBI and Homeland Security to make mass arrests, and the U.S. prison industry, currently the largest in the world, would declare a larger dividend. But you already know that. Everyone knows that. The question is why you are pretending not to know what everyone else knows.

And what kind of provocateur would mention tax revolt and violent revolution as if they were equivalents to election reform? Election reform is legal, non-violent, and the only thing that has any hope of bringing about real change. Any mention of election reform by someone pretending to your ignorance can only have the intention of attempting to discredit it. Instead, you are continuing to discredit yourself.
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Right election reform. Whose going to bring that about? Neither the pubs or the dems want it, as they will never relinquish power willingly. The REPUBLOCRATS are one, and will not give us an IRV or some derivative because they don't want to, and representation is DEAD! You think some kind of revolt is a bad choice, OK fine, but if we keep going in the direction we are going a peaceful solution will vanish. Your probably right about the incarceration as FEMA has over 600 prisons around the U.S. for the preparation of martial law, and dissenters will all go there. If the entire U.S. body tells the IRS to take a hike, there won't be enough room to incarcerate everyone. People could always go on strike, but then again these selfish people are too comfortable in their despotism to do anything like that. So let's just sit here on the POAC forums, and talk to people who have already awoken, and do nothing about it.

Right now "FEDERAL" Regionalism is under the absolute control of this U.S. Gov installation. It's "NOT" a good thing, and something needs to be done about it. This is not a crackpot partisan thing, this is controlling everything in our country over, and beyond our American collected lives. "FEDERAL" Regionalism has abolished the power of "Local Gov" . Herein lies the problem. "FEDERAL" regionalism has Centralized the Power into one place. Centralization of Gov power is a basic SOCIALIST principle. It takes Gov out of the hands of the collected "people", local and otherwise. The key factor in all of this is complete, and total control. As it stands now our country is divided into 10 regions, and they are "ALL" controlled by this Gov installation. This has resulted in the destruction of an individual states rights, and power.

Here is a great article to inform yourselves. http://newdeal.feri.org/survey/40c17.htm

If you want to leave your safe haven, and speak with people who have not yet awoken, I started a thread here, and could use some independent ideas.
http://politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35403

Here are step by step processes for positive change, I have already done these, and so can you. The Committee to Restore the Constitution. http://www.webaccess.net/~comminc/
sky of mind
Eugene,


You are NOT gonna make election reforms happen by taking on the head of the monster directly!


You WILL beat the monster by working each and every voting precinct!
Make it a local issue every time.

Ask the voters in EACH VOTING PRECINCT if they want their vote on paper,
are are they willing to have their vote mangled by the machine?


This issue must at least begin to be addressed on the local level.


In my precinct, and county, and I believe state wide, (Washington)
we vote on paper via mail in ballots.
And look what happened to the Governors race!

Paper trails, without them Rossi the Repug would be Gov today!
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