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EugenicHegemony
I have been subscribing to many forums, probably over 100. This last one a guy named MiB who calls himself the Imperialist Warmonger, said "people like me" are destroying America. I had to laugh, and made this post, to respond to his ridiculous attack. Please tell me if I left anything out, and if so could you aid in adding to the Collective American people's list of humanistic ideals? Another thing, I'm an independent as the Democratic party is just as guilty as the Republican. I see on this site you all are of the opinion that the dems are "different". I feel in my heart that the Old libs of this world are dead, Not in you guys. I know you are all authentic, but the Democrats who "represent" us are not Old libs far from it. They're not even "Progressives". The two parties seem to have Corporately merged. Our entire Gov is run like a huge Corporation, and the present day president is nothing more than the executive who signs the checks! Our Collective Gov have been playing cat, and mouse, bait, and switch, the two against the middle, and are two sides of the "SAME" coin. We are all moving towards, or are already a Totalitarianist Nation, and that is just about "IMPOSSIBLE" when 2 opposing parties in a country are truly diametrically opposed. They are "both" Corporatist's, and they both need to be destroyed.


QUOTE (MiB)
Its true, and it is what I am working against. People like you from destroying America with your socialism, anti-greed, and vitriolic hatred for America doing anything at all that doesn't make it less free.
MiB Imperialist WarMonger

Don't worry though, the true patriots always win.  :cool:

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People like "Me" are destroying America? Well if I didn't know better I'd say that was a direct attack Moderators.

Mod's, it's out in the open for "EVERYONE" here to see. Mib says "people like me". That's a direct attack, Please stop deleting my post if your going to allow him to do the same thing to "me". "You" sent me a PM telling me I can't defend myself by attacking him. Is there a double standard here, if so please tell me, and I will leave this site, and allow the power of hypocrisy to prevail yet again. I thought this was an Independent Bi Partisan, unjudging site. The ball is in your court now Moderators.

This is the 6th time I have tried to post this!

Admit it, or look the other way America.

What Lincoln Foresaw:
Corporations Being "Enthroned" After the Civil War
and Re-Writing the Laws Defining Their Existence

"We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end.
It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood.
It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety
of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.
God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."

Those words show Lincoln's letter of 1864 for the unbridled truth written in that letter.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. "
~Abraham Lincoln

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order
11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve
Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at
interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the
privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business

PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY 10 days before "OUR" own Gov
assassinated him.

  "The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to
destroy the Americans freedom and before I leave office I must inform the
Citizen of his plight." 

Our Gov couldn't have little Jonny Destroying their cash cow, now could they?

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

He was a True Authentic American Patriot, not a fascist.

Good will always prevail

I love this country MiB, our Gov does not represent our countries Soul, and neither do people like you. . Our Gov is destroying what America stood for, and people like You tell the world your proud to be am imperialist war Monger, and that American Empire should envelope all, and you jave the audacity to call me ani ANERICAN..

True Patriots are for the "PEOPLE" of this entire WORLD, and not the Superiority of one Nation over all. People like you are Patriotic for one corrupt controlling Statist Gov. Unlike people like you I "am" a true Patriot, a patriot for the people. Unlike people like you, and their false pseudo nationalistic patriotism. people like you will soon be exposed for what you are, Imperialist War Mongers, just like you said. Those are "YOUR" words, this is not an attack. I am stating what you have already told the world is your position, let's make this clear.

Unlike people like you I understand the words Lincoln spoke, and see the horror he warned the American PEOPLE of in 1864. He warned us all, and told us what our Gov was planning, and he was assasinated for it, just like Kennedy, and countless dissenting influential people who had a true good positive voice that people heard, and identified with.

Unlike people like you I know our Gov has lied, and is lying to us about the imminent threat of terrorism destroying our way of life. Our embasy's have been attacked for over 15 years, our collective Gov chose to ignore the warnings, and continue to fund tyrants, and yes terrorists. Remember the occupation of the Soviet Union, who supported the mujaideen, and Osama? Yes, 911 happened, but nothing like that will ever have the power to destroy our way of life, which is what our Gov wants us to think. Our aggressive Isolationist foreign policy caused 911, wake up! Reverse psychology is a powerful tool, when a Gov begins using it against the people we "all" have a collective problem. Our Gov is destroying our way of life, and using terrorism, and fear to do it. Remember these words, America will never be destroyed from the OUTSIDE!! Thank you Lincoln for speaking the "TRUTH", and putting our deceptive "Color Coded Threat Level" Gov in it's place. Fear is a tool of the enemy, whose using that tool to control our collective destinies?

Unlike people like you I know our Gov's plan for future, and past preemptive war is nothing more than illegal thuggish imperialistic "invasion". Since our Gov now makes the rules nothing is illegal.

Unlike people like you Corporatist views, I want as much freedom, choices as possible for America, and every other country in this world.

Unlike people like you I want to stop Jihad vs McWorld, read the book.

Unlike people like you I want a fair voting system in this country, one that's not meant to keep the dual Corporatists, and incumbent in power.

Unlike people like you I want taxation "WITH" representation

Unlike people like you I want our Gov to fear us not the other way around. They need to be kept in check or they will do as they please with no regard to our wellbeing. GMO's are a great example. At least 80% of American people want labels on GMO created foods, but our Gov says NO! Were you aware America, our country lost a HUGE export business because other countries would not buy our Gov created GMO foods, what does that tell you about the character of our Collective Gov?
Unlike people like you I want checks and balances

Unlike people like you I know our Gov has no right to "steal", "loot", and pillage any and every "Resource" wealthy country, while sucking them dry of their financial independence.

Unlike people like you I know the Patriot Act/Patriot Act2 works in concert with NAFTA/NAFTA2, and now the Real ID, in a very sinister "OLD" UnAmerican way. I say "OLD" American, because America is no longer the Old Red, White, and Blue America anymore. Even though the Flag flying in this country, and Nationalism has gone through the roof since 911, it means NOTHING, when hate, and hegemonic superiority is breeding. This "NEW" American Patriotism means nothing when our Gov uses it against us, and strips our Freedom, and names it the Patriot Act. Whats is so Patriotic about it, NOTHING!! With an already over broad definition of terrorism in America now, it will expand to "individuals" engaged in what our Gov defines as any and all "Civil Disobedience". If our Gov decides your organization falls under "their" definition of civil disobedience you can be subject to wiretapping, and full asset seizure. Anyone found to have violated our Gov's Civil Disobedience standards can lose their" citizenship". Once that happens you can be tried, and convicted as a foreign entity, or terrorist. "Citizens" of this country can now be considered foreigners, and therefore able to be detained at any time on trumped up charges, or suspicion of treason, or terrorism. What the hell is going on in this country? Keep looking the other way America, this is REAL PATRIOTIC.

Unlike people like you I want our Gov to stop using NAFTA to negotiate directly with corporations, allowing them to call all the shots.
NAFTA is about to be expanded, as well.

Unlike people like you I don't want our Gov to implement a State Consumption Tax, it's in the works as we speak.

Unlike people like you I want our Gov to follow the Geneva Convention, and stop hiding their torture techniques from the public, and blaming it on the
underlings/ soldiers. This Gov takes no responsibility for anything, and the media plays this stupid cat, and mouse game with the information.

Unlike people like you I want our Gov to stop arresting reporters to shut them up, and throwing them in jail for an undetermined amount of time. True American Patriots know this is done to stop the flow of information to the masses, scare reporters from actually telling the truth, and keep our Gov's garbage under the rug.

Unlike people like you I want Electronic voting removed from all districts for our next elections, as it will seal the deal for future votes, not like it isn't already.

Unlike people like you I want the "TWO" party puppet monopoly to fall, and allow 3rd, and independents a fair chance, just like our "Old American Patriotic" Founding Fathers Intended for it's "people". Instant run off or some derivative, some from of Election reform that gives us back our "STOLEN" Democracy/Republic.

Unlike people like you I want to stop our Gov from imperializing the world in their hegemonic image. What gives them the right to do such things?

Unlike people like you I want our Gov to stop saying Freedom is on the march, when it's really Corporatism is on the march.

Unlike people like you I want our soldiers to stop being used as "TOOLS" for a huge Demolition crew in the Middle East paving the way for a "FAKE" Democracy, when the goal is Corporatist rule.

Unlike people like you I want Hamid Karzi kicked out on his presidential puppet Unical OIL Ass. Isn't it odd an Oil guy became president of Afghanistan?

Unlike people like you I want the 200 billion dollar heroin business in Afghanistan to end. Agent Green can, and will kill any cultivated drug known to man. We took "CONTROL" of two countries, but for some reason "left" the drug lords in power, what a surprise!

Unlike people like you I want our Gov to stop forcing Christianity down the throats of countries who wish to be left alone to worship as they please.

Unlike people like you I think a country that doesn't belong to our Gov should stay that way.

Unlike people like you I want our Gov to actually go after radical Islam, and not use Iraq as a "strategic military VANTAGE point", to continue their path of domination. As in 4 hard military bases, and NO plans on leaving, or relinquishing Fascist political control of the Middle East.

Unlike people like you I want our Gov to go after the radical Muslim schools, hidden training grounds, and over 100 cells in every country as we speak. Before this Imperialistic War they were all there, Guess what Patriots, they are still "ALL" there! Collaboration with other countries is the ONLY way to do this. It's too bad our Gov doesn't give a shit about terrorism, if you think they do your lying to yourselves.

Unlike people like you I wonder why we are "Giving" Iraq a "modified" Constitution, while our Gov shreds ours to pieces here in America. It doesn't add up America. 2, and 2 make 4 America, not 3!

Unlike people like you I want the move to PRIVATIZE everything in this country to "STOP". When it becomes private our Gov actually now "controls" it, since that whole Corporatism thing is in effect.

Unlike people like you I applaud public/independent media sources, and public education.

Unlike people like you I am concerned our Gov's faith based initiative will lead to the further deterioration of our public schools. Use a Theocratic Institution to manipulate our society, and entrench itself into our Political lives. Imagine a country full of private religious schools, and public schools dying. Imagine the control of information, and the future of our childrens programmed education. Church's will begin to have more influence/power, indoctrinate more people, "POLITIC" for the "Moral and Ethical" society "THEY" want to create. More like Force onto an unsuspecting, naive, countrified Nation.

Unlike people like you I know dissent "IS" Patriotic

Unlike people like you I question everything, and that's the way it should be.

Unlike people like you I see no reason to trust our Gov when they have such a pitiful track record of honesty.

Unlike people like you I know our Gov's lack of respect for the UN, and other countries in general isn't very American. The point of "diplomacy", after all,  is to discuss issues and effect a compromise that "AVERTS" war, not starts them!! The idea of Nations Uniting, is just that. To unite for the common good of everyone on this PLANET, not just America, and our Gov's Corporatist Money making issues.

Unlike you people I want the The Federal Reserve Bank a Private Company, or "Corporation" Destroyed. This Corporation controls the people by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt. They play with our interest rates to suit "their"needs, and ultimately control the flow of real estate in our country. "Presidents Lincoln, Jackson, and Kennedy tried to stop this family of bankers by printing U.S. dollars without charging the taxpayers interest. Today, if the government runs a deficit, the FED prints dollars through the U.S. Treasury, buys the debt, and the dollars are circulated into the economy. In 1992, taxpayers paid the FED banking system $286 billion in interest on debt the FED purchased by printing money virtually cost free. Forty percent of our personal federal income taxes goes to pay this interest. The FED's books are not open to the public. Congress has yet to audit it". What the hell is so American about that? This Corporation is a detriment to our Freedom, and our quality of life, and the people of this country need to demand it's Destruction.


Unlike people like you I know Corporate media is bought, and lies are sold and told to the American public. Whether it's CNN or Fox news, they are two sides of the same deceptive coin.

Unlike people like you I know a woman's body, and reproductive rights are her business, and our Gov/Theocracy need to stay the hell out of it. Unless you want woman shoving hangers up their vaginas, and killing it themselves. How about going to the black market abortion clinics that will be popping up everywhere? I know some of you think parental notification is a must, but I feel your wrong. Some parents just don't understand, and you all know there are good, and bad parents. You'll have cases of parents forcing a girl to have a baby, or maybe even disowning or abusing their daughter. I can see it now woman being ripped from their homes, and thrown in prison, more slaves for the Gulag.

Unlike you I want Christianity to stop spreading bigotry in this country in the form of anti gay laws.

Unlike people like you I want Separation of church and state. It's bad enough we are moving towards a Statist Nation we don't need to add a Theocracy to the mix.

Unlike people like you I expose, and want Americans to see the deceptive manipulistic lies our Gov is selling. I wish more Americans would do the same, but we are too busy just trying to survive.

Unlike people like you I want "planned" partisan hate breeding to stop dividing this country.

Unlike people like you I want our Gov to stop using Religion, false Nationalism, and pseudo Patriotism to "CONDITION" a good and decent people.

Unlike people like you I want our Property rights back, and to stop blaming one side or the other since they "both" Dems, and Pubs wanted this taken away.
Our "Gov Institution", not a partisan "GAME" took our property rights, along with the collusion of the SCOTUS. They all speak with the same "MOUTH".

Unlike people like you I see our Statist Nation, and Nationalist Isolationist policies for what they are, and am ashamed.

Unlike people like you I know N/S Korea is going to be a future target and used to expand our Gov's dominance into Asia, not liberate or disarm a non existent threat. Maybe Iran first, but both are targets of the PNAC, The Project for the New American Century. Both dems and pubs have not said anything about the PNAC. If Kerry was really an Old liberal who stood for the people he would have "USED" the PNAC, it's corrupt members, it's letter to Clinton, and many others to DESTROY the NeoCon/Bush puppet Agenda. The NeoCon Agenda is no Different than the NeoLib agenda. They are one in the same.

Unlike people like you I know the NeoCon ideology plans for our collective futures, and what the PNAC is doing right now. I know they are a bad group of folks who are running our country. Look them up people, you might be surprised to see what you find. Or you can just go here, I have made it easy for everyone.

Unlike people like you I want the Patriot Act destroyed, and our Constitution put back together.

Unlike people like you I want the Real ID destroyed, why is the more technology grows the less freedom we have?

Unlike people like you I want to expose the truth, and not be a false patriot by sweeping our Gov's bad deeds, lies and garbage under the rug.

Unlike people like you I'm not am imperialist War Monger, who thinks our Gov has the right to own the entire world.

Unlike people like you I want America back in the hands of the "People" where it's supposed to be.

Ruling powers can take away our property and our rights and our freedom but can not take away our soul, the true essence of our being can never be destroyed.
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Two sides of the "same" coin

Our Country is moving towards Totalitarianism, a Statist Nation is forming, what are we going to do about it. The Declaration of Independence states we have every right to take control of our Gov if our Gov becomes a detriment to "our" way of life, well they are. Here's a peek into the future of our Corporatist world. Our Gov is trying to force this onto the rest of the world, under the guise of FREEDOM/DEMOCRACY. Cover words and lies lie in all our futures. Some in this country think American Imperialist Empire is a positive thing, others know the truth. Republicans, and Democrats have been playing bait and switch,, the two against the middle for over 100 years. The two sides of the same coin are taking us towards a Totalitarian Statist Nation. I used to think there was a difference between both parties I now see the truth. They are both Corporatists, Please prove me wrong. When two parties are truly, and ideologically diametrically opposed this doesn't happen. It's impossible for us to be heading into or already in a Totalitarian Statist Nation unless both parties are in collusion. The days of the Old Liberal are long gone in our Gov, and NeoCon's, and NeoLibs are all that's left.

Set against the futuristic landscape of totalitarian AMERICA, V For Vendetta tells the story of a mild-mannered young woman named Evey (Natalie Portman) who is rescued from a life-and-death situation by a masked vigilante known only as “V.” Incomparably charismatic and ferociously skilled in the art of combat and deception, V ignites a revolution when he detonates two Washington landmarks and takes over the government-controlled airwaves, urging his fellow citizens to rise up against tyranny and oppression. As Evey uncovers the truth about V’s mysterious background, she also discovers the truth about herself – and emerges as his unlikely ally in the culmination of his plot to bring freedom and justice back to a society fraught with cruelty and corruption.

The People should not be affraid of their Gov. The Gov should be affraid of the People.

http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/trailer.html

You think this is so far fetched, it's just around the corner America.
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I've always liked this excerpt from Eisenhower's farewell speech, in which he warns us about the danger of allowing the military industrial complex to dominate our society. Too bad no one was listening.

Perhaps you would like to add his words to your post.

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This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.- Dwight Eisenhower January 17, 1961


Seamus
QUOTE( MiB Imperialist Dimwit)
Its true, and it is what I am working against. People like you from destroying America with your socialism, anti-greed, and vitriolic hatred for America doing anything at all that doesn't make it less free.
MiB Imperialist WarMonger

Don't worry though, the true patriots always win.  :cool:


I especially like his equivocation of America with Greed. It's telling of his worldview and philosophy. America is supposed to be about greed? WTF? I must have missed something along the way. Pursuit of Happiness must be code for grab everything you can for yourself and fuck everyone else whether they are here or overseas.

He's forgotten that the government works for us. It's not the other way around.

I personally don't think that the people should fear their government, conversely I don't feel that the government should fear their citizens either. Fear is no way to run a society, nor is it a way to run a government. Dipshits like this MiB clown seem to miss the whole point of a Constitutional Republic. Respect is supposed to go both ways; it's a reciprocal relationship. Once you rely on intimidating the masses with fear and retribution to maintain power you're no longer a government of the People, by the People and for the People.
folkie
WELCOME TO OAC/WRS, EugenicHegemony!

I like your style. biggrin.gif

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