Full Version: 3-year-old dies like a man.
Ronald Paris didn't want his 3-year old son, Ronald Paris, Jr., to grow up to be a sissy, so he killed him.
Part of the kid's training in manhood was boxing, something Paris Sr., who is now on trial for his son's murder, is apparently pretty good at--at least with 3-year-olds.
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The parents in that case are a real testimony to the need for comprehensive sex education in high school.
They're also a testimony to the stupidity of our macho culture. That a man could think a 3 year old was gay defies rational thought.
They're also a testimony to the stupidity of our macho culture. That a man could think a 3 year old was gay defies rational thought.
| QUOTE (maxanne @ Friday, 22 July 2005, 12:00 pm) |
| The parents in that case are a real testimony to the need for comprehensive sex education in high school. They're also a testimony to the stupidity of our macho culture. That a man could think a 3 year old was gay defies rational thought. |
Well said. And may little Ronnie's sperm donor rot in jail for the rest of his life.
Too many kids in the world are born to cruel, ignorant morons. They're at the mercy of thugs. It's not PC to suggest a license or IQ test to procreate...but in an ideal world...
Jeezuss...that poor child.
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| Paris didn’t want Ronnie to grow up to be a ‘sissy,’ according to the local newspaper, The Tampa Tribune. He instructed his wife not to hug their son, slammed the three-year-old against a wall when he showed any signs of weakness or illness, and was teaching the boy how to fight in brutal boxing bouts, which ultimately caused him to fall into a deadly coma, with microscopic brain tears and subsurface bruising. |
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| Wilchins went on to say that at very early ages, boys are under enormous pressure to conform to “The Boy Code,” a term coined by Dr. William Pollack to describe a set of rules and expectations that come from outdated and dysfunctional gender stereotypes: the idea that boys need to keep their emotions in check; that violence is an acceptable response to emotional upset; that their self-esteem relies on power over smaller or weaker boys; and that they must reject any and all signs of “feminine” qualities. Boys learn to conform to this code at home, school, church, playing fields, locker rooms, and virtually everywhere else – resulting in profound and lasting damage. |
posted by Panda:
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| Too many kids in the world are born to cruel, ignorant morons. They're at the mercy of thugs. It's not PC to suggest a license or IQ test to procreate...but in an ideal world... |
Comprehensive sex ed is the answer. I doubt very much if these two really wanted to become parents at 17 or 18, and if they did, they surely didn't know what they were getting into.
The mother should be on trial as well. She did nothing to stop the abuse.
| QUOTE (maxanne @ Friday, 22 July 2005, 1:43 pm) |
| posted by Panda: Comprehensive sex ed is the answer. I doubt very much if these two really wanted to become parents at 17 or 18, and if they did, they surely didn't know what they were getting into. The mother should be on trial as well. She did nothing to stop the abuse. |
Often times in cases such as this the Mom is as much a victim,
both physical and emotional!
It's very possible she didn't know she COULD do anything against the monster!
Physical abuse can quickly heal,
Emotional abuse can last a lifetime and alter a persons perceptions!
Explain why an abused child is more likely to grow to be an abuser?
| QUOTE (sky of mind @ Friday, 22 July 2005, 11:48 am) |
| Physical abuse can quickly heal, Emotional abuse can last a lifetime and alter a persons perceptions! |
That's why I'm a big fan of Andrew Vachss:
http://www.vachss.com/
and a member of ProtectPac:
http://protect.org/
Of course in this case the abuse was both emotional and physical, and resulted in death. With any luck at all, Ronnie Sr. will be given his own lessons in manliness in the joint, from people who don't like kid-killers.
Oops, correction: The fool whose big ego led him to name his son after himself and try to raise his son to be just like him, doesn't have a son anymore, so he ain't no "Sr." just a fool.
sky - I've read a number of newspaper accounts of this story, and the mother has never mentioned being abused herself, nor have any of their friends. I think she'd grab any opportunity to make herself look better at this point - so if she'd been physically abused I think she'd say so.
As for emotional abuse - I know how devastating it is. This woman was not a stranger to losing custody of the child. She knew there were ways to guarantee his safety.
As for emotional abuse - I know how devastating it is. This woman was not a stranger to losing custody of the child. She knew there were ways to guarantee his safety.
| QUOTE (maxanne @ Friday, 22 July 2005, 1:43 pm) |
| Comprehensive sex ed is the answer. I doubt very much if these two really wanted to become parents at 17 or 18, and if they did, they surely didn't know what they were getting into. |
| QUOTE (sky of mind @ Friday, 22 July 2005, 12:48 pm) |
| Emotional abuse can last a lifetime and alter a persons perceptions! |
True. Too true. Our society is not well.
| QUOTE (sky of mind @ Friday, 22 July 2005, 12:48 pm) |
| Explain why an abused child is more likely to grow to be an abuser? |
Because it's the only example they know.
There comes a time to take responsibility and break the cycle. Countless kids are abused yet turn it around and don't become abusers. We either know people to whom this has happened and/or it's personal. Education is the key. Unless we teach kids about birth control, STDs, AIDS, drug use, domestic abuse, sexual abuse, basic mental health, and offer help for all these things, too many remain ignorant, doomed to repeat the sins of their gene pool.
Stifling this type of education is a goal of neocons. Why do they want young people to remain as ignorant and confused as possible? Because knowledge is power.
Panda wrote:
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| Why do they want young people to remain as ignorant and confused as possible? Because knowledge is power. |
Yep - that's why slaves weren't taught to read - and why women weren't taught to read. The results would prove devastating.
Kids need to get the information on domestic violence, and alcoholism/addiction pretty early, in order to attempt to break the chain. There is a whole world of information we aren't giving kids, even as we administer No Child Left Behind tests. They'd be better off learning how to treat each other in a civilized mannner, comprehensive sex ed, and media literacy.
I used to speak at the local high school, as a member of AA. It was easy to tell what kids were growing up in alcoholic homes - they'd be in the front row, silent, never taking their eyes off me. They would stay and talk to me. It was heartbreaking.
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| Paris was convicted of second-degree manslaughter last week by a Florida jury, after delivering a fatal lesson in manhood to his son. |
(From folkie's link)
Where's JEB, GEORGE, RICK, and TOM on this one?
Catherine
| QUOTE (Catherine @ Friday, 22 July 2005, 5:43 pm) |
| Where's JEB, GEORGE, RICK, and TOM on this one? |
Well, ya see Catherine, this kid had already been born so he'd already had all the "right to life" you get in this country, and as a young male, he didn't have a potentially functional adult female reproductive system.
Did you really think they were interested in Terry Shiavo for her brain?
I am sadden because my son knows how to kill someone and he is only 4 years old. I would rather there be porn on prime time tv then mass murders and acts of extreme violence. The fights on tv are totally fake, they think the human body can take all this damage from anywhere to four or five hits, to upward of 20+. They have no idea the damage their fists can deal and how only one punch can kill someone, even if you have no idea how to adminester a killing blow.
Now I am not saying to remove this stuff from tv, just we need better education on child raising methods. In school there is no class anymore on how to be a parent. Only on how to make money. We are losing the arts programs, the self help programs, and only maintaining the science, math, and english push; just enough to understand commands, but not enough to truly have creative and individual thoughts.
When you really look around at things, you realize there is a iron fist around us and it is slowly closing around us on all fronts.
Now I am not saying to remove this stuff from tv, just we need better education on child raising methods. In school there is no class anymore on how to be a parent. Only on how to make money. We are losing the arts programs, the self help programs, and only maintaining the science, math, and english push; just enough to understand commands, but not enough to truly have creative and individual thoughts.
When you really look around at things, you realize there is a iron fist around us and it is slowly closing around us on all fronts.
| QUOTE (MasterMind @ Friday, 22 July 2005, 9:31 pm) |
| We are losing the arts programs, the self help programs, and only maintaining the science, math, and english push; just enough to understand commands, but not enough to truly have creative and individual thoughts. |
You don't want to teach things that can help kids develop critical thought. They could ask questions. They could challenge media convention and misinformation.
| QUOTE (MasterMind @ Friday, 22 July 2005, 9:31 pm) |
| When you really look around at things, you realize there is a iron fist around us and it is slowly closing around us on all fronts. |
And sadly we have a large portion of the population that are clueless to what is really happening. They've been spoon fed mindless pabulum and feckless infotainment for years on the idiot box.
I can't begin to tell you how angry this story makes me. It's mindless barbarism. This country is eating its own young. These ignorant dullards are throwing away their future.
Hey, bring me a frosty cold one from the fridge and let's turn on the sports channel...
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| Well, ya see Catherine, this kid had already been born so he'd already had all the "right to life" you get in this country, and as a young male, he didn't have a potentially functional adult female reproductive system. Did you really think they were interested in Terry Shiavo for her brain? |
WHAT?
YOU MEAN THEY WEREN'T? Well, SHAZAM....knock me down with a feather! 
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| That's why I'm a big fan of Andrew Vachss: |
Good author...he doesn't get the attention he deserves, IMHO. But when Paris Hilton or Britney Spears change their panties, it's all over the net and the telly.
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| You don't want to teach things that can help kids develop critical thought. They could ask questions. They could challenge media convention and misinformation |
Critical thinking activities are taught within the schools in some areas. They were implemented daily at my old school. But any school can only do so much during the 6-7 hours students are within the school environment to offset the complete lack of intellectual stimulation taking place at home. When I was growing up, we had the supper table around which we all sat and talked, laughed, argued, and caught up with each other. That doesn't happen anymore.
I wish this father had been charged with murder, rather than manslaughter.
Catherine
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