Jack
Tuesday, 19 July 2005, 11:51 pm
We all hate bush but what is the number 1 thing that gets you the most?
For me, it is the unapologetic exploitation of September 11th. Such a rage washes over me when i see footage of 9/11 and then i think about bush using that to push every singe agenda he has ever had. What a fucking prick hole. I hope he burns in hell.
Now a quote from Bill Maher
"Mr. President, from the looks of your convention, the worst thing that ever happen to most of us, was the best thing that ever happen to you."
JayHawk
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 12:04 am
I hate the way he says Amurika, Freedum and Liburty ... and Terrrists. The fucker can't speak proper english. Also hate his exploiting of 9/11 and his way of smirking during his speaches - as if to say "I wrote this and I'm a genius".
BUT, hate is the wrong word. I don't really hate.....anything. I dislike and sometimes strongly dislike.
sky of mind
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 12:06 am
| QUOTE (JackD @ Tuesday, 19 July 2005, 11:51 pm) |
We all hate bush but what is the number 1 thing that gets you the most?
For me, it is the unapologetic exploitation of September 11th. Such a rage washes over me when i see footage of 9/11 and then i think about bush using that to push every singe agenda he has ever had. What a fucking prick hole. I hope he burns in hell.
Now a quote from Bill Maher
"Mr. President, from the looks of your convention, the worst thing that ever happen to most of us, was the best thing that ever happen to you." |
DITTO x 10!
dori
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 1:59 am
I hate what a phony he is. His arrogance. His secretive drive to hide everything he has ever done although I can understand that he needs to hide everything he has ever done.
I hate that jerky grin and the heh, heh, heh he gives himself. He does think he is clever. And that horrible walk, the strut. I always feel like people around him are supposed to say, Seig Heil (sp) when he struts around.
I hate that he has been a failure all his life but is allowed to make our country a failure now too. I hate that he has NO IDEA what it is like to be poor in America and couldn't care less. I hate that he is making our country the most hated country in the world!
I hate his friends. I hate PNAC and 'the trifecta'.
I hate his complete detachment from what his administration is doing, his love of money and power, his loathing of anyone who doesn't have it.
I can't think of one thing I don't hate about this person. I used to be like JayHawk and not hate anyone. I hate that Bush has taken even that away from me.
Catherine
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 2:08 am
| QUOTE |
| I can't think of one thing I don't hate about this person. |
Dori said it for me, except I enlarged the H word to emphasize what a fucker I think he is.
Catherine
mga
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 6:55 am
him.
kindoki
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 8:07 am
I guess I don't really hate him. It's worthless to hate a brainless puppet.
What I hate is everyone and everything that's behind him and his presidency.
Idealist Cynic
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 8:08 am
| QUOTE (mga @ Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 6:55 am) |
| him. |
And his enablers. The whole evil empire and the coarsening of national discourse. The use of fear to manipulate America. His urge to consume endlessly.
And, not least of which his unparalleled support and integration into the oil and energy industry, which has done at least as much damage to this country as any other corporate cartel, including the military industrial complex.
The fact that he is coddled and fails repeatedly, but still succeeds in holding on to power and influence. That he was born with a gold spoon in his mouth.
His family integration into the whole big business empire and support for fascism, beginning with Prescott Bush in WWII.
His lackluster academic record and the fact he could get into Harvard Business School and Yale, with poorer grades and academics than myself, who could not get into these institutions. A product of the ultimate affirmative action program.
He is a corporate tool.
Pure evil. In 1999 when I first heard of him run, I stated if it were a choice between Donald Duck and GW Bush, I'd pick Donald Duck hands down.
I don't hate him to a point that I would wish harm to him, only wish he could be stripped of his money and power and sent to live a lower middle class existence in a small town somewhere in Kansas, a fate which would be more befitting of his personality rather than the position of power, wealth and influence he wields now.
King Fisher
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 3:30 pm
I shouldn't be so sure of myself, but I know, George W. Bush has these posters ready to show on the nightly news.
You know he needs the "rock people" to be informed, and they are so good at reading signs. This is his way of master minding them
Karl Rove
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 3:51 pm
I hate the way I have to read his mail to him.
shoeless
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 5:29 pm
| QUOTE (Karl Rove @ Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 3:51 pm) |
| I hate the way I have to read his mail to him. |
Har Har!
This is what I hate most about Bush.
U.S. Casualties in Iraq
Catherine
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 8:30 pm
Karl...don't you LOVE this man? If it hadn't been for you, he'd never have gotten to the presidency in the first place. He's your creation...your baby...your invention...and now, he's your responsibility...
Chin up....stiff upper lip...no whining...
Catherine
Mr. Natural
Thursday, 21 July 2005, 10:18 pm
I hate that he is breathing air that I could be breathing!
mga
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 5:47 am
we support bush!!
MasterMind
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 9:08 am
I hate how he has tainted my faith, fouled my regions (somewhat) good name, and force past republicans, dare I say it, look towards the democrates and independents for politcal support. He has changed my whole view point of politics, he has destoryed the country I hold so dear and its global reputation.
PS. IM going to start to post offensive yankee pics if you guys keep it up! Dont you know the truth hurts *runs off and cries*
sky of mind
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 10:33 am
I hate the way he gets away with it! Everything!
He has not been touched by anything resembling a rational idea!
Oh some people have made noises, and as noises go have even been quite effective.
But the man himself has not had to pay for a single crime, of which there are many!
He gets aware with it even though he and his are a minority!
I hate the way that he gets away with it, and is rewarded with the opportunity for more!
AntiFlagWaver
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 11:51 am
I don't think I could name any single one thing. Its really hard to describe in words. I just know that I feel extreme distaste about Bush and that he is a super con-man who has successfully conned an entire nation (or at least half of it).
And I dislike the people who adore Bush and think he is a great and goldly man even more than I dislike Bush himself, aka the "Christian Right". These people have a mentality that you can never change, and that people like Bush and Rove know how to "spin like a top". They put Bush in power and keep him in power, and the Republicans will exploit them from now on to win elections. Bet on it. You cannot change these people. Reason and rational talk have no effect on them. They operate on "Faith" and "I Want to Believe". They are the real political enemy we face, not the Republican charletans like Bush and Rove who merely exploit them for political gain.
Pretzels
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 1:06 pm
What do I hate
most about Bush? Geez, that's a tough one. I dislike pretty much everything about the guy.
I hate his arrogance. I hate his unwillingness to ever admit a mistake. I hate his warmongering, his catering to big business, and his use of fear and media manipulation to keep the doe-eyed masses nodding in unison. I hate his environmental policies. I hate his smirk. But I think, most of all, I hate what he and his idiot administration are doing
IN OUR NAME in the Middle East and elsewhere .
I firmly believe this administration has made this country more hated worldwide than it has
ever been.....and as an American, I resent that more than I can say.
JayHawk
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 1:18 pm
| QUOTE (Pretzels @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 8:06 pm) |
I firmly believe this administration has made this country more hated worldwide than it has ever been.....and as an American, I resent that more than I can say. |
my sentaments mirrored. The fight for a good clean image as an american abroad is only possible through discussions and clarification. Good to see I'm not alone with my thoughts. This does help restore one small parcel of pride.
sky of mind
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 1:24 pm
| QUOTE (JayHawk @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 1:18 pm) |
| my sentaments mirrored. The fight for a good clean image as an american abroad is only possible through discussions and clarification. Good to see I'm not alone with my thoughts. This does help restore one small parcel of pride. |
I think we can all agree on this point.
I also believe that the only way we can as Americans, rejoin the world community,
Is to legally dump Bush and company.
He must be Removed so that the world can see how Americans really feel!
Otherwise we (the American people) are to them, complicit.
shoeless
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 1:30 pm
shoeless
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 4:30 pm
shoeless
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 4:31 pm
Jack
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 4:34 pm
It was funny. Looking at the board index and looking at "Politics in General". It looks like the name of this topic is "What Do You Hate Most about Shoeless?" Now it will say JackD but still....
shoeless
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 4:41 pm
| QUOTE (JackD @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 4:34 pm) |
| It was funny. Looking at the board index and looking at "Politics in General". It looks like the name of this topic is "What Do You Hate Most about Shoeless?" Now it will say JackD but still.... |
That's OK. Even some progressives hate me. Just ask folkie.
JayHawk
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 4:57 pm
| QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 8:24 pm) |
I think we can all agree on this point.
I also believe that the only way we can as Americans, rejoin the world community,
Is to legally dump Bush and company.
He must be Removed so that the world can see how Americans really feel! Otherwise we (the American people) are to them, complicit. |
Dumping Bush will not suffice Sky. It may be a beginning, a signal but before America comes flat out and admits to 500 years of genocide on the idigenous and joins the international community on the ICC....there will be no true rejoining. I wonder if the USA has ever thought of herself as a member of the world community. More the dominating type.
sky of mind
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 5:35 pm
| QUOTE (JayHawk @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 4:57 pm) |
| QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 8:24 pm) | I think we can all agree on this point.
I also believe that the only way we can as Americans, rejoin the world community,
Is to legally dump Bush and company.
He must be Removed so that the world can see how Americans really feel! Otherwise we (the American people) are to them, complicit. |
Dumping Bush will not suffice Sky. It may be a beginning, a signal but before America comes flat out and admits to 500 years of genocide on the idigenous and joins the international community on the ICC....there will be no true rejoining. I wonder if the USA has ever thought of herself as a member of the world community. More the dominating type.
|
Agreed 100%.
But again, first things first!
Panda
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 6:42 pm
| QUOTE (Mr. Natural @ Thursday, 21 July 2005, 9:18 pm) |
| I hate that he is breathing air that I could be breathing! |
ROFLMAO!

HAHAHA!
I was going to say "everything" and cheat.
Deborah
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 9:32 pm
I hate the fact that the Democrats have allowed Bush and his gang of whatever they are to steal two elections and that I have to spend time wondering how many they have to steal before someone in authority tries to put an end to it.
Deborah
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 9:46 pm
| QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 5:35 pm) |
| QUOTE (JayHawk @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 4:57 pm) | | QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 8:24 pm) | I think we can all agree on this point.
I also believe that the only way we can as Americans, rejoin the world community,
Is to legally dump Bush and company.
He must be Removed so that the world can see how Americans really feel! Otherwise we (the American people) are to them, complicit. |
Dumping Bush will not suffice Sky. It may be a beginning, a signal but before America comes flat out and admits to 500 years of genocide on the idigenous and joins the international community on the ICC....there will be no true rejoining. I wonder if the USA has ever thought of herself as a member of the world community. More the dominating type.
|
Agreed 100%. But again, first things first!
|
I had a very interesting experience at the Cannes Film Festival this year. I decided to throw a party to "Celebrate the Human Spirit." It was very well attended and we had to chase people out a couple of hours after it was supposed to have ended. A number of people commented on how nice it was to go to an event that wasn't trying to sell something at that very commercial institution.
A few days later, I went to lunch with a number of attendees who were new to me. We were talking about the party and someone made the comment that I must feel very out of place in America. I replied to the contrary but then asked why he had set that. As the others murmured agreement, he pointed out to me that Americans have made it very obvious that all they care about is money. When I tried to disagree, they explained that this is the image we export to the rest of the world: In our films and television shows, it is overwhelmingly about winning and getting the money; rarely about romance or poetry or religion or politics or intellectual curiosity.
As I listened, I realized that they were absolutely correct. That is an extraordinary thing to me. It horrifies me and I think that the fact that I - who have offices in two different foreign countries, travel a lot, and consider myself fairly cosmopolitan - had never understood this before, is a sign that we may never be considered as members of the world community because, once again, we just don't get it.
SinUnNombre840275
Saturday, 23 July 2005, 11:49 pm
Personally, I hate his obvious disdain and apathy towards history. Just about everything his administration has done since it took office can be linked to a mirroring event from Nazi Germany. 9-11? Can you say, "Reichstag fire"? Oh yea, and the War on Iraq? It happened 20 years ago. It was called the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. Seriously, check it out. The similarites are downright scary...
folkie
Sunday, 24 July 2005, 12:40 am
| QUOTE (shoeless @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 2:41 pm) |
| That's OK. Even some progressives hate me. Just ask folkie. |
Never hated you, and after your Diebold post over in the flame pit, I think I love you.
But I agree with Deborah. What I hate most about Bush is the way the Democrats use him for fundraising appeals, but don't actually oppose him or the war criminal agenda of him and his cohorts. If somebody tells me one more time that I have to vote for a Democrat because of Bush, I'm going to puke. Bush isn't a Democrat and he isn't a reason to vote for a Democrat. I know how evil he is, but if you want me to vote for you, you have to show me how good you are, not keep pointing out that you're not as bad as Bush. Hell, I'm not as bad as Bush myself, but I don't think that's any reason for someone to vote for me.
SinUnNombre840275
Sunday, 24 July 2005, 12:43 am
| QUOTE (folkie @ Sunday, 24 July 2005, 1:40 am) |
Hell, I'm not as bad as Bush myself, but I don't think that's any reason for someone to vote for me. |
I'd vote for ya, Folkie!
Panda
Sunday, 24 July 2005, 12:44 am
Beautifully said, Deborah. I found those views in Ireland last year.
They are stunned at how easily our complacent citizens swallow lies.
I've lived in other countries. While they have their share of ignorant lumps elsewhere, American ignorance is especially arrogant. The assumption is that the rest of the world wants our brand of culture. Our economic plan is, "There's a sucker born every minute; I, Me, Mine." Brute force if necessary will be used to get what we want. We are very provincial in outlook, as a whole. There's not much history taught in American schools. Mostly the short history of the United States.
They're right. Money and winning are the goals of American society.
Who wants to be a millionaire? Win, win, win. Money doesn't talk it screams. Greed is good.
Bush is the epitome of ignorance and greed. He and his disgusting family are perfect examples of all that is wrong with this short sighted outlook.
folkie
Sunday, 24 July 2005, 1:07 am
| QUOTE (SinUnNombre840275 @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 10:43 pm) |
| I'd vote for ya, Folkie! |
Thanks, Sin. Not that anarchists have any elected offices I could run for, but it's the thought that counts.
shoeless
Sunday, 24 July 2005, 8:03 pm
| QUOTE (Deborah @ Saturday, 23 July 2005, 9:46 pm) |
I had a very interesting experience at the Cannes Film Festival this year. I decided to throw a party to "Celebrate the Human Spirit." It was very well attended and we had to chase people out a couple of hours after it was supposed to have ended. A number of people commented on how nice it was to go to an event that wasn't trying to sell something at that very commercial institution.
A few days later, I went to lunch with a number of attendees who were new to me. We were talking about the party and someone made the comment that I must feel very out of place in America. I replied to the contrary but then asked why he had set that. As the others murmured agreement, he pointed out to me that Americans have made it very obvious that all they care about is money. When I tried to disagree, they explained that this is the image we export to the rest of the world: In our films and television shows, it is overwhelmingly about winning and getting the money; rarely about romance or poetry or religion or politics or intellectual curiosity.
As I listened, I realized that they were absolutely correct. That is an extraordinary thing to me. It horrifies me and I think that the fact that I - who have offices in two different foreign countries, travel a lot, and consider myself fairly cosmopolitan - had never understood this before, is a sign that we may never be considered as members of the world community because, once again, we just don't get it |
Apparently, the right-wing is not very well established in Europe. How did we end up with most of the world's robber barons and their brain dead, redneck supporters in this country? I'd like to export most of them, so we can get on with building a decent, nurturing society in the US, but I'm sure no one else wants them. Maybe Bush could send them all to Mars.
maxanne
Sunday, 24 July 2005, 8:15 pm
I hate that he's had everything handed to him, and never earned anything. I hate that he was sent to the best schools in the country, and didn't take advantage of the opportunity. I hate that he completely lacks intellectual curiousity. I hate that he is an embarassment as a public speaker - and he doesn't care. I hate his arrogance. I hate his wife, his bimbo daughters, his drunken father, his nasty brothers (particularly ole herpes dick Silverado Neil), and especially his mother, who is truly the most evil member of the entire Bush crime family.
I hate that he says nukular, and makes terrorism sound like tourism. I hate that the media never calls him on his lies, and his inability to utter a complete sentence. I hate that he spews about GAWD, and bamboozles my foolish countrymen.
More than anything I hate Ronald Reagan for paving the way for him.
Deborah
Monday, 25 July 2005, 12:36 am
| QUOTE (shoeless @ Sunday, 24 July 2005, 8:03 pm) |
| Apparently, the right-wing is not very well established in Europe. How did we end up with most of the world's robber barons and their brain dead, redneck supporters in this country? I'd like to export most of them, so we can get on with building a decent, nurturing society in the US, but I'm sure no one else wants them. Maybe Bush could send them all to Mars. |
Interesting comment, Shoeless, about us and the rednecks. I wonder what effect the institution of slavery and the fact that the red states were willing to secede from the Union rather than give up their slaves has had on (a) our national consciousness, (

our national conscience, and © our standing in the World.
Seamus
Monday, 25 July 2005, 3:32 am
What do I hate most about Bush?
The happy face he puts on Social Darwinism and its merry band of devious dullard greedheads.
Our consumers (as we don't seem to have any citizens here in the good old US of A anymore) are mezmerized by a pretty face that'll tell them everyone's gonna have a piece of the pie. They want to believe it even though they're confronted with day to day evidence to the contrary.
| QUOTE (Deborah first wrote most eloquently) |
| As I listened, I realized that they were absolutely correct. That is an extraordinary thing to me. It horrifies me and I think that the fact that I - who have offices in two different foreign countries, travel a lot, and consider myself fairly cosmopolitan - had never understood this before, is a sign that we may never be considered as members of the world community because, once again, we just don't get it. |
| QUOTE (Deborah in her very next post continued) |
| I hate the fact that the Democrats have allowed Bush and his gang of whatever they are to steal two elections and that I have to spend time wondering how many they have to steal before someone in authority tries to put an end to it. |
You can now understand why Reagan, Bush1, Clinton and Bush2 were elected. We have an electorate that doesn't get it.
Please... Before some of you jump on me for putting Clinton on the list... The Republicans convinced many of you that Clinton was a Liberal Democrat*. He may have been an OK president. He was not by any way, shape or means a Liberal Democrat. Clinton was a hell of a nice guy. He was however, the DLC's meat puppet. The Democratic Leadership Council is something of an oxymoron. It has been said that DLC really means: Democrats Love Corporations, Democratic Leisure Class (Jesse Jackson eluding to the Wealthy Aristocrats within its ranks) and my favorite that a friend just brought to my attention... DLC means Destroy Liberalism Completely.
This country measures ALL THINGS monetarily. It's monolithic in its myopic philosophy. Until it gets out of this mindset, get's it's metaphorical head out of its ass, we'll continue to have an electorate that votes against their best interests thinking that they'll all be rich someday. Flailing Middle Class Wannabe Wealthy Aristocrats are killing democracy here because they're falling for the Horatio Alger Hype. Alger's novels were myth when they were first written in the early 20th Century. They still are.
We're going to wind up in a depression that'll make 1929 look like a garden party before we'll see a majority of the electorate wake up from their consumer driven debt addled stupor. That is, unless we can wake them up by pointing out facts and hammering at their dearly held, carefully cultivated, and viciously defended cognitive dissonance.
* by his own admission an "Eisenhower Republican"
demanton
Monday, 25 July 2005, 3:19 pm
I hate that he acts like everyone except him is stupid when he is asked a difficult question. "Tribal sovereignty means that. It's sovereign. You're a ... you're a ... you've been given sovereignty and you're viewed as a sovereign entity."
I hate that thing he does with speading his arms and bobbing his head while blinking rapidly when he's lying:

I hate that when he is aked about escalating Iraqi and American casualties, his first reaction is to laugh.
I hate that he is obviously not smart enough to be as evil as his adminstration's actions would lead you to believe that he is. I hate that American elected, and then
re-elected for f*** sake, a puppet for a pro-war fascist cabal.
I hate that he symbolizes everything that is wrong with America, and that under his watch America has gone from being admired and respected by the rest of the world to being hated and vilified.
I hate that he has mortgaged America's future in order to do his favors for big business.
I hate that his adminstration wraps itself in the American flag and then tramples on the freedoms that are the foundation of this country. Freedom of expression, the right to peaceably assemble, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, etc etc etc...
I could go on and on, but I am tired of this game and tired of George Bush. I am tired of his lies and hypocrisy. I am tired of the professsional bureaucrats that he has surrounding him. I am tired of living in fear of terrorists and a government that wants to legislate its morality into my life.
I am tired of being afraid that I may spend an indeterminate amount of my life being "detained" because I exercise my freedom of speech.
shoeless
Monday, 25 July 2005, 5:23 pm
| QUOTE (Deborah @ Monday, 25 July 2005, 12:36 am) |
Interesting comment, Shoeless, about us and the rednecks. I wonder what effect the institution of slavery and the fact that the red states were willing to secede from the Union rather than give up their slaves has had on (a) our national consciousness, ( our national conscience, and © our standing in the World. |
Deborah, I am sure that lingering racism has a large role to play in our problem. The strangest phenomena to me is that the whites in the south willingly decided to become virtual slaves to the robber barons after the civil war. I guess it was a result of the carpet bagging. I don't know. I suppose they were powerless to oppose their plight in the face of reconstruction.
Obviously, workers in the north felt more empowered. I suppose that is why they finally had enough of the robber barons and formed unions. Meanwhile, workers in the south just continued to accept that they were not as good as their corporate masters.
Now, that culture has come to dominate our political landscape. The pro-corporate south has the political power, and they support the uber-rich elite modern day robber barons in their efforts to turn back the clock more than 100 years when workers had no power to determine their destiny.
Or, maybe they're just stupid.
Deborah
Monday, 25 July 2005, 6:40 pm
Dear Barefoot Boy,
I'm not talking about racism. I am talking about the simple fact that it is well known throughout the world that, 150 years ago or so, half of our people were willling to fight to the death for the right to own other human beings and treat them like animals.
Look, for instance, at how we feel about the Japanese treatment of our people during WWII's Bataan Death March.
Perhaps the position we've taken as the moral arbiters of the world seems a bit of a stretch to them.
Deborah
sky of mind
Monday, 25 July 2005, 6:49 pm
I don't believe any society today or in the past has a lock on the moral high ground.
Deborah
Monday, 25 July 2005, 7:37 pm
Your opinion is probably correct but is also irrelevant as we are the only society claiming the moral high ground.
sky of mind
Monday, 25 July 2005, 7:55 pm
| QUOTE (Deborah @ Monday, 25 July 2005, 7:37 pm) |
| Your opinion is probably correct but is also irrelevant as we are the only society claiming the moral high ground. |
I disagree,
The British have pretty consistantly claimed that ground as their empire has grown.
The Japanese certainly thought they were very correct.
As did the Germans.
Pol Pot <sp> killed millions, yet I'm sure he thought he was doing right.
today, right now?
The Chinese think they wear the white hat.
As do the N Koreans.
The Arab Muslims certainly do, and are willing to die for it!
Yet, look back over this history, how many were actually walking that high road they claimed?
Not much different than the US in Vietnam 40 years ago, or Iraq today!
Or perhaps I misunderstand you?
Deborah
Monday, 25 July 2005, 8:21 pm
| QUOTE (sky of mind @ Monday, 25 July 2005, 7:55 pm) |
I disagree,
The British have pretty consistantly claimed that ground as their empire has grown.
The Japanese certainly thought they were very correct. As did the Germans.
Pol Pot <sp> killed millions, yet I'm sure he thought he was doing right.
today, right now?
The Chinese think they wear the white hat. As do the N Koreans.
The Arab Muslims certainly do, and are willing to die for it!
Yet, look back over this history, how many were actually walking that high road they claimed?
Not much different than the US in Vietnam 40 years ago, or Iraq today!
Or perhaps I misunderstand you? |
British ... it's been a long time since their Empire was doing any growing.
Neither Japanese nor the Germans thought they had a moral imperative to tell other people how to live. They were unabashedly conquering and looting the world.
Pol Pot? Are you joking? There's a huge difference between doing what is correct and doing what you can get away with.
I think you might want to back up your statements about China and North Korea with something resembling a fact.
The Arab Muslims (you do know there's a difference between "Arabs" and "Muslims", right?) are clearly sitting back and letting the US do their work for them. They are perfectly content to have their neighbors do the dying for them as well.
"Not much different"? No, only 180 degrees.
Catherine
Monday, 25 July 2005, 8:34 pm
Hey, shoe...we ought to compile all of these "Why I Hate Bush" testimonials into a neat little book with the first chapter being about Cognitive Dissonance. Everyone who has contributed to this thread could be quoted and identified by their online names and signatures.
Might be a bestseller...might even get POAC on OPRAH or (!) Bill O'Lielly...might even wake some Americans UP!
Catherine
sky of mind
Monday, 25 July 2005, 9:02 pm
Goodness Deb!
(This is the only example I will nail)
I was refering to ARABS who are MUSLIMS!
I know what I mean, and am quite intelligent and equally informed!
Sheesh, I think I best leave this alone!
MasterMind
Monday, 25 July 2005, 9:56 pm
Quote from Deb
| QUOTE |
| I wonder what effect the institution of slavery and the fact that the red states were willing to secede from the Union rather than give up their slaves has had on (a) our national consciousness, (cool.gif our national conscience, and © our standing in the World. |
Deb, you need to read up more on the facts of history. I wont debate the facts of the reasons of the civil war with you here, but its wasnt over slavery. Slavery was not made illegal until the very end of the civil war, so its becoming illegal could not have sparked the war. It had to do with far simplier things. If you want to debate the facts make a thread on it.
Making wild accusations based on ZERO facts is dangerous and the reason most people are ill informed throughout the United States.
sky of mind
Monday, 25 July 2005, 10:04 pm
| QUOTE (MasterMind @ Monday, 25 July 2005, 9:56 pm) |
Quote from Deb
Deb, you need to read up more on the facts of history. I wont debate the facts of the reasons of the civil war with you here, but its wasnt over slavery. Slavery was not made illegal until the very end of the civil war, so its becoming illegal could not have sparked the war. It had to do with far simplier things. If you want to debate the facts make a thread on it.
Making wild accusations based on ZERO facts is dangerous and the reason most people are ill informed throughout the United States. |
Slavery was not an issue in the civil war untill Lincolns Gettysburg address.
Also of interest. After the end of the Civil war, Lincoln gave righs to southern blacks that he did not give to northern blacks! Voting rights, right to own property, and the right to hold elected office. And in fact, this is exacxtly why the KKK came into being.
How does that factor in?
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