Jack
Sunday, 17 July 2005, 1:12 am
I have a question for all of you. In the days after 9/11, when Bush's approval was around 90%, were you amoung the 90% americans who approved of him at that time or were apart of the 10%?
I will admit that i was a fan of bush, if you want to call it that, from around 9/11 to about mid-november of 2001. When i saw that the afgan war wasn't working and starting hearing crap about iraq, that is where i got off.
Does anyone else want to be apart of this 12 step program and admit that you once supported bush, maybe for an instance?
dori
Sunday, 17 July 2005, 2:31 am
I saw the planes hit WTC over and over and over and thought, "the government is behind this."
No, I didn't for one second back Bush.
POAC
Sunday, 17 July 2005, 5:26 am
I supported Bush. I supported the invasion of Afghanistan. I even supported the usage of Gitmo.
Catherine
Sunday, 17 July 2005, 10:06 am
The moment I learned about the attacks on 9/11, my reaction was "This has happened because of George W. Bush and his overall weakness as the president of the US."
But, I have to admit that I was so angry because of what the government subsequently made me believe, albeit temporarily, I DID look at Bush with a new attitude. After all, I thought, he was all we had....he WAS the prez, and as such, we had the responsibility to support the prez during a time such as this, right?
I supported the Afgan attacks but I never did feel exactly right about Bush, no matter what I kept telling myself. Then, when he started talking about Iraq, that's when I said, nope...this man is WRONG, totally.
From that moment to this one, I've been working to see Bush have to slink back to Texas, traveling on a one way ticket.
Catherine
sky of mind
Sunday, 17 July 2005, 10:34 am
I supported Bush, because he was the President and I felt I had no other option!
Like most Americans, I was deeply emotionally hurt and very angry. I wanted these people to be caught and pay! I wanted to see them vivasectioned then drawn and quartered! Literally!
Before 9/11, Bush had become, the ghost president. Yeah, he had the title, but he stayed pretty much in Crawford and left the country alone.
After 9/11, we needed leadership badly! Hell, Ronald McDonald himself could have stepped up to that plate at that moment, if he would promise to get these "evil doers!"
I supported the invasion of Afghanistan, because we were told that was Osama's Hang out! And we were told Osama was in charge of the 9/11 deal. Go gettum Bushie! Kill the bastard!
I supported the invasion of Iraq
ONLY to the point that Bushco SEEMED to have compelling evidence, AND I still was focused on 9/11!
I used to hang in discussion chats and the issue of should we invade Iraq was a very hot subject. I'd guess prolly 3/4 supported and the rest were either insure or didn't support it.
Myself, my opinion was as follows....
OK, I hear your arguments for war. I have watched Colon Powell on TV at the UN and seen the fuzzy pictures. I do not want to wait for this so called mushroom cloud you speak of. However, you better be telling the truth! We better not be about to waste the lives of countless American Boys and Girls so that YOU can look tough like yer daddy! You better NOT be lying to me, or I'll NEVER buy into your horse shit again!
And it's my opinion that's how most Americans felt about it, and now most Americans see that it was Horse shit, and they are completely fed up! Some of us are even in our dreams angry for having been lied to so completely!
Bushco indeed did have political capitol after 9/11, and then savagely and stupidly wasted it! Case in point???
WHERE IS OSAMA? For me, HE is WHY we invaded Iraq! Forget all the other crap.
Bushco Lied us into war!
HE LIED!
IMPEACH BUSH!
Mr. Natural
Sunday, 17 July 2005, 11:01 am
I never supported Bush. There WAS information about him that nobody paid any attention to because of the brainwashing by the "news" media. Texas had and still has among the sorriest public schools in the nation. Under Bush, there were WAY more executions in Texas than ANY place in the world. Under Bush, industry was told to 'regulate' themselves vis-a-vis polution. The litany of sins just goes on and on.
When Bush was selected, I was even more aghast at the horror of it (as a good labor sensitive citizen) than I was when Ray-gun was selected and re-selected.
I applaud you all for your vision, intelligence and HEART, that you can see what is going on around you now...God bless the peace makers.
maxanne
Sunday, 17 July 2005, 6:52 pm
I was never able to trust him. After seeing the clip of him reading "My Pet Goat" I knew we were screwed. Then he spent the whole day doing Brave Sir Robin, hiding in bunkers.
Nope. I've loathed him since I learned of his existence, with the same loathing I have for all of his family members, especially Babs.
Catherine
Sunday, 17 July 2005, 7:13 pm
I have to tell you what one of my students said on the morning of September 12, 2001.
I had gathered the students round for their morning sharing time, and of course all they wanted to talk about were the attacks and what their parents had said about them the night before. One of the boys (these are 9 year olds) was just
bouncing to get something said. When I called on him, he said...
"My daddy said Bush went and hid in a rabbit hole after he finally got off his butt at that elementary school and went to see what was going on. He's a coward and my daddy don't like him...at all. I don't either."
Out of the mouths of babes....and one wise parent.
Catherine
Legato_Bluesummers
Sunday, 17 July 2005, 10:05 pm
I never supported this president, either before or after 9/11. I never understood why everyone was saying "good thing Bush is prez, because if we had Gore, we'd really be in trouble!", as if Bush is the only person who could point to a map and say "bomb here". He just should've stuck with Afghanistan, and actually gotten bin Laden when they had them in our grasp.
The real trouble came when he pushed for and started the Iraq War. All the goodwill our country built up over the last 60 years him and his handlers p1ssed away in less than 4. Make no mistake, this is Vietnam II, the desert version. Too bad it has taken over two years for the sheeple to see what level headed people saw from the beginning.
His domestic policy has set us back decades as a nation. Both economically (from surplus to staggering record setting deficit, as well as increasing the national debt in 4 years about as much as Reagan did in 8 years), socially, as well as his failed foreign policy. We're more hated around the world today than ever before thanks to the policies of this administration.
The Iraq War costs about $300 million a day, about $1 dollar a day each, per American. Our defense secretary himself says we could be there for over another decade! And they continue to refuse to even put the war in the budget, deciding instead to push through these quarterly 'emergency spending bills'. Then they say they support our soldiers while cutting their benefits! Amazing!
He will go down in history as one of, if not the worst president of all time. Too bad the job is left to us to clean up the mess caused by these criminals.
Looking at this situation I see that you don't have to be qualified to be president, you just have to be electible. Clinton was qualified to be president. Gore was qualified to be president. Hell, even GHW Bush was qualified to be president. The only thing W has (besides his father's brand name) is his increasingly apparent affliction with althzheimers disease. He can hardly even speak anymore, and is beginning to remind me of Reagan in his final years. And this is the guy that we've entrusted the nuclear football with?
We've got life and death decisions for our entire country being made on the basis of daily opinion polls and policy dictated to our blubbering CiC by a four time college dropout with the nickname Turd Blossom. Now that's scary.
Lets just hope the D's pick up some seats in the '06 elections that are right around the corner. You know what they say, the lesser of two evils.
/.02
Idealist Cynic
Monday, 18 July 2005, 11:16 am
Neither myself nor my family members supported Bush, even right after 9-11. We immediately saw through the phony pet goat photo op and the "Where's Waldo Bush" peregrinations around the country. We immediately assumed at least gross incompetence or negligence in relation to 9-11, especially after reflecting on the events that day and knowing that similar plots were foiled during the Clinton presidency. My mother in law was immediately suspicious and assumed the Bush administration was complicit in 9-11.
We did support the Afghan war to get Bin Laden. We displayed the US flag in solidarity. But we never supported Bush or his administration, just our fellow Americans. Unlike the thoughts of the reactionary enablers of the Bush Administration that you cannot support America without supporting Bush, we realized we can support America and oppose Bush.
It soon became apparent to us that there was something fishy about 9-11. Heck the stock put options for United Airlines were even reported on the mainstream TV stations.
Once Bush began to stonewall and influence the 9-11 investigation/commission, there was no turning back for us.
Proud members of the 10% who never supported him.
Toshiro Tzu
Monday, 18 July 2005, 4:30 pm
What do you mean by support? Did I agree that we should go after the sons of a bitches who did it? Of course and that was all we really agreed on.
Panda
Monday, 18 July 2005, 5:03 pm
I never supported (financially or with my vote) this lying fratboy thug or his daddy's buddies. I'm one of the 10%. I worked for Gore. I haven't had a president since the coup. MY president was hounded by a "Republican" congress and a bought-and-paid-for press. MY nominee for president was maligned for the way he BREATHED!
I knew we'd be in deep shit if these criminals got back into our White House...sure enough. Worst unelected pResident in history. Lousiest, most unethical creature to ever occupy the Oval Office. Most disgusting and criminal power grab EVER. Rottenest piece of amoral shit to take the oath of office.
No, I didn't agree with attacking Afghanistan. Catching Bin Laden, yes. That didn't require the bombing of innocent civilians but the neocons did it anyway. The Taliban is back in power and the poppy crop has boomed since we arrived. Women are still in Burkas. Where's the justification for war against a nation NOT involved in 9/11? What did the Afghan people ever do to us? Oh, that's right, the Taliban didn't want our carpet of gold so Chimpy gave them the carpet of bombs he promised. Gotta have that pipeline to the Caspian Sea. This was being planned long before 9/11. Facts are facts.
PNAC had plans.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htmMost of the terrorists were Saudi. There might have been training camps in Afghanistan but didn't we already know where those were? Didn't we know how the Russians had been bogged down there and didn't we share intell. with them? The entire "War on Terra" is based on a pack of lies. ALL of it. Not just Iraq.
It's about the oil, just like we all KNEW it would be.
OBTW..where's Osama?
sky of mind
Monday, 18 July 2005, 10:37 pm
| QUOTE (Toshiro Tzu @ Monday, 18 July 2005, 4:30 pm) |
| What do you mean by support? Did I agree that we should go after the sons of a bitches who did it? Of course and that was all we really agreed on. |
Once again Tzu, we agree word for word.
I didn't support the President.
I supported the office of the president and EXPECTED the lying bastard to go after the farkin terrorists that killed over 3000 of my fellow Americans who were all innocent. Mothers, fathers, sons and daughters that died gruesome horrible agonizing deaths. People who looked death straight in the face, and had no choice but to wait for it.
Did I support Bush? Never!
He was the village idiot before 9/11, he was the village idiot after 9/11.
But I wanted the criminals caught and either punished severly or killed and the killing filmed!
I am a liberal, that is sometimes conservative.
And this time I wanted death!
Now the conservative in me wants to see every single social conservative thrown to the curb.
Blue or Red, kick the bastards out!
Bush and his men?
I'd like them all to enlist as boots third!
Minimum term of service? Unlimited!
(taking deep breaths)
Thank you Tzu, you expressed it much more accurately that I can.
Rationality
Monday, 18 July 2005, 10:44 pm
| QUOTE (JackD @ Saturday, 16 July 2005, 11:12 pm) |
I have a question for all of you. In the days after 9/11, when Bush's approval was around 90%, were you amoung the 90% americans who approved of him at that time or were apart of the 10%?
I will admit that i was a fan of bush, if you want to call it that, from around 9/11 to about mid-november of 2001. When i saw that the afgan war wasn't working and starting hearing crap about iraq, that is where i got off.
Does anyone else want to be apart of this 12 step program and admit that you once supported bush, maybe for an instance? |
I never believed in LIHOP or MIHOP, but I was one of the 10 percent. I opposed the PATRIOT ACT before opposing it was cool, and was able to guess that Bush was going to exploit 9/11 to promote an imperialist foreign policy. Even then, I thought Bush was at least going to try to get Osama Bin Laden....
Jack
Monday, 18 July 2005, 10:54 pm
I get the feeling that some of you are not being 100% honest about once supporting bush. Everyone makes mistakes. I admit it and i wish that some of you liars would too. Lies cause cancer.
sky of mind
Monday, 18 July 2005, 11:03 pm
| QUOTE (JackD @ Monday, 18 July 2005, 10:54 pm) |
| I get the feeling that some of you are not being 100% honest about once supporting bush. Everyone makes mistakes. I admit it and i wish that some of you liars would too. Lies cause cancer. |
You know Jack, that's an interesting phenomena that's taking over, at least around here.
It seems even conservatives don't wanna admit they supported Bush!
Example, had this conversation today....
A guy I work with is one of those loud mouth talking points bull shit Republicans that openly states that liberals are anti-american and we all outta go to Iraq!
Well, today he said that he's never really been a Republican, that he only says all that stuff just to piss people off!
I squared up and looked him straight in the eye and said, "Brad! You're so full of shit, it only proves yer a Repug!"
This guy bought a cabin at Priest lake Idaho. Smack dab in the center of the white supremists.
I think this observation deserves further study
Jack
Monday, 18 July 2005, 11:21 pm
So only myself and POAC will admit it? It seems like the odds of so many people being part of such a small minority, all here at once, is slim to nill. Now, I'm not into math or what some of you might call "book learnin'" but something don't seem to add up.
sky of mind
Monday, 18 July 2005, 11:28 pm
| QUOTE (JackD @ Monday, 18 July 2005, 11:21 pm) |
| So only myself and POAC will admit it? It seems like the odds of so many people being part of such a small minority, all here at once, is slim to nill. Now, I'm not into math or what some of you might call "book learnin'" but something don't seem to add up. |
No, wait a minute.
I said I supported Bush and the invasion of Iraq because of the things we were told.
I was skeptical, but their evidence seemed compelling.
It has been proven that my skepticism was accurate.
I supported the invasion. And Bush was the man who ordered it!
I have never liked Bush, or agreed with his politics.
Not before, during or after.
I have nothing to defend here.
I suspect many of us feel similarly
I know many people who have never liked or supported Bush, ever!
Not under any circumstance!
JayHawk
Monday, 18 July 2005, 11:28 pm
Never supported Bush nor any of the military actions. Despised Clinton but was impressed with his sax work and his courage during the Lewinsky blowout. The only Presidents I really admired were Ike and JFK. When the planes hit the towers I thought to myself "how in the hell did they get past NORAD?". I was against the US going after anyone in retaliation. Gulf Wars 1&2 pissed me off to the max. One of my closest friends was there both times. He was an E-8. He gave me all of his music tapes while on short R&R here. We prayed together for all the poor souls that had lost their lives and all of those who would certainly soon lose theirs. My friend was a born-again but not brainwashed. He lost a few of his "kids" there and it haunted him. He never came back to visit after that....GWS melted him away. No, I never supported the chimp, not for one minute. He used 9/11 to his advantage. It was obvious. Believe it or not, take it or leave it.
Jack
Monday, 18 July 2005, 11:40 pm
| QUOTE (sky of mind @ Monday, 18 July 2005, 10:28 pm) |
No, wait a minute.
I said I supported Bush and the invasion of Iraq because of the things we were told. I was skeptical, but their evidence seemed compelling. It has been proven that my skepticism was accurate. I supported the invasion. And Bush was the man who ordered it!
I have never liked Bush, or agreed with his politics. Not before, during or after.
I have nothing to defend here. I suspect many of us feel similarly
I know many people who have never liked or supported Bush, ever! Not under any circumstance! |
Sky I am a bit confused by your comments.
" I supported Bush, because he was the President and I felt I had no other option!
Like most Americans, I was deeply emotionally hurt and very angry. I wanted these people to be caught and pay! I wanted to see them vivasectioned then drawn and quartered! Literally!"
but then you say in another post
"I didn't support the President...I have never liked Bush, or agreed with his politics.
Not before, during or after."
and then you said
"I said I supported Bush and the invasion of Iraq because of the things we were told."
You know, stuff like this is what took down John Kerry. But i am not judgemental, just very confused.
sky of mind
Tuesday, 19 July 2005, 12:10 am
| QUOTE (JackD @ Monday, 18 July 2005, 11:40 pm) |
| QUOTE (sky of mind @ Monday, 18 July 2005, 10:28 pm) | No, wait a minute.
I said I supported Bush and the invasion of Iraq because of the things we were told. I was skeptical, but their evidence seemed compelling. It has been proven that my skepticism was accurate. I supported the invasion. And Bush was the man who ordered it!
I have never liked Bush, or agreed with his politics. Not before, during or after.
I have nothing to defend here. I suspect many of us feel similarly
I know many people who have never liked or supported Bush, ever! Not under any circumstance! |
Sky I am a bit confused by your comments.
" I supported Bush, because he was the President and I felt I had no other option!
Like most Americans, I was deeply emotionally hurt and very angry. I wanted these people to be caught and pay! I wanted to see them vivasectioned then drawn and quartered! Literally!"
but then you say in another post
"I didn't support the President...I have never liked Bush, or agreed with his politics. Not before, during or after."
and then you said
"I said I supported Bush and the invasion of Iraq because of the things we were told."
You know, stuff like this is what took down John Kerry. But i am not judgemental, just very confused.
|
Jack,
I see your point.
Sometimes it's not simply black n white.
This is one of those times when shades of grey are required.
On the lead up to invasion I argued long and hard against the invasion.
I saw greed in his eyes! I heard lies on his lips.
But things happened.
I saw Colon Powell in the UN.
I heard the Bushco arguments for war.
I said, wow, what if?
My opinion of Bush had not changed, but I grudgingly supported the invasion.
The arguments were compelling. What if?
I did not support the president, but I wanted him to get the bastards that caused 9/11, and HE told us to get him we had to go through Baghdad. I didn't think I could believe him, but the arguments were compelling. You know, What if?
Now maybe you can imagine why I am so angry?
Maybe we can all understand why most of America might be angry?
We were grievously lied too! In our time of need we chose to trust someone that didn't deserve it,
and he lied to us!
Anyway, this is a confusing and touchy subject.
I don't like any aspect of Bush,
and it angers me that I trusted any aspect of him or his,
and it angers me that he never does what he says,
the rest of the time he's lying and covering up.
And yeah, it piss's me off to have to admit that I supported any aspect of the lying chimp.
However, I'll get over being called on it soon enough.
dori
Tuesday, 19 July 2005, 1:06 am
| QUOTE |
I never supported Bush. There WAS information about him that nobody paid any attention to because of the brainwashing by the "news" media. Texas had and still has among the sorriest public schools in the nation. Under Bush, there were WAY more executions in Texas than ANY place in the world. Under Bush, industry was told to 'regulate' themselves vis-a-vis polution. The litany of sins just goes on and on.
When Bush was selected, I was even more aghast at the horror of it (as a good labor sensitive citizen) than I was when Ray-gun was selected and re-selected.
I applaud you all for your vision, intelligence and HEART, that you can see what is going on around you now...God bless the peace makers.
|
I agree with Mr. Natural. There was too much information about Bush available to trust him in any way. The man had never succeeded in anything he had atttempted. He is the poster boy for 'failure'.
But I also see sky's point. It is the people who trusted him an any way, no matter how small that trust was, that have to feel the most angry now. This isn't just a failure against our country and our human instincts, it is a personal afront to anyone who was sidetracked by the horrible events of 9/11 into trusting Bush to do anything for the good of the country.
We know him better now, even those of us who never could stand the guy to start with. I never realized anyone could be this cruel and unfeeling. It isn't something any of us ever wanted to know.
And to whomever said it is Babs who sets their teeth on edge the most, I heartily agree!
Toshiro Tzu
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 5:53 pm
| QUOTE (JackD @ Monday, 18 July 2005, 10:54 pm) |
| I get the feeling that some of you are not being 100% honest about once supporting bush. Everyone makes mistakes. I admit it and i wish that some of you liars would too. Lies cause cancer. |
I am being honest. I was dogging it out with people over the plans to invade Assghanistan when this shit first happened and still do to this day. I've never once said the phrase "I support George W Bush." Do I agree with him on a couple of things, naturally, but there's a difference between the two.
Seamus
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, 6:11 pm
| QUOTE (JackD @ Monday, 18 July 2005, 10:54 pm) |
| I get the feeling that some of you are not being 100% honest about once supporting bush. Everyone makes mistakes. I admit it and i wish that some of you liars would too. Lies cause cancer. |
Sorry...
I never voted for Bush. I never fell for that divisive bullshit that posed for "issues" that the Repugnants run on.
I did not support the President without reserve immediately after 9/11. He works for us, for me. It's not our place to support him. It's our place to question him.
I'm not getting cancer.
Dave
Thursday, 21 July 2005, 2:50 am
Any and all things bush have always caused me instictive revulsion. As one is repelled from decay and putrefaction, I am repelled by all things Bush. I feel and have felt this nauseating repulsion since the first day I saw Asshole 1 speak, 30 years ago.
Support? I have difficulty understanding how anyone with an ounce of sensitivity can't feel the visceral revulsion I feel, and as I did, on first exposure.
And I better not be questioned about the veracity of my statement.
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