No, seriously

Well i don't have that power but....

No, i don't care. The more independently people think, the better off we all are. I am the only one that chose "Not very good", not "terrible". I think that when people who are chastised for straying from the flock, that is ridicules. I was banned from the DU for saying that Bush didn't steal the election and that i didn't like john kerry. Same thing happened to Bill Maher when he said that he thought that the iraq war could bring some good to the region. I hate people, left and right, who only practice knee jerk, reactionary bull shit. While i am preplexed, i really couldn't care less beyond that.

Yes, i am aware that i mispelled "terrible." Remember, i was in elementery school under George Bush Sr.

Are you a latent Republican?

My parents voted for Reagan for his second term.
They regretted it. I rubbed it in.
I'll treat you like family from now on and abuse you mercilessly if you like.

Actually, I see why they liked him.
I understand.
It was Stockholm Syndrome.

tell that to the union members he fired for going on strike.

What Panda Said...

I don't understand why people liked that phony.

The bastard declared open season for labor. He was the happy face the bastards put up while behind the scenes they began disassembling the Neal Deal and the American Middle Class. It was MOURNING in MURRKHAH™.

It went downhill from there.

I too don't think George Bush stole the election, and I too don't like John Kerry. And I liked Ronald Reagan as President.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, and I agree that knee-jerk politics, whether it is on the right or the left, is wrong.

And then someone asked me if I was a latent Republican. Let me answer that by saying that I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I don't believe in political parties. I believe in people. I don't agree with our party system, but since its all we have right now, we have to go with it. What I believe, and many of you may disagree with, is that sometimes Republicans are right and sometimes Democrats are right. I think Carter was a horrible President and the nation suffered under his lack of leadership. And then Reagan came along and turned the country around in a positive way. Does that make me a Republican to say that? I also thought Bush's father was ok and I would have liked to have seen him have a second term instead of Clinton. Clinton was a mediocre President at best. But "W" is the worst President I have seen in my lifetime, including Nixon.

I believe in America and I have seen America when it has been much better than it is today. Bush brings out the worst in America, and the worst in myself.

Ah, Stop yer whining you sissy labor loving Murrkhah Hater.


But Seriously Folks...

Reagan was the smiley face representing the assault on the rights of the regular Joe and Jane. This was the period we went from citizens to consumers.

Anyone here read Sleepwalking Through History: America in the Reagan Years by Haynes Johnson?

Slightly off topic... Why don't we have a Citizen Confidence Index? Why is it we hear only about Consumer Confidence?

nope, haven't read that one yet.

My view of Reagen....hmm, he was my commander in chief, I believe. Irrelevant.
Reagen "made" millions of jobs. Minimum wage jobs. Hire and fire jobs. Looked good on paper but in reality it was wool over the public's eyes.

He set the tone for today's Reactionary Ripoff Republican Corporate Neo-Feudalists.

He was a B Actor playing an at best C Grade President.

He was the front man for Corporate America's Counter-Attack. The The Powell Memorandum (aka Powell Manifesto) makes it quite clear that movement conservatives would make a concerted effort to take back the ground won by labor during the New Deal. Gotta have cheap labor.

Basically in a nutshell, Powell set out an agenda to vilify the concept of The Common, make equality a bad word, redefine fraud as "profitability", give the foxes the keys to the henhouse and call it "Deregulation"... etc etc etc ad nauseum.

Bullshit works for me. Sadly bullshit doesn't seem mean enough. This agenda's about being ruthless.

Ummm considering that Carter inherited a shitty economy from Nixon and Ford coming into office with an economy at 7.4 unemployment, which got slightly better while he was in office but eventually went right back to where it was when he came in (first president to do that btw). To say he was horrible because he made sure the country didn't get worse is either naive or a stretch. Then in comes Reagan, gives us his trickle down economics, BOOM unemployment jumps up to over 10% unemployment. Those jobs he created, yey, he replaced all of the GOOD ones he lost previously and then replaced them with service sector jobs. Wait that sounds familiar.... oh right Dubya!

However with all this said I've just now realized you haven't told us why you believe Carter was so bad. So... why is that?

family medical leave act
americans with disabilities act
lowest nat'l debt in years
re-hired fired air traffic controllers

....yeah mediacore I guess.......he kicked ass!

do you think we would still have those jobs today......even without NAFTA?

Now the Mexican workface is even complaing about jobs going to China....China is not included in NAFTA....

but the textile jobs mostly went overseas.......not to Mexico....so not really a NAFTA issue is it........

Now if you had done the research and said "manufacturing jobs" appliances, automobiles, auto parts, etc.......I might of thought your post had some merits...

Had you had the disadvantage to be a teenager when the drooler was Governor of CA, you might not think of him so kindly.

Grandfatherly individuals do not encourage the authorities to shoot down kids who object to being sent to die in some stupid war 10,000 miles away, as Reagan did. Reagan did this long before he had senility as an excuse.

Reagan was the front man the Facists used to further their agenda. He had no power other than figure head. Asswipe the Elder was running the show from the day Reagan was shot for the next 12 years. BTW, did you know the kid who shot St Ronnie was closely connected to the Bushes? Look it up.

And what did the good christan Reagan do for Christianity? He gave legitimacy to Moon, that's what.



The paper St Ron the Doltish is holding is a Moonie Publication pre-dating the WA Times. This was the signal for the right to embrace Moon money and personnel.

Reagan was a first class motherfucker and the feelings people expressed for him are nothing more than evidence of how thoroughly Americans are propagandized and led to believe in things that are patently false.

So now wait, let me get this straight, you counter my post by saying the textile industry in North Carolina wasn't affected by NAFTA (which it was and is why Edwards ended up running from NC instead of one of Clinton's former aides who helped write NAFTA), by listing all of the other awful things it did..... at what point are you debunking me?

Was Clinton an awful president because of NAFTA, no, he also did alot of good things for us, but NAFTA seriously screws up his chance of being a "great" president.

if anything screws up his chances, it would be NAFTA- though it hardly overcomes the peace and prosperity that this country enjoyed during his presidency...

gotta love that peace and prosperity (even if god and baby jesus hates it)

-t-

Clinton was a damn good President.
I can't however claim he was perfection.
Though he was very good, he was also human.

Thus, he was impeached!
And even this cannot remove all that he accomplished!

I agree.

Maybe this is just to blame his health on everything? Not sure...if what she writes is true, it is sad in a way that he was failing so quick....I have empathy for that.

oh go shave yourself

Most textile jobs are now in the third world.....not in Mexico that is my point....some of them might of first went to Mexico, but they found even cheaper labor elsewhere....

Hahahahaaaaaa!

Only if Panda does too, she said males first which implies women will go next.

Yeah, but I was lying in order to get my mitts on the pics.
Hey, I "might" if you guys all go first.

"MIGHT" = NOT A CHANCE!

but you guys go on ahead.





Everybody send Panda any images of Guckerts moneymaker!

Acccckkkkk!
There's a "thing" in front of him blocking my view.

Wait, evidence he didn't shave so that pic doesn't count.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/USMCPT%20PHOTO%20GALLERY.pdf

More proof that Bush is the most awful monster ever to occupy our White House.
Softball questions, indeed.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/02/man-called-jeff.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon

Scorecard of Evil...Chimp's first term:
http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard.html


I'm always incredibly guilty of thread drift...back to the St. Teflon poll.

As Dave said, most (thinking people) who lived in CA during Reagan's gubernatorial nightmare remember him with disgust. He was sharper then and his nastiness was clearly visible, as opposed to the loveable image "Eh, what did you say? They haven't told me about that yet." crammed down our collective throats while he was titular president. Berkeley made Ron a STAR!


When "the powers" ran him for president many of us scoffed. We didn't think America would buy what we so clearly saw as a horrible man. We were wrong.
Reagan misses the "worst" classification since was already impaired and didn't know what the hell he was doing other than eating jelly beans and giving canned speeches. The Reagan years, Mourning in America, were really Poppy I, part A. Reagan was "handled" and "marketed" with lovely graphics and soaring music. It was false advertising.
I feel compassion for people with Alzheimer's who aren't actively destroying the fabric of the United States of America.

PATCO still pisses me off. Reagan was anti Amerian worker....