The above was written FOUR years ago. What does that tell you?

Remember, some things are worth obstructing! (like legislation and court nominees who would deprive us of our liberties)

Agreed, Sands4...but how do we get them to do it?

Welcome to POAC, by the way!

Catherine

Battle Plan for supporters of the Democrats should be to threaten the Demorats that you people wont vote with them, support them, their sponsors and their agendas reguardless if they back down to the Bush Camp.

The Dem's in office know that given the choice between the Bush camp or them well you all are gonna side with the Dems. Not much of an incentive to stick to their guns on issues and be held accountable for their actions or lack thereof.

They know the "left" isnt going to back Bush and now seeign how scared most of the "left" is to vote third party they know in Blue States its a sure thing.

I think the supporters of the Democrats need to put the same type of pressure the "right" put on their senetors and congressmen when Clinton was in office

Theres no incentive for them to step up and be a voice of the people


Letter Writting campains........were beyond that. Arent you tired of being ignored or sent back a form letter?

Bumperstickers are good advertisement but wont spark any change, its just like tee shirts great conversation piece but not something that sticks in the minds of most people.

Sky Writing, Window Banners, all good ideas but weve been doing it for years now and accomplished NOTHING, actually I think its our decission that we can handle this in a peacefull protest with small examples of social out cries that has led us to where we are worse off now than we were when we started.

Granted more people have become "awakened" to the evils of this regime we need to do more than jsut wake people up.

When you think of the great social battles in this country consider where the Civil Rights arguement would be had the Blacks stayed in their churches and bitched about the injustice or just passed out flyers on the corner.

Social change is only gonna come when were no longer afraid of having the firehose and dogs turned lose on us.

Sorry if I ranted

I've written my senators about the drilling in the AWR and about the judicial nominees. I've signed online petitions. I've written to my local and regional newspapers. I've donated monies I don't really have to give to Democratic solicitation (except the last call I got from John Kerry's office I told them to go fly a kite basically). I"ve not heard back from Elizabeth Dole, which didn't surprise me at all. She's done NOTHING as far as I know. I doubt if she's even been on Capitol Hill since she was elected. But Richard Burr, the Republican who replaced John Edwards, sent me two form letters of acknowledgment. The words were the same except they'd been changed in certain places to conform to the subject.

You'd have thought I"d written him in support of Bush!



Catherine

http://tedkennedy.com/journal/70/your-thou...-gop-power-grab

sorry, but i can't get excited about democrats any more. ( i'm still 100% against republicans)

i love hillary clinton and would have done anything possible to help her run for president, but after kerry, i lost faith in them. Additionally, most of them seem to be on the same platform as republicans.

so, with that in mind, i just won't vote any more. there won't be any changes no matter who gets in anyways..so, why bother? what democrat will stnad up and say he'll end the war? what democrat will stand up and say he'll abolish the patriot act? you get my point..i don't have to keep posting the list....

That's funny, I'm probably one of the most even keeled people you'll meet, but you know oh so much about me through this forum, don't you? Oops, damn, there was that sarcastic response you were waiting for. I can see it now, you've got this image of me popping a vein completely red faced while staring at the monitor, right? Now how about you address the point I made, that being, if he doesn't believe whining on forums accomplishes anything and is waiting for a political group to take action, why doesn't he, or you for that matter, start one? Groups like MoveOn are the largest contributors to political campaigns, instead of whining about lobbyists, we simply flood the Hill with our own.

Actually, the forum is also extremely useful for gaining information.


you're absolutely right, sky and i should have added that in my post. but in my eagerness to stress another point, i overlooked that one...my bad. and thanks for the correction.

now for the kid: to be honest, tofu, i really don't know where you stand on issues, and i believe you don't either. in several of your posts you are gung-ho about the war and very supportive of bush policies, then in others you defend yourself by claiming to be a liberal democrat. and, you seems to wait for an opportune time to jump immediately into a defense mode.

i'm not saying i dislike you, but this is about the third time you've been more than willing to challenge me, let alone other posters. i don't mind a good debate and even a good argument, but can you keep the graphics to a minimum? they kinda take away from your words..know what i mean?

back to the issue....my point being, as i stated in other posts, i'm disappointed with the democratic party as a whole. when i read M.Moore's book, he stated that the democrats anticipated losing this election...which they did. he claims he was told that months in advance...must be true since the book was out long before elections. so, that being the case, who did the democrats bullshit here? me? you? everyone? ....with this already lost election. i don't like being made a fool of, and i'm sure you and others don't either.

so..am i disgruntled with the democratic party? very much so. will i vote for another just because they are running against a republican? possibly not..until i know where they are coming from.

will i vote for a republican? never in my lifetime.

so, other than that, my choices are limited, unless of course, if i wanted ralph whats-his-name.....sheesh...is this all we have to offer?

Stop & Block!

It does amaze me, of all the millions of good people in this nation, we always end up with some really lousey canidates for office.....

why is that?

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, June 2005:

"I know it's frustrating for many of you, it's frustrating for me. Why can't the Democrats do more to stop them? ... I mean, c'mon, toughen up, guys, it's only our Constitution and country at stake. Let's get some spine!"





http://www.backbonecampaign.org

STOP BOLTON

http://www.pacforachange.com/

http://ga4.org/campaign/new_nominee/d73nud44558nd6

http://www.stopbolton.org/bolton_video.html

http://presidentboxer.blogspot.com

"Urge your Senators to Reject John Bolton's Nomination as UN Ambassador John Bolton is absolutely the wrong choice for this sensitive diplomatic post. Bolton has shown contempt for the United Nations throughout his career, has politicized intelligence to create phantom "imminent threats," and has bullied intelligence analysts to try to get them to say what he wants, even when it's not true. Surely we can do better -- urge your Senators to reject John Bolton's nomination!"

What is with us??? As Ronald Reagan would say, "There we go again!"




Well that battle was lost. OK, so the next fight is here. Let's see some fire:

http://democrats.senate.gov/AskRoberts/

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Sky Writers? That sounds too much like ChemTrails! You eeevil Republican,
I always knew you were on my side!

This is what passes for wit among the Pods.

Banal? Childish? Words fail me. I am whelmed.

If you have kids, then you might see
how this looks like a kid that feels left out of the group
and tries way too hard, and fails to join.

Say anything rather than have nothing to say.

Bolton recess appointment another example of Bush's arrogance and disdain for democracy.

From Senator Boxer:



http://www.barbaraboxer.com

So, will Roberts still get a "free ride" now?

Of course... he'll get a free ride, a freedom medal and a big big raise...

OBTW, Nice signs, Sands... Do you create them?

and mga? I agree with your assessment of Democrats... but not with your choice about not bothering to vote because of their lack of... dare I say it... vision.

Hey mga, good to see another former RR poster!

I gotta say that we have a conundrum of which there are no solutions.

That sed, we still have a conundrum.

The Dems and repubs are one defunct party. Look at how complicit the dems are to add pork to the new trans bill, or the last omnibus spending Bill. Or look at the renewed patriot act. I could go on.

The democratic party makes me even SICKER than the repubs. At least the republicans want our country bad enough to steal it 24/7/365.

I think both parties have completely overshot their base, left their traditional supporters in the cold, in the dark and alone to fend for themselves.

What we need is not a political party, we need a revolution!

But what kind. Fortunately I don't have the answer. And if you you accepted mine I would not serve.....

We are in the EXACT same spot as IRAQ, funny how circles work.

WE need to create our own democracy from scratch, spontaneously despite the fact that bloodsucking, murdering con men are damned determined to keep installing psuedo democratically elected puppet leaders with friendly ties to the real ruling class.

We are approaching a tipping point, one where the future of our nation will be reclaimed or surrendered to the faction who covets it the most.

We are approaching a crossroads with destiny and we need to make a stand for ourselves and invent our own selves as free people as it has been our proud heritage to do since our nations inception.

Democrats and republicans will NEVER EVER lead us again, or serve us again.

It is time to give up on the old and commit ourselves with vengeance to a new beginning.

Ready to take on Roberts?

http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=advocacy

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Stop Alito:

Alito is a notoriously right-wing judge on the Third Circuit Court of Appeals. He has consistently ruled to strip basic protections from workers, women, minorities and the disabled in favor of unchecked power for corporations and special interests.

Bush's ploy to woo the far-right could reshape the High Court for decades to come—but we don't have to let that happen. Today we're joining the campaign to stop him by aiming to collect 500,000 signatures in 48 hours. Can you help us get there?

http://www.moveonpac.org/stopalito/?id=624...Uk.WeF7V5hQ&t=2

The right loves to say any time the Democrats resist or block a Republican bill or nominee or idea, "Well, Democrats, why don't you tell us what you'd like to do? What's your plan?" That's like a rapist getting kicked in the nuts by his potential victim and then asking her, "Well, okay, since you don't want to be fucked, what would you like to do?" The only proper response is not for the victim to suggest alternate activities ("Well, rapist, we could play a lively game of whist"), but to say, "I'd like you to be dead. No, no, even better, I'd like you to be buried alive. In a small coffin. Filled with scorpions. And covered in shit."

Resistance is an agenda. It's simply explained: hey, the bag of douche Republicans won't even allow Democratic ideas to be debated, so we're gonna filibuster the shit out of these assholes on most of their extreme shit and force compromise or implosion. And if you wanna have new ideas, then get rid of these crazy motherfuckers who want to wreck the country for this strange, endless utopian vision they have that they can't really explain to the rest of us.

Democrats in the Senate need to filibuster, constantly, because they can. Because, like David only havin' a little fuckin' rock in a leather sack against big-ass Goliath, they have God on their side in the form of poll numbers that say the direction of the country is wrong. You may say, "But, oh, dear, if Democrats simply stand in the way of things being done, they will be portrayed as obstructionists." And the Rude Pundit would get all Zen and shit and say, "Is a dam obstructionist to a river that would wash away a town?" Then he'd smile as you try to figure that out as he comes on to your boyfriend or girlfriend.

Resistance leaders are revered as heroes in other nations, especially when they take on a monolithic, seemingly undefeatable opponent. Their rewards are power with which they can then either imitate the foul leaders just ousted or forge a new bond with the average citizen.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2005/11/rud...istance-is.html