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Morfos
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Republicans in general hate anybody who is a:

Liberal
Witch
Pagan
Homosexual
Muslim
Anti-War
Environmentalist
Feminist

-Notice how none of the above have minority status? The conservatives used to pick on the blacks and Jews. Now because they have minority status, they spend most of their time preaching hatred towards the above. Conservatives blacklisted liberals as traitors against the state. Conservatives convinced the nation that witches worship satan. Conservatives claim that paganism is full of satan worshiping and are also evil people in general. Conservatives have taught us that homosexuals are a scourge and deserve to get linched. Conservatives preach hate at environmentalists and feminists. Conservatives yell, scream, and even assualt those who question their beliefs! Conservatives have always been like this and they will keep targeting every minority they can. They are a political movement fueled by hatred of those who are eccentric. Without hatred; liberals would control the nation.


-And the list goes on. Republicans hate everybody who are eccentric. They want everybody to be the same. They have waged war against diversity decades ago. The want to pass more laws to make it illegal for unmarried people to live together. They are self-righteous moralists. Moralists in general are hatemongers. What they call morality is simply hatred. They hate all of what I listed above and more in the name of morality. They yell and scream at those who do not hate the above. They claim to be the only people with a moral concience. They claim to speak for everybody in general except for the social outcasts. They have no experience with people who are different, nor do they ever question popular opinion.

-I believe that the vast majority of Republicans are horrible people and I don't want anything to do with them! My experiences both in real life and on the Internet tell me this is true. The majority of conservative I have been with are mean spirited hateful people who enjoy picking on those who are different. There are a few moderate Republicans out there; but they are fading away. There aren't very many nice people who are Republican.

-The Republican Party has been taken over by hatemongering extremists. These extremists are no longer considered extreme, but instead mainstreme. Its those of us who criticize their hatred towards gays and witches, who are considered the extremists. They extreme right became half the voters of the United States after 9/11. They are the biggest threat to our freedom due to how numerous they are. People who don't vote probably wouldn't hate anybody I listed above; but they aren't going to stand up against the hatred spewed by the right. The right has a dominant viewpoint and they never shut up! ALL THEY EVER TALK ABOUT IS THEIR HATRED TOWARDS THOSE WHO ARE DIFFERENT!
Rakshasa
It's so true... I can't help but wonder why it's brought up more.

I haven't seen the hate towards pagans and witches, but that might be more of a localized thing than anything else.

I'd extend the list this far, as well.

-Europeans (in particular, the French)
-Californians
-People from Massachusetts
-Canadians
-Latino Immigrants
-College students
-Professors
-Judges
-Libertarians
-Union members

They play on hatred to give the people an air of superiority. It's quite the psychological boost, feeling superior to all of these people. It's just subliminal ego-stroking. It's easier to whip the masses in a fervor if you demonize all of your opponents.
Morfos
THANKS FOR REPLYING! =)

I'll extend it some more as well.

-Goths
-Nerds
-Intellectuals
-Hippies
-Free Thinkers
-Vegetarians
-Tolerant People
-ACLU supporters
-Potheads
-Civil Libertarians
-The French
-Union Activists
-Most Canadians
-Socialists
-Most Democrats
-Atheists (This only applies to some)

Although I do disagree about a couple on your list. They don't hate Californians and Judges. They hate the liberals in California and the ones who are judges. But they don't hate all judges or Californians. Also, they do not hate college students who are not liberal. Same goes for Professors. The same would also apply to Massachussettsians and Canadians; they only hate the liberals from there. Actually, the same would apply to Labour Unions as well. Your list is good for identify what they view as being occupations, organization and places full of the people they don't like. Althought they don't hate everybody on your list like the do on mine. But still, thanks for agreeing with me; and your list is true in many cases. In fact, I'll even add some of yours with some modifications. wink.gif

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Note:

-Republicans are the political versions of school bullies. They target who ever is an easy target. School bullies grow up to become Republicans as adults. They justify their hatred with morality and family values. They teach the populace to hate all those who are eccentric. Eccentric people are weak targets and Republicans pick on them like a bully would do to a short pizza face. Conservatism is a philosophy that believes that eccentricity is bad and that people should conform and be like everybody else.

-If we were to give homosexuals special protection and convince the majority that they should not be discriminated against; they would find another target. They would use another minority to rally people to the polls. Next time they may target goths, pagans, or even hippies. Republicans are preadators looking for "weirdos" to victimize with their blind hatred. They are nothing but bullies unified into a political party!
Libertas
I've met some nice Republicans, but then I live in California, so they're much more the "Diet" or "low cal" variety as compared to other states, I imagine. Even though Arnold the Governator is a douchebag in his own way, he is not monstrously socially conservative, which is a plus. Yeah, Cali is nice...
shoeless
You forgot one very important group which is widely despised and vilified by Republicans:

Teachers!

I assume the hatred by Republicans for teachers is fueled by the fact that education threatens to diminish their political base.
Morfos
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I assume the hatred by Republicans for teachers is fueled by the fact that education threatens to diminish their political base.


Correct, but they don't hate conservative and evangelical teachers. As for California being nice; just look here in Oceanside. The Republicans here are usually of the extremist variety and they view all those who dissaprove of Bush as being America haters.
Morfos
CONSERVATIVE QUOTES:

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And these people have the nerve to wonder why we despise them.


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This is the extent of how far those sub-human liberals will go to crack a joke at Bush. It sickens me.


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We all know who the liberals are rooting for in this war. I'll give you a hint, he's one of 52 children and is hiding somewhere.


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I vote for liberal genocide.


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Death to Slashdot, Death to Canada, Death to Liberals


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Bush is the man, you sorry treasonous liberal pieces of s*** need to move to Canada. Finally we have a President that is more interested in our security than chasing skirts.

VIVA LA BUSH, the guardian of FREEDOM!

DEATH TO LIBERALS!


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Re: Marines In Iraq Salute Michael Moore (Score: 1)
by Proud_American (proud_american@death-to-liberals.us) on Thursday, July 15 @ 11:28:36 CDT
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Finally 2 brave Americans stand up to the treachery that M-un-M is spitting with his liberal foaming mouth. These brave soldiers are risking there lives because of Moores' movie, and they are serving the greatest Commander in Chaef that we ever had. Long Live the USMC! Long Live America! We will win this war! We will prevale!


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We should let Saddam bomb Berkeley, California to eliminate many of the liberals and then shut the others up.


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i think all the protestors should be allowed to get together and whine and cry about war. then, i think we should drop a bomb on them. that'd be my solution


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oh c'mon, we all know that wouldn't shut them up. only joseph mccarthy knew how to really shut the liberals up and history doesn't exactly smile upon his legacy. no, the best thing to do is ignore them or, if you actually live in berkeley, move... to a military instalation. but hating them is sound, keep the hate alive!


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Like that Peace Protestors test huh Dragon ?

Liberals are a species that is the lowest form of humanity......I'd almost choose a Frenchman over a Liberal....


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iberal Americans are the most unpatriotic human beings on the face of the planet. They're society's garbage. They want nothing more than to steal the hard earned wages of America's workers to support massive government social programs. If it were up to liberals, we would have universal healthcare, a God-less society where innocent babies are murdered, unrestricted welfare programs, and no guns for law-abiding citizens. That makes a bunch of sense, doesn't it? Let's see, nationalize 1/7 of the US economy (health care), allow women to use abortion as a means of birth control, encourage laziness, and create a society where God fearing people can't defend themselves from criminals. God, I hate liberals!!!!


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Liberals are a bunch of f**s, but being wrong doesn't make you society's garbage. There's nothing wrong with being retarded. Some people just can't help it.


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I dislike GW, but I hate LIBERALS. And agree with a previous poster: +2 for pissing off liberals.

I think everyone should read the constitution once in awhile and try to follow it... Both republicans & democrats (conservative or "liberal" AKA: Socialists)


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any of you f***ing hippies that have a problem with this country and the way it's being run, can get your liberal asses out of it. Bush kicks ass, Saddam sucks weiner. Any questions?


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Hippies are a disease. KILL FOR PEACE! WAR FOREVER!


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LETS FIGHT BACK, IF HIPPYS PROTEST AND b**** LETS CUT DOWN TREES, ESPECIALLY REDWOODS, DUMP YOUR USED MOTOR OIL IN THE WATERSHED, BURN FORESTS, PUT A HEMI WITH A SIX PACK IN A VW BUS,f*** HIPPYS THEY START WAR AND THEN b**** ABOUT KILLIN PEPPER SPRAY THEM AS THEY CHAIN THEIR SORRY ASSES TO TREES CHAINSAWS RULE!!!!


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I HATE LIBERALS!!!!! I HATE KERRY!!!!!! f*** THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!
THE FRENCH CAN KICK MY ASSS!!!!

GO BUSH!!!
GO TROOPS IN IRAQ!!!!
GO U.S.A


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THE FRENCH CAN f***ING SUCK MY LEFT NUT TIL IT f***ING FALLS OFF!!!!!!!!!!! ALL U LIBERAL MOTHER f***ERS CAN KISS MY HAIRY, WHITE, SMELLY, CRUSTY ASS!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYONE WHO HATES BUSH AND THE TROOPS IN IRAQ CAN GO f*** YOUR f***ING w****S OF MOTHERS UP THE PUSSY SO SHE CAN GET PREGNANT WITH YOUR SONS AND HAVE f***ING FLIPPER KIDS!!!!!
BUSH RULES!!!!!!!!
go AMERICAN troops!!!!!!!
KERRY CAN GO f*** A DONKEY AND THEN LICK HIS OWN FAT ASS!!!!!!!


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Well any of you c***sucking liberal america hating pieces of fat chick fecies can die. I mean if you hate having your own way and being able to do what u want so much get the gell out. i mean seriously why dont u leave if you think its so bad here in america. And all you liberals you can kiss my tree choppin ass and that goes for anyone who is against bush.
Hippies we are going to run out sometime wheather we all eat granola so who cares you can stick the granola up your ass if that makes you feel good. Why dont you guys just learn to cope who cares if a little exhaust comes out of a car as long as ur getting where u need to go. instead of buying one of these pieces of junk electronic cars that cant top 25.


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f*** the hippies, f*** the liberals, f*** the french, and f*** anti-americans. Rednecks are f***ing awsome and any one who says other wise is a stuck up pice of s*** who is probaly a flaming homo that has like 50std. Bush is a f***ing hard ass to, he is like the best f***ing president this country has ever had. And you HIPPIES f***ing suck big tree balls. you b**** and grip about everyf***ing thing you can and your a bunch of hipicerts. You protested in veitnam and your protesting are troops know and your so f***ing ungreatful of what are troops are doing over there. they are risking there lives to free a country so they can have freedom like us and all you can do is b**** about it and say oh peace out and go get high. I swear if it was up to me i would put all hippies, illegal immagrents, and any body who hates america into a f***ing boat and ship them to f***ing asia or some place like that. Oh yeah GOD is number one and jesus is coming back one day and when he does all of you known belivers are going to bow befor him and then burn in hell. so if i where i would go to church and listen instead of protesting for once. The french people just freak me out thats way i dont like them. GO USA. GO BUSH. GO GOD.


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SWEET JESUS I HATE LIBERALS!!!!!! TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT LIBERALS STAND FOR, KILL BABIES, KEEP SERIAL KILLERS ALIVE AND PROTECTED, LET PEOPLE LIKE SADAM HUSSAIN KEEP KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE..AND ABOUT THE IRAQ WARS AND ANY OTHER WAR. WARS IN THIS COUNTRY AND MEN AND WOMEN DYING IS WHAT GAVE YOU THE FREEDOM TO BE THE UNGRATEFUL BIG MOUTHS THAT YOU ARE.. LET TERRI SHIAVO STARVE TO DEATH AND KILL BABIES 8 MONTHS INTO A PREGNANCY..YOUR ETHICS ARE WONDERFUL..AMERICA LOVE IT OR GET OUT YOU DON'T ADD ANYTHING TO SOCIETY ANYWAY.. HANNITY IS ALWAYS RIGHT ON THE MONEY, LIBERALS DON'T LIKE REPUBLICANS OR CONSERVATIVES BECAUSE YOU AND HOLLYWOOD CAN'T STAND ANY RESTRICTIONS ON HOW YOU CAN LIVE YOUR LIFE..GOD BLESS AMERICA AND FOX NEWS..............


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I hate liberals. We should just kill them all!
-Proud member of the Confederate Party of the USA
shoeless
QUOTE (Morfos @ Wednesday, 11 May 2005, 1:29 pm)

Correct, but they don't hate conservative and evangelical teachers.

True. They only hate real teachers.

My god, where did you get all of those horrible quotes?
tamara
add quakers-

nothing like a person who attempts to live their life in the true spirit of christ-

really pisses off capitalists.

the words in red just don't fit the bill.

-t-
jcgadfly
QUOTE (tamara @ Wednesday, 11 May 2005, 12:16 pm)
add quakers-

nothing like a person who attempts to live their life in the true spirit of christ-

really pisses off capitalists.

the words in red just don't fit the bill.

-t-

And I still don't know why that is.

Is it just a few idiots that get airtime or is it a disease that is pervading the majority of Christendom?
Morfos
CONSERVATIVE HATE CRIME AGAINST HOMOSEXUAL:

http://www.geocities.com/corkymcg/crime/proj005.html

CONSERVATIVES TREATING WICCANS AS CRIMINALS:
http://www.witchvox.com/protection/chuck3.html

-How dare they claim to be the moral side. I hate conservatives.
Grimaldi
I think you'll find people on both ends of the political spectrum making horrible statements, not just conservatives/Republicans. Not that it justifies the remarks of one group, mind you, but people of all persuasions will say/believe stupid and hateful things at times.

I'd also be careful painting an entire group of people with too broad a brush. It's certainly easy demonize an entire group of people because you disagree with your beliefs, but as a conservative Republican myself, I don't think you'd come to the conclusion that you hate me if you met me. You might not agree with my views, but hatred is a pretty powerful feeling...

As for some of your categories (brief view explanations to avoid writing an essay):

-Europeans (in particular, the French)
Conservatives are frustrated with "Old" Europe because it has a great deal of power politically (UN Security Council especially), but refuses to act on world issues in a meaningful way, either with controversial issues (Iraq), or issues that have international support (Sudan, Iran/N.Korea).

-Californians
-People from Massachusetts

These states certainly are more liberal than the nation as a whole, and so are usually on the forefront of progressive/liberal policy...this tends to attract the attention of conservatives. I don't think most people (of either party) would automatically change their behavior around someone just on discovering where they're from.

-Canadians
Similar to the above...it's touchy because many point to Europe and Canada to show how a more progressive government would look: liberals focus on social programs, and conservatives on the economic cost.

-Latino Immigrants

I think the split here in the Republican party is becoming more obvious, as Bush has no problem with illegal immigrants. I'm always surprised liberals aren't more hostile to illegal immigrants; despite what people say, Americans WOULD be willing to do certain types of jobs if the pay were sufficient. As it is, with cheap illegal immigrant labor, there's no need, and everyone loses.

-College students

As many conservative go to college, I think this is a bit silly. However, there is a perception that college students are farther to the left than the public at large. It's probably true, for a variety of reasons, but people gradually drift right as they get older.

-Professors

Obviously one of the hot-button topics now. The major concern would be the creation of a permanent liberal educational system. Even the most well-meaning individual will let personal bias slip from time to time, and there are plenty of examples of professors who don't bother with pretending to be fair and instead argue that liberal views are superior to conservative ones, so why bother showing both sides, at least from objective perspectives. With professors being hired/tenured often by their peers, the fear of an unbalanced and impenetrable education system that brainwashes students to certain beliefs is very real.

-Judges

Another hot topic. Similar to professors in many ways, the concern is obviously the creation of law through judicial interpretation instead of the legislative process. The Supreme Court's recent decision banning the death penalty for people under 18 is a great example. Whether or not you agree with it, it's not something written into the constitution that should be subject to interpretation from the bench.

-Libertarians
-Potheads
-ACLU supporters

Visit some conservative sites, and you'll see that the there's a definite split on exactly where government intervention and personal liberty begin and end. National Review, a decidedly right-wing publication, is all for the decriminalization of marijuana. I'm still rather torn on the issue myself. As for the ACLU, it seems that, of all the infringements of civil liberties, the ACLU focuses on only certain types....usually perceived wrongs at the hands of people with a religious agenda of some sort or another. When a supposedly unbiased organization seems to only target one group, even when targets present themselves from other parties, it tends to generate some frustration.

-Union members
I think the dislike is aimed more at unions as organizations, not the cop on the street. Certainly not fans of the unions as organizations, for various reasons.

-Goths
-Nerds
-Intellectuals

I think these groups are more targets of high school and college jerks, not a particular political party.

-Hippies

Eh...they're certainly ideological opposites of conservatives, so there's not much in common between the two groups.

-Tolerant People
-Free Thinkers

Come now....this is (hopefully) just a comment out of frustration?

-Vegetarians

Obviously not pleased that vegetarians try to impose their values on the rest of America (hmm...that sounds familiar). Certainly don't have a problem with people who choose to be vegetarians for whatever reason.

-Socialists
-Most Democrats

Not to raise a firestorm, but is their really much difference between the two above categories? Obviously as political rivals, people from both groups won't have much in common, and people from each group will say hateful things, but as for the regular people in each party, I don't think hatred of the other is automatic.



Catherine
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The conservatives used to pick on the blacks and Jews.


Within the groups of people you all have wonderfully listed, you will probably find BLACKS and JEWS. Now, the hate mongers get to spew their venom at more targets but still hit those who were in the original bull's eye!

I am a former TEACHER, and I certainly know how the ignorant and misinformed tried to interfere with classroom activities. (One person wouldn't let his child stay in the classroom where the teacher was reading Harry Potter aloud. )

I'll have to tell you a story about one of the most ignorant parents I've ever encountered and how his ignorance interfered with the education of his child.

Someday..when I've got more time!

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Catherine
Rakshasa
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-Europeans (in particular, the French)
Conservatives are frustrated with "Old" Europe because it has a great deal of power politically (UN Security Council especially), but refuses to act on world issues in a meaningful way, either with controversial issues (Iraq), or issues that have international support (Sudan, Iran/N.Korea).

If they acted on Iraq, it wouldn't be a controversial issue. They saw no reason to commit their manpower to Iraq, and so sat out. And France is talking big to Iran.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...iran_nuclear_13

And they are involved militarily... it just slips under the mainstream media's radar.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/0...reut/index.html
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml...ss/uk/worldNews
http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/polit...mil_4_2005.html

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These states certainly are more liberal than the nation as a whole, and so are usually on the forefront of progressive/liberal policy...this tends to attract the attention of conservatives.  I don't think most people (of either party) would automatically change their behavior around someone just on discovering where they're from.
If you followed the election or even just surf conservative message boards, you still find this as a fact. The Bush campaign tried to use the fact that Kerry represented Massachusetts against him, remember.

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Similar to the above...it's touchy because many point to Europe and Canada to show how a more progressive government would look: liberals focus on social programs, and conservatives on the economic cost.
WRONG. Conservatives focus on populist tax cuts and defense spending. Both sides focus on economic cost; more specifically, how to make the money they spend work in their favor. If conservatives focused on economic cost, why are we in this huge debt? And why isn't anything being done about it? And if Republicans aren't fiscally conservative, then why aren't true fiscal conservatives speaking up about it?

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I think the split here in the Republican party is becoming more obvious, as Bush has no problem with illegal immigrants.  I'm always surprised liberals aren't more hostile to illegal immigrants; despite what people say, Americans WOULD be willing to do certain types of jobs if the pay were sufficient.  As it is, with cheap illegal immigrant labor, there's no need, and everyone loses.

Of course powerful conservatives aren't upset about it (publically at least,) but I see the amount of red faces and raised voices Latino immigration causes myself. For the most part it's in a very negative concept, and coming from "middle America" conservatives. The usual things, like expecting them to learn English and be totally assimilated overnight.

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Obviously one of the hot-button topics now.  The major concern would be the creation of a permanent liberal educational system.  Even the most well-meaning individual will let personal bias slip from time to time, and there are plenty of examples of professors who don't bother with pretending to be fair and instead argue that liberal views are superior to conservative ones, so why bother showing both sides, at least from objective perspectives.  With professors being hired/tenured often by their peers, the fear of an unbalanced and impenetrable education system that brainwashes students to certain beliefs is very real.

And there are plenty of professors that are noticeably conservative. I mean, Paul Wolfowitz was a professor before while he was out of office. It's not as big of an issue as it's made out to be.

Yes, you are going to find very liberal professors. Likewise, you are going to find very conservative professors. It's a non-issue, generated to cause mistrust and to try to pack the universities with conservative voices.

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Another hot topic.  Similar to professors in many ways, the concern is obviously the creation of law through judicial interpretation instead of the legislative process.  The Supreme Court's recent decision banning the death penalty for people under 18 is a great example.  Whether or not you agree with it, it's not something written into the constitution that should be subject to interpretation from the bench.

That's what gets me. Judges are being screamed at and demonized for doing their job. I mean, it says that their job is to base decisions on their interpretation of the Constitution. There are certain traditions, such as precedent, they also use, of course, but the long and short of it is basing it on how they would view the law with regard to the constitution. And yet if they don't view it a certain way, then they should be fired?

The system of checks and balances works fine. Being able to "fire" judges is unconstitutional, and I wish that the right would get it through their heads.

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Visit some conservative sites, and you'll see that the there's a definite split on exactly where government intervention and personal liberty begin and end.  National Review, a decidedly right-wing publication, is all for the decriminalization of marijuana.  I'm still rather torn on the issue myself.  As for the ACLU, it seems that, of all the infringements of civil liberties, the ACLU focuses on only certain types....usually perceived wrongs at the hands of people with a religious agenda of some sort or another.  When a supposedly unbiased organization seems to only target one group, even when targets present themselves from other parties, it tends to generate some frustration.

Those are their high-profile cases. Religious issues are a hot topic in this country, and they'll get publicity. It's just how our culture works.

http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/1795
http://www.sbsun.com/Stories/0,1413,208~12...2864930,00.html
http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?i...olence-rise.inc
http://www.kobtv.com/index.cfm?viewer=stor...62&cat=ABQMETRO

These are examples of the ACLU tacking cases that don't have any religious background.

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I think the dislike is aimed more at unions as organizations, not the cop on the street.  Certainly not fans of the unions as organizations, for various reasons.


I was talking more along the lines of the IBEW, AFL-CIO and the like. Police and fire unions are different. Everyone supports them.

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Obviously not pleased that vegetarians try to impose their values on the rest of America (hmm...that sounds familiar).  Certainly don't have a problem with people who choose to be vegetarians for whatever reason.


If by "imposing the values" you mean PETA, then I would have to agree with you. The only effective thing PETA has done is media management and garnering attention. Honestly, I think that they hurt vegetarians that aren't a part of them, and follow the guideline by themselves.

And there are groups on both sides of the table seeking to impose their values on America. The difference is which slant they take.

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Not to raise a firestorm, but is their really much difference between the two above categories?

YES. And if you can't see it, then research it for yourself.
shoeless
QUOTE (Rakshasa @ Thursday, 12 May 2005, 10:31 pm)
If conservatives focused on economic cost, why are we in this huge debt? And why isn't anything being done about it? And if Republicans aren't fiscally conservative, then why aren't true fiscal conservatives speaking up about it?

Fiscal conservatives, who used to form the main base of the Republican party have been marginalized within their own party. The Republican leadership are obviously not fiscal conservatives. Power in the GOP has been upsurped by an unholy alliance of imperialistic neo-cons, fundamentalist Christians, and corporate plutocrats. These people are hostile to several core issues of true conservatives, such as illegal immigration, privacy, imperialistic foriegn wars, and fiscal responsibility.

It became obvious that fiscal conservatives were out of favor within the Republican party during the Reagan administration, when federal spending soared by 10% per year over an 8 year span, more than doubling the size of the federal government during his terms! George W. Bush has increased spending by about 7% per year, double the growth in spending during the Clinton administration.

The idea that the Republican party still represents fiscal conservativism is an absurd myth, which is perpetuated by the cynical leaders of the party with invaluable help from the subserviant press.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (Grimaldi @ Thursday, 12 May 2005, 1:17 pm)
I think you'll find people on both ends of the political spectrum making horrible statements, not just conservatives/Republicans. Not that it justifies the remarks of one group, mind you, but people of all persuasions will say/believe stupid and hateful things at times.

I'd also be careful painting an entire group of people with too broad a brush. It's certainly easy demonize an entire group of people because you disagree with your beliefs, but as a conservative Republican myself, I don't think you'd come to the conclusion that you hate me if you met me. You might not agree with my views, but hatred is a pretty powerful feeling...

As for some of your categories (brief view explanations to avoid writing an essay):

-Europeans (in particular, the French)
Conservatives are frustrated with "Old" Europe because it has a great deal of power politically (UN Security Council especially), but refuses to act on world issues in a meaningful way, either with controversial issues (Iraq), or issues that have international support (Sudan, Iran/N.Korea).

-Californians
-People from Massachusetts

These states certainly are more liberal than the nation as a whole, and so are usually on the forefront of progressive/liberal policy...this tends to attract the attention of conservatives. I don't think most people (of either party) would automatically change their behavior around someone just on discovering where they're from.

-Canadians
Similar to the above...it's touchy because many point to Europe and Canada to show how a more progressive government would look: liberals focus on social programs, and conservatives on the economic cost.

-Latino Immigrants

I think the split here in the Republican party is becoming more obvious, as Bush has no problem with illegal immigrants. I'm always surprised liberals aren't more hostile to illegal immigrants; despite what people say, Americans WOULD be willing to do certain types of jobs if the pay were sufficient. As it is, with cheap illegal immigrant labor, there's no need, and everyone loses.

-College students

As many conservative go to college, I think this is a bit silly. However, there is a perception that college students are farther to the left than the public at large. It's probably true, for a variety of reasons, but people gradually drift right as they get older.

-Professors

Obviously one of the hot-button topics now. The major concern would be the creation of a permanent liberal educational system. Even the most well-meaning individual will let personal bias slip from time to time, and there are plenty of examples of professors who don't bother with pretending to be fair and instead argue that liberal views are superior to conservative ones, so why bother showing both sides, at least from objective perspectives. With professors being hired/tenured often by their peers, the fear of an unbalanced and impenetrable education system that brainwashes students to certain beliefs is very real.

-Judges

Another hot topic. Similar to professors in many ways, the concern is obviously the creation of law through judicial interpretation instead of the legislative process. The Supreme Court's recent decision banning the death penalty for people under 18 is a great example. Whether or not you agree with it, it's not something written into the constitution that should be subject to interpretation from the bench.

-Libertarians
-Potheads
-ACLU supporters

Visit some conservative sites, and you'll see that the there's a definite split on exactly where government intervention and personal liberty begin and end. National Review, a decidedly right-wing publication, is all for the decriminalization of marijuana. I'm still rather torn on the issue myself. As for the ACLU, it seems that, of all the infringements of civil liberties, the ACLU focuses on only certain types....usually perceived wrongs at the hands of people with a religious agenda of some sort or another. When a supposedly unbiased organization seems to only target one group, even when targets present themselves from other parties, it tends to generate some frustration.

-Union members
I think the dislike is aimed more at unions as organizations, not the cop on the street. Certainly not fans of the unions as organizations, for various reasons.

-Goths
-Nerds
-Intellectuals

I think these groups are more targets of high school and college jerks, not a particular political party.

-Hippies

Eh...they're certainly ideological opposites of conservatives, so there's not much in common between the two groups.

-Tolerant People
-Free Thinkers

Come now....this is (hopefully) just a comment out of frustration?

-Vegetarians

Obviously not pleased that vegetarians try to impose their values on the rest of America (hmm...that sounds familiar). Certainly don't have a problem with people who choose to be vegetarians for whatever reason.

-Socialists
-Most Democrats

Not to raise a firestorm, but is their really much difference between the two above categories? Obviously as political rivals, people from both groups won't have much in common, and people from each group will say hateful things, but as for the regular people in each party, I don't think hatred of the other is automatic.

<sniff>...damn what the hell is that awful stench...oh a Right Winger we paint with a broad brush because most of it is true, if you can stay a right winger after seeing what the moron and chief has done to this country...you deserve to be painted by this brush until you start to work to get this clown out of office...

Doc
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Fiscal conservatives, who used to form the main base of the Republican party have been marginalized within their own party. The Republican leadership are obviously not fiscal conservatives. Power in the GOP has been upsurped by an unholy alliance of imperialistic neo-cons, fundamentalist Christians, and corporate plutocrats. These people are hostile to several core issues of true conservatives, such as illegal immigration, privacy, imperialistic foriegn wars, and fiscal responsibility.


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Gadzooks!
I think you'll find that Noam Chomsky is correct in his assertions regarding linguistics, and the way language shapes thought. The people you, I, we are talking about are NOT, I repeat NOT conservative, any more than were Hitler's brownshirts. These people are radical capitalists and theocrats (when convenient). If I call a grizzly bear a fucking Teddy bear and the s.o.b. eats me, it's my own damned fault for seeing something I am comfortable with instead of REALITY. So knowing some "nice conservative Republicans" is like knowing some of the "good" Nazis. You know, the ones who just murdered Jews, Hungarians, Poles , Romanians, Gypsys, homosexuals, French people, Russians and the mentally ill a little bit. The bad ones did it a lot.
Morfos
A lot of these hatemongers are males under 30 who are testosterone zombies.
Morfos
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Rakshasa
QUOTE (Morfos @ Sunday, 15 May 2005, 12:35 pm)
A lot of these hatemongers are males under 30 who are testosterone zombies.

Once again, it's a geographic difference. Here it's mostly 40+ born agains. I can't remind you enough, a broad brush is a dangerous thing to use.
Morfos
I said a lot of them were males under 30, not all of them.

BUMP
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tamara
(on my daughter's computer, accidentally posted above- she was already logged in sorry- -t-)


like you, morph- i've noticed lots of dittoheads who are 30-ish white males....

a broad brush paints a broad picture, huh? sometimes, detail just doesn't fit...

impressionism of bigotry is just... bigotry

realism of bigotry is just... bigotry

the brush doesn't make much difference if you are one who happens to suffer at the hands of bigotry- you start living defensively-

so is the artist to blame? or the subject?

PASS

-t-



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