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Better still, wear blue from head to toe. And encourage everyone you know to do the same.
'Bina.
'Bina.
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| Let's all support Bush on Black Friday and show the world the economy is reviving. Wear red in support of our moral President and the wonderful job he is doing to bring the United States back together with a booming economy. Please pass this on to all your friends and family -- let's show the world that all of our prayers are with President Bush. When all the shoppers are shown on the news, you will see how many actually support our President and that any recounts are silly.” |
Yep, just like the buscho policy... pretend we are not in an economic poo pit... spend your unemployment checks, forget about healthcare... never mind the dollar is tanking and the price of products is increasing...
Never mind about fair elections... quick look the other way... spend you money so that you too can be in the poor house!
I will definately NOT be in Red on Friday... and Fatwallet should have had black T-shirts printed up for all their memebers... that say:
Fatwallet.com
Save a cent and and get some Sense!
Because these people want your wallet too!
Hell, those people are the ONLY ones to benefit from this so-called "booming economy" (where? where? I can't see any!) right now... 
'Bina.
'Bina.
| QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Saturday, 20 November 2004, 10:22 am) |
| Hell, those people are the ONLY ones to benefit from this so-called "booming economy" (where? where? I can't see any!) right now... 'Bina. |
Perhaps that is because you are in Canada?
| QUOTE (Old Friend @ Tuesday, 23 November 2004, 1:18 pm) | ||
Perhaps that is because you are in Canada? |
So where do you see a booming economy, unemployment is at the highest that is has been in over 10 years. Shrub hides the unemployed so that the unempolyment numbers look smaller than they are, booming, no the only thing is booming is our deficeit..
Doc
Where is the "booming economy"?
I will say that my husband got a raise earlier this year, haven't seen any of it, as it has gone into the gas tank and the propane tank.
I got a new job, i love it very much (working in a day care center) but i get paid $6.50 an hour (it's very close to my house, so i don't spend much on gas and that helps). And it's enough that i can splurge on a video game or books for my kids.
I've always been low income, so i don't complain much, my needs are taken care of (although i don't have health insurance and my kids get it through the state). I just thought that when my kids were small, things would keep going strong so that we could reach a point where we could save something to send them to college. Now i plan on working two jobs and not ever retiring.
I'm not complaining, really. I'm from Missouri, so i guess you have to show me the "booming economy" before i'll believe it.And what looks good on paper does not always tranfer to real life.
ANyway, how can we have a booming economy when bush has put us in so much debt? (this bothers me to no end, i do not use credit cards and try to teach my kids that (except for a mortgage) you should spend only what you have.
I will say that my husband got a raise earlier this year, haven't seen any of it, as it has gone into the gas tank and the propane tank.
I got a new job, i love it very much (working in a day care center) but i get paid $6.50 an hour (it's very close to my house, so i don't spend much on gas and that helps). And it's enough that i can splurge on a video game or books for my kids.
I've always been low income, so i don't complain much, my needs are taken care of (although i don't have health insurance and my kids get it through the state). I just thought that when my kids were small, things would keep going strong so that we could reach a point where we could save something to send them to college. Now i plan on working two jobs and not ever retiring.
I'm not complaining, really. I'm from Missouri, so i guess you have to show me the "booming economy" before i'll believe it.And what looks good on paper does not always tranfer to real life.
ANyway, how can we have a booming economy when bush has put us in so much debt? (this bothers me to no end, i do not use credit cards and try to teach my kids that (except for a mortgage) you should spend only what you have.
| QUOTE (logosoco @ Tuesday, 23 November 2004, 2:50 pm) |
| Where is the "booming economy"? I will say that my husband got a raise earlier this year, haven't seen any of it, as it has gone into the gas tank and the propane tank. I got a new job, i love it very much (working in a day care center) but i get paid $6.50 an hour (it's very close to my house, so i don't spend much on gas and that helps). And it's enough that i can splurge on a video game or books for my kids. I've always been low income, so i don't complain much, my needs are taken care of (although i don't have health insurance and my kids get it through the state). I just thought that when my kids were small, things would keep going strong so that we could reach a point where we could save something to send them to college. Now i plan on working two jobs and not ever retiring. I'm not complaining, really. I'm from Missouri, so i guess you have to show me the "booming economy" before i'll believe it.And what looks good on paper does not always tranfer to real life. ANyway, how can we have a booming economy when bush has put us in so much debt? (this bothers me to no end, i do not use credit cards and try to teach my kids that (except for a mortgage) you should spend only what you have. |
Logo.. I sure like you! You have a very good way of putting things.. and are rational, intelligent... blah blah blah...
I passed econ with a C... but can't say I really learned or retained all that much... thus... I live by what you are teaching your kids. Cash... cash.. cash.. limited loans, car or house fine...Student loans as well...
Cut up the credit cards... I just about die when I hear people have thousands and thousands on their credit cards! I'd have an anxiety attack... if my debt was that high! But then again, I grew up with depression age parents... who always paid in cash....
And doc's right about the unemployment. 11 months now for me. I have had great interviews, after great interviews... but I am competing with masters, Ph.D's... Then you get into a salary discussion.. and they want to offer you 20K less than where you were. Now, I would GLADLY take the pay cut... just to have benefits, steady income... but it's not offered... cause they don't think you would accept it... or you would just accept it as a temporary position.
It's all sooo frustrating. Prior to unemployment my company hadn't given merit increases for 3 years do to the sucky economy! It's just worse and worse and worse.
And good for you on your job... I am looking at doing anything... anyone who will take me! What do you want to pay... yep...got yourself a good deal here... educated, overly qualified.. but willing to work for healthcare and a steady paycheck.
Sad really, I do have an upcoming interview... but if that goes south.. I always could get a job at Wal-mart as a cashier! Yep that's the job growth bush has been touting...... 60K a year... to 6.50 an hour! What a boom! Where did all the "middle class" jobs go? Ohh that's right.. india... pakistan... where workers rights (a liberal cause mind you) is non existent... where the company gets a tax break for sending the 30-100K a year jobs over sea's....and now has to pay 5.00 an hour to an indian or pakistanian...
Rant off for now...
Thanks, guys, for making my case. The economy isn't booming. There is no such thing as a jobless recovery. Anyone who thinks there is, has fallen for the ol' smoke and mirrors. PEOPLE NEED JOBS FOR A REAL ECONOMIC BOOM TO TAKE EFFECT. No jobs, no recovery. It's just common sense! I never studied econ at all, but you don't need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind's blowing.
'Bina.
'Bina.
DO NOT get a job at walmart!! IT's just not right. "They" want us all to become walmartians.
I remember something bush said during the debates about "21st century" jobs. Wonder if he's looking into that (yeah,right).
I think the thing that is going to get the economy going is going to be something in the alternative energy field. But it ain't going to happen while we have our government in the pocket of oil companies. This is pretty obvious to me, but what do i know?
I remember something bush said during the debates about "21st century" jobs. Wonder if he's looking into that (yeah,right).
I think the thing that is going to get the economy going is going to be something in the alternative energy field. But it ain't going to happen while we have our government in the pocket of oil companies. This is pretty obvious to me, but what do i know?
| QUOTE (logosoco @ Tuesday, 23 November 2004, 7:28 pm) |
| I remember something bush said during the debates about "21st century" jobs. Wonder if he's looking into that (yeah,right). I think the thing that is going to get the economy going is going to be something in the alternative energy field. But it ain't going to happen while we have our government in the pocket of oil companies. This is pretty obvious to me, but what do i know? |
I don't believe Bush has the foggiest clue what a 21st century job is, or what to do with it if it bites him. After all, he's never actually had to APPLY for one. People who grow up with rich Congressmen for daddies generally don't.
The thing is, most of those prats also don't grow up to run--or in this case, MISrun--an entire country. It's the few that do that you have to watch out for.
'Bina.
| QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Tuesday, 23 November 2004, 1:28 pm) | ||||
So where do you see a booming economy, unemployment is at the highest that is has been in over 10 years. Shrub hides the unemployed so that the unempolyment numbers look smaller than they are, booming, no the only thing is booming is our deficeit.. Doc |
Dr. Left,
I thought you said your side could back your stuff up with facts!? There is absolutely ZERO basis for this allegation. Unemployment measuring methods have remained unchanged for DECADES. Current unemployment rates are nearly identical to the rates that got President Clinton re-elected.
Discouraged workers have ALWAYS been here and have not been counted - no not even under President Clinton. Wages are higher than the best of the Clinton years - even after adjusting for inflation.
Yes, there are problems. Creating non-existent ones does not help anyone, and distracts from those that are real.
| QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Tuesday, 23 November 2004, 4:08 pm) |
| Thanks, guys, for making my case. The economy isn't booming. There is no such thing as a jobless recovery. Anyone who thinks there is, has fallen for the ol' smoke and mirrors. PEOPLE NEED JOBS FOR A REAL ECONOMIC BOOM TO TAKE EFFECT. No jobs, no recovery. It's just common sense! I never studied econ at all, but you don't need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind's blowing. 'Bina. |
Since the most recent tax cuts, there have been @2 million jobs created. That is a pretty good clip of job creation for any President.
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| Since the most recent tax cuts, there have been @2 million jobs created. |
In what fields?!?! what is the pay rate? What was the pay rate for those that lost their jobs?
I am still unemployed... and no longer count in the national statistic... If I work at wally world... I will be counted in the employment rise!
The GWB JOBS LOST record is the worst since 1939. This Administration is an abysmal failure, that’s the harsh REALITY.
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| Tax cuts meet target in October, cumulative impact falls far short The Bush Administration called the tax cut package, which took effect in July 2003, its "Jobs and Growth Plan." The president's economics staff, the Council of Economic Advisers (CEA, see background documents), projected that the plan would result in the creation of 5.5 million jobs by the end of 2004—in other words, 306,000 new jobs each month starting in July 2003. The CEA projected that the economy would generate 228,000 jobs a month without a tax cut and 306,000 jobs a month with the tax cut. The October job growth of 337,000 jobs exceeded this target by 31,000. However, the projection that 4,896,000 jobs would be created over the last 16 months is not close to having been realized. In reality, since the tax cuts took effect there are 2,738,000 fewer jobs than the administration projected would be created by enactment of its tax cuts. As can be seen in the chart below, job creation failed to meet the administration's projections in 13 of the past 16 months.  Weakest job recovery since the 1930s Since the recession began 43 months ago in March 2001, 490,000 jobs have disappeared from the U.S. economy, representing a 0.4% contraction. The Bureau of Labor Statistics began collecting monthly jobs data in 1939 (at the end of the Great Depression). To put this performance in historical perspective, in every previous episode of recession and job decline since 1939, the number of jobs had fully recovered to above the pre-recession peak within at least 31 months of the start of the recession (the average, excluding the 1991 recovery, has been a full recovery of jobs by the 20th month). In the three downturns since the early 1970s, the economy had not only recovered from any jobs lost during the recession but had also generated 4.6% more jobs than were lost in those downturns. If this standard had prevailed, the economy would have had a positive job gain of 6,114,000 by what is now the 43rd month of recovery, or 6,604,000 more jobs than we have today.   http://www.jobwatch.org/ |
| QUOTE ("dumber than dirt") |
| Dr. Left, I thought you said your side could back your stuff up with facts!? There is absolutely ZERO basis for this allegation. Unemployment measuring methods have remained unchanged for DECADES. Current unemployment rates are nearly identical to the rates that got President Clinton re-elected. |
Nice try dumbass, Shrub's labor department stopped counting those unemployed that have used up their unemployment Insurance, that's a fact, also let's not forget the people that underemployed, the get part time jobs with no benefits...the average pay from these so called new jobs, is on the average $9,000 a year less then the jobs that they have lost....Oh and check out CJ's info and learn.
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| Discouraged workers have ALWAYS been here and have not been counted - no not even under President Clinton. Wages are higher than the best of the Clinton years - even after adjusting for inflation. |
Proof, got any, of course not.
Old Friend is just another conservative showing off his ignorance. I wonder if he believes everything this president says? That would be like the blind leading the deaf because Bush has admitted to not reading the newspapers or watching the news on TV. Bush makes this stuff up just to keep people like Old Friend loyal. That's right, keep the blinders on, don't look out the windows and do not ask any questions and Bush will protect you. Ignorance is only shameful if you try to defend it and not correct it.
| QUOTE (Wren @ Wednesday, 24 November 2004, 11:39 am) |
| Old Friend is just another conservative showing off his ignorance. I wonder if he believes everything this president says? That would be like the blind leading the deaf because Bush has admitted to not reading the newspapers or watching the news on TV. Bush makes this stuff up just to keep people like Old Friend loyal. That's right, keep the blinders on, don't look out the windows and do not ask any questions and Bush will protect you. Ignorance is only shameful if you try to defend it and not correct it. |
You got it Wren, Old Friend is one of the mindless followers....to bad...
Doc
| QUOTE (Old Friend @ Tuesday, 23 November 2004, 4:59 pm) | ||
Since the most recent tax cuts, there have been @2 million jobs created. That is a pretty good clip of job creation for any President. |
How do you speak well of the tax cuts when we are looking at an all time high deficit?
Tax cuts are an illusion.
Did the 2 million jobs "created" offset the ones that are being lost?
FOrgive me for being so forward, but you seem to be someone who is looking at what is on a paper the government printed out. You may want to go around your neighborhood and talk to folks (or maybe go talk to the folks that are on the outskirts of your neighborhood).
Our widdle "friend" is ignoring a rather large and glaring fact here: Two million jobs created (or recycled, is more like it) doesn't make up for THREE million LOST.
Bush still has an unaddressed million-job deficit there, and I'm not holding my breath for him and his tax cuts for the un-needy to remedy it. Why should he, anyway, when he's just raised the national debt ceiling to--what is it now? Seven trillion, or is it eight?
Well, I'm sure our mathematically challenged "friend" doesn't know the difference either. Nor, I'm sure, is he aware or concerned that Bill Clinton left behind him a record SURPLUS, which Bush promptly gobbled up like it was candy, and then drove the whole country and its children and grandchildren into debt for the next century...
'Bina.
Bush still has an unaddressed million-job deficit there, and I'm not holding my breath for him and his tax cuts for the un-needy to remedy it. Why should he, anyway, when he's just raised the national debt ceiling to--what is it now? Seven trillion, or is it eight?
Well, I'm sure our mathematically challenged "friend" doesn't know the difference either. Nor, I'm sure, is he aware or concerned that Bill Clinton left behind him a record SURPLUS, which Bush promptly gobbled up like it was candy, and then drove the whole country and its children and grandchildren into debt for the next century...
'Bina.
| QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Wednesday, 24 November 2004, 4:45 pm) |
| Our widdle "friend" is ignoring a rather large and glaring fact here: Two million jobs created (or recycled, is more like it) doesn't make up for THREE million LOST. Bush still has an unaddressed million-job deficit there, and I'm not holding my breath for him and his tax cuts for the un-needy to remedy it. Why should he, anyway, when he's just raised the national debt ceiling to--what is it now? Seven trillion, or is it eight? Well, I'm sure our mathematically challenged "friend" doesn't know the difference either. Nor, I'm sure, is he aware or concerned that Bill Clinton left behind him a record SURPLUS, which Bush promptly gobbled up like it was candy, and then drove the whole country and its children and grandchildren into debt for the next century... 'Bina. |
Good catch on Old Friend I knew the little bastard was a troll....
'Doc
Today, the monday after the big friday shopping day, there are reports that sales were not as big as they hoped for; walmart has even lowered their predictions. Well, maybe they will realize what is going on: people don't have as much money as they use to. Money they once spent on gifts is now going to pay for higher gas bills. Winter is coming, i have to worry about propane, i can't be spending as much on gifts. I saw this coming, i can't believe they didn't.
I think they were assuming most people have money in the stock market . Or maybe they thought that since a "majority" of the people voted for bush , thus an approval of his deficit, that folks were going to be putting a lot on their credit cards. Kinda hard to do that in a world that looks like everything is going to collapse.
I think they were assuming most people have money in the stock market . Or maybe they thought that since a "majority" of the people voted for bush , thus an approval of his deficit, that folks were going to be putting a lot on their credit cards. Kinda hard to do that in a world that looks like everything is going to collapse.
Yeah. Kinda defeats the purpose of those "spend more!" tax cuts, doesn't it...I mean, what good is a tax cut if your wages are frozen--or cut even more than your taxes?
'Bina.
'Bina.
| QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Monday, 29 November 2004, 9:04 am) |
| Yeah. Kinda defeats the purpose of those "spend more!" tax cuts, doesn't it...I mean, what good is a tax cut if your wages are frozen--or cut even more than your taxes? 'Bina. |
Yup, but hey the corporations are happy...
'Doc
They won't be when they realize that no consumer spending = no profits!
'Bina.
'Bina.
| QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Monday, 29 November 2004, 9:48 am) |
| They won't be when they realize that no consumer spending = no profits! 'Bina. |
Yeah I wonder what Shrub will do then...
'Doc
Oh, Dubya will do what he's always done: put it on his daddy's credit card and forget about it.
After all, HE never had to learn the value of a dollar...
'Bina.
After all, HE never had to learn the value of a dollar...
'Bina.
| QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Monday, 29 November 2004, 10:08 am) |
| Oh, Dubya will do what he's always done: put it on his daddy's credit card and forget about it. After all, HE never had to learn the value of a dollar... 'Bina. |
Amen, 'Bina.
P_B
| QUOTE (BinaBecker @ Monday, 29 November 2004, 10:08 am) |
| Oh, Dubya will do what he's always done: put it on his daddy's credit card and forget about it. After all, HE never had to learn the value of a dollar... 'Bina. |
You are soooo, right Bina...
'Doc
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