I am new to this site so I felt I should "vent" as they say. Firstly I should say that I'm British, and used to be proud of this, that is until I realised that the entire war was bull ****.
The moment of revelation I remember well, it was at home, watching a show about how the Neo Cons had totaly blown terrorism out of all proportion, a channel 4 show called "The power of nightmares". Up till this point I had belived the world really was a much more dangerous place, due to this dark underworld of "terrorist networks" who had recently united forces to create "super terrorists", a (now singular) group of extremists who had "sleeper cells in 50 to 60 countries".
What a modal citizen I was, I soaked it all up and wouldn't have even dreamed that America could have allowed such an act to have happened by doing nothing, so naturaly, the thought that America actualy did something to help this happen was absured, at that time anyway.
Now however, I'm older and (thanks to the internet) a little wiser, and feel rather stupid for the comments and retoric I recited down the pub, about how "they've been recruiting from Iraq for years don't you know". This sense of stupidity isn't as strong with me as it is for others, but is still something I carry around and am not ashamed to addmit to, after all, we all at sometime had to face the fact that our governments (UK+US) are run by self serving, undeservedly self rightious, unholy, anti diplomacy, anti logical thinking bunch of "one world-our world" nutters.
The fact that there are so many Brits and Yanks still living in a state of blissful ignorance is testament to the power of the mainstream media (see descriptive words above).
Surly there is a revolution coming??
Surly information is the key to such an event?
So I say, praise be to those who are planning this information revolution and spreading the word that is rare to the ears of the masses; THE TRUTH...
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| Firstly I should say that I'm British, and used to be proud of this, that is until I realised that the entire war was bull ****. |
I'm American, used to be proud. Then we had several administrations advocating war crimes and crimes against humanity, an election stolen by a corporate elite, the blockage of institutional reform in the wake of Enron, and imperialistic wars.
Yeah, I used to be proud too.
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| The moment of revelation I remember well, it was at home, watching a show about how the Neo Cons had totaly blown terrorism out of all proportion, a channel 4 show called "The power of nightmares". |
I've heard much that is good about this documentary. I wish I could see it.
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| Up till this point I had belived the world really was a much more dangerous place, due to this dark underworld of "terrorist networks" who had recently united forces to create "super terrorists", a (now singular) group of extremists who had "sleeper cells in 50 to 60 countries". |
Poverty, ignorance, and the denial of human dignity by affluence are making the world a dangerous place. "Terrorist networks" are the nightmare the state wishes you to possess and treasure. Do not treasure it. Throw it out. Because you're only human and these "terrorists" are only human also.
Many Americans call 9/11 our own Reichstag fire.
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| Now however, I'm older and (thanks to the internet) a little wiser, and feel rather stupid for the comments and retoric I recited down the pub, about how "they've been recruiting from Iraq for years don't you know". |
You were not stupid. You were mistaken. I believe that liberals would have more believers if people would only understand that they can be mistaken, they can be taken for a ride. The ride ends when they jump off.
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| This sense of stupidity isn't as strong with me as it is for others, but is still something I carry around and am not ashamed to addmit to, after all, we all at sometime had to face the fact that our governments (UK+US) are run by self serving, undeservedly self rightious, unholy, anti diplomacy, anti logical thinking bunch of "one world-our world" nutters. |
That's well said.
[QUOTE] The fact that there are so many Brits and Yanks still living in a state of blissful ignorance is testament to the power of the mainstream media (see descriptive words above).
Surly there is a revolution coming??
Surly information is the key to such an event?
So I say, praise be to those who are planning this information revolution and spreading the word that is rare to the ears of the masses; THE TRUTH...[QUOTE]
The truth is not what you get given to you, but when you find it.
I don't listen to any television or radio media any more.
I do much reading here on the internet, from various sources. Sometimes I find the stories manipulative, and I've learned to listen for language that is so.
I've found these sites very useful.
Truthout, by William Rivers Pitt
The Smirking Chimp
Daily Kos
Media Matters, by David Brock
Dispatches from the Culture Wars
Buzzflash
I don't know about a revolution in the United States. I lean more toward a civil war here waged by those who believe it is all right to enslave and exploit the rest of the world and the majority of the people here at home for corporate profits in the name of militant Christianity and social darwinism against the helplessness of those who do not. It will be the evicted against the owners, the labor against the management, and the workers against the shareholders of this society. As poverty deepens here, the entire society will become polarized as it did in the late 19th & early 20th centuries.
These confrontations prompted National Guard mobilizations at first, and then the creation of private armies in the US before. They ended in bloodshed and the murder of the helpless by the armed time & time again.
I think that the corporate elites and that top 1% in this country have somehow convinced themselves that if people in this country rise up, they'll destroy themselves, their property, and the things that benefit them, now knowing who the enemies really are. They are sorely mistaken. I'm waiting for the day that the wealthy corporations, their shareholders and management and the families that spawned them and profit luxuriously from them will be banished to the Caribbean for the rest of their days.
Welcome, REAL! You're going to like it here. And I think we're going to like you.
May I add a few sites to the list provided by fons_castaliae?
These are some of my favorites:
www.tvnewslies.org (Great site for media bias exposure and information about how to spot news reporters' personal bias as well. )
http://www.takebackthemedia.net
http://www.rawstory.com
http://www.motherjones.com
http://www.bushwatch.com
http://www.thehappyheretic.com (This lady tells it like it is)
http://www.bettybowers.com (good site for Neoconic religious perceptions)
And for some good laughs when the stress of political debate gets to be too much: www.jillsjokeline.com
Catherine
May I add a few sites to the list provided by fons_castaliae?
These are some of my favorites:
www.tvnewslies.org (Great site for media bias exposure and information about how to spot news reporters' personal bias as well. )
http://www.takebackthemedia.net
http://www.rawstory.com
http://www.motherjones.com
http://www.bushwatch.com
http://www.thehappyheretic.com (This lady tells it like it is)
http://www.bettybowers.com (good site for Neoconic religious perceptions)
And for some good laughs when the stress of political debate gets to be too much: www.jillsjokeline.com
Catherine
First, let me say, thank you for destroying my last thread.
Anyway I was browsing the forums for news and this peaked my intrest. First, I agree with fons_castaliae about people who support this stuff are stupid. I don't think that anyone who supports bush is stupid, just very trusting. That is why Bush couldn't have stole the election, that is why bush couldn't have done anything about 9/11, that is why Bush didn't lie about Iraq. These people have a strong sense of loyalty towards their party. Same thing on the democratic side too, that is probably why I am no longer welcome at the democratic underground.
One thing that I have always thought is, contrary to many of my peers, is that there is nothing wrong with republicans or being republican or republican ideas, for the most part. There are some things that liberals have right; there are some things that conservatives have right. That is why I won't hold myself to voting for one party. With that said, though, there is absolutely nothing right when it comes to Neo-Conservatives. I can understand many republican ideas but I can't wrap my head around Neo-Con ideas. It is kind of like Nazism (Nazis are worse then Neo-Cons) in the way that there is nothing good about it and there are no ideas that can help society. If you look into what Neo-Conservatism really is, it is nothing more then a way for some people to make a lot of money and get a lot of power, by using very religious and very republican people as stepping stones.
Finally, when don't agree with the idea of there being another civil war or some major social uprising that will destroy the neo-cons. I think that the whole Neo-Con agenda with collapse on itself. Look at what we have right now. Bush is at his lowest approval of his presidency and approval for the republican congress is at its lowest in about 7 years. I think what we are going to see over the next two to four years, are people gradually waking up to what is going on. I believe by 2008, we will not see anyone as extreme as bush or the current people in the Republican Party get elected. Then again, what do the Neo-Cons care? If their whole thing collapses by 2008, they will already have made trillions of dollars by ripping off everyone. We are probably going to see the Neo-Con ideas last for a few more years until they fizzle out. Then we can start rebuilding.
Anyway I was browsing the forums for news and this peaked my intrest. First, I agree with fons_castaliae about people who support this stuff are stupid. I don't think that anyone who supports bush is stupid, just very trusting. That is why Bush couldn't have stole the election, that is why bush couldn't have done anything about 9/11, that is why Bush didn't lie about Iraq. These people have a strong sense of loyalty towards their party. Same thing on the democratic side too, that is probably why I am no longer welcome at the democratic underground.
One thing that I have always thought is, contrary to many of my peers, is that there is nothing wrong with republicans or being republican or republican ideas, for the most part. There are some things that liberals have right; there are some things that conservatives have right. That is why I won't hold myself to voting for one party. With that said, though, there is absolutely nothing right when it comes to Neo-Conservatives. I can understand many republican ideas but I can't wrap my head around Neo-Con ideas. It is kind of like Nazism (Nazis are worse then Neo-Cons) in the way that there is nothing good about it and there are no ideas that can help society. If you look into what Neo-Conservatism really is, it is nothing more then a way for some people to make a lot of money and get a lot of power, by using very religious and very republican people as stepping stones.
Finally, when don't agree with the idea of there being another civil war or some major social uprising that will destroy the neo-cons. I think that the whole Neo-Con agenda with collapse on itself. Look at what we have right now. Bush is at his lowest approval of his presidency and approval for the republican congress is at its lowest in about 7 years. I think what we are going to see over the next two to four years, are people gradually waking up to what is going on. I believe by 2008, we will not see anyone as extreme as bush or the current people in the Republican Party get elected. Then again, what do the Neo-Cons care? If their whole thing collapses by 2008, they will already have made trillions of dollars by ripping off everyone. We are probably going to see the Neo-Con ideas last for a few more years until they fizzle out. Then we can start rebuilding.
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| These people have a strong sense of loyalty towards their party. Same thing on the democratic side too, that is probably why I am no longer welcome at the democratic underground. |
I think you're dead right here. And what most people miss is that loyalty had nothing to do with the creation of the republic. Loyalty cannot replace reason. Oddly enough, it is loyalty that cannot be trusted as a virtue. Loyalty and faith are supreme virtues in the eyes of those playing the misguided political game.
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| Finally, when don't agree with the idea of there being another civil war or some major social uprising that will destroy the neo-cons. I think that the whole Neo-Con agenda with collapse on itself. |
When I look at the economy, that's a conclusion I come to also.
But I also see the emergence of a widespread kind of poverty the US has not known in many years. I don't think Americans are going to sit around pitying themselves for long. They'll understand right away from the pictures of affluence on their TV sets that the affluence of the few has been their stolen sustenance or comfort in former times. If they don't there will be plenty of people around to spread the word. Yes, I think civil strife is distinctly possible, but only after a severe economic collapse.
That's something we all know is coming.
Check this out. 
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| The Fourth Turning offers this bold prophecy: Just after the millennium, America will enter a new era that will culminate with a crisis comparable to the American Revolution, the Civil War, the Great Depression, and World War II. The survival of the nation will almost certainly be at stake. Strauss and Howe base this vision on a provocative theory of American history as a series of recurring 80- to 100-year cycles. Each cycle has four "turnings"-a High, an Awakening, an Unraveling, and a Crisis. The authors locate today's America as midway through an Unraveling, roughly a decade away from the next Crisis (or Fourth Turning). And they recommend ways Americans can prepare for what's ahead, as a nation and as individuals. As Future Shock did in the 1970s and Megatrends did in the 1980s, this groundbreaking book will have a profound effect on every reader's perception of America's past, present, and future. http://www.fourthturning.com/html/fourth_turning.html |
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| First, let me say, thank you for destroying my last thread. Anyway I was browsing the forums for news and this peaked my intrest. First, I agree with fons_castaliae about people who support this stuff are stupid. I don't think that anyone who supports bush is stupid, just very trusting. That is why Bush couldn't have stole the election, that is why bush couldn't have done anything about 9/11, that is why Bush didn't lie about Iraq. These people have a strong sense of loyalty towards their party. Same thing on the democratic side too, that is probably why I am no longer welcome at the democratic underground. One thing that I have always thought is, contrary to many of my peers, is that there is nothing wrong with republicans or being republican or republican ideas, for the most part. There are some things that liberals have right; there are some things that conservatives have right. That is why I won't hold myself to voting for one party. With that said, though, there is absolutely nothing right when it comes to Neo-Conservatives. I can understand many republican ideas but I can't wrap my head around Neo-Con ideas. It is kind of like Nazism (Nazis are worse then Neo-Cons) in the way that there is nothing good about it and there are no ideas that can help society. If you look into what Neo-Conservatism really is, it is nothing more then a way for some people to make a lot of money and get a lot of power, by using very religious and very republican people as stepping stones. Finally, when don't agree with the idea of there being another civil war or some major social uprising that will destroy the neo-cons. I think that the whole Neo-Con agenda with collapse on itself. Look at what we have right now. Bush is at his lowest approval of his presidency and approval for the republican congress is at its lowest in about 7 years. I think what we are going to see over the next two to four years, are people gradually waking up to what is going on. I believe by 2008, we will not see anyone as extreme as bush or the current people in the Republican Party get elected. Then again, what do the Neo-Cons care? If their whole thing collapses by 2008, they will already have made trillions of dollars by ripping off everyone. We are probably going to see the Neo-Con ideas last for a few more years until they fizzle out. Then we can start rebuilding. |
Sorry about that Jack, but I just can't let Trent get away with his lies and bull. It was a great thread until he slithered into it.
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