Known in some circles as a "GILF"
Is that enough to get John Mctestosterone elected?

That is Tina Fey, not Sarah Palin. I resent the confusion.

Thank you.

Ban IMO.

Truth is I google searched. The page said it was Palin and even though I didn't think it looked quite right,
for one, I kinda liked it, she seems the most "normal", I posted it anyway.

(Ding Ding Ding) You think the writers at SNL noticed the similarity yet?

Low brow, Sky. What was the point of these pics?

Kelly

To embarrass Conservative voters.
And to point out that it's my opinion that McCain has built himself a tent in his pants.
Many places all over the net are starting to call them, McCains Girls.

You don't think I care. Hell, if she's qualified, that's all that matters.
The low brow is quite deliberate and intentional.

Obama picked what he thought was the best person for the job.
McCain picked eye candy.



edit to add.....

Jon Stewart just refered to her as John McCains third wife.

She's a laughable choice as a viable VP, but any promotion of such pictures (most of which are photoshopped, by the way) within the political context lowers everyone involved.

Sexuality has no place in political discourse for either men or women.

Kelly

I don't mind being lowered. I could drop outta sight and still be higher up than the guy that chose this person to be VP of the United States


BTW Kelly. The sexuality? She came into the picture with it. She was a beauty pagent regular.
I didn't invent anything for her.

Photoshop? Got proof?

The one pic isn't ever her. The last pic is possibly shopped. The rest I believe to be real based on the source.
And that's enough.


I'm sorry if I offend your female sensibility Kelly. But, I believe it's quite clear that McCain chose a person with next to no experience that just happens to have a very attractive package. And knowing that McCain has a very long history of similar decisions, I consider it no coincidence. The sexuality? Sorry, but it exists and I don't think I should avoid it.

I promise though, I won't make it the basis of my opinion, unless information shows that it should be.

You didn't offend my female sensibilities, Les, you offended my proggressive sensibilities.

Here are the real Vogue pics - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/s...i_n_122389.html
Kos can set you straight on at least some of the pics - http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/2.../497/102/579590

You claim proggressive values, Sky, but mocking Palin for her looks is anything but. That she was once a beauty queen is irrelevant to her current aspirations. It's obvious she's unqualified, but her appearance has nothing to do with the reasons.

I've never once seen you spend a moment of time on the appearance of any male candidates.

Kelly

Oh I wish that were true...

Sure, it would be nice if sexuality were off limits in political discourse, but it is anything but.

But an interesting point is brought up in this discussion, how much does sexuality play in politics?

Sorry kelly, but I have to agree with Lib.
Lemme ask you this.

What if Obama had chosen a young, sexy white woman?
Would the GOP leave the sexuality alone?

No, that doesn't mean it's OK. It means it's a fact and it will happen.



The woman is not qualified for the job. The fact that she's a good looking woman and that John McTestesterone has a thing for good looking young women is a real and qualified issue. If I were the current Mrs. McCain, I'd be real nervous. Hope she signed a pre-nup!

Sarah Palin, in an interview asks, "What does the Vice President do?"
I would assume since this interview that someone has given her a clue?

Is this a female Dan Quale?

1. I hope the "what exactly does the VP do?" clip circulates for weeks.
2. This looks a lot to be a Harriet Miers-esque backfire against McCain.

Sarah Palin, appoved by Sarah Palin. Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Louise_Heath_Palin




Sand Point Idaho? That has to be the most racist, red neck place on the face of the earth!

I would have thought it would be off limits to someone who espouses a proggressive view, regardless of the knuckle dragging across the aisle. Simply claiming a proggressive viewpoint is does not make one a proggressive thinker.

Kelly

I never claimed that I was evaluating her in a sexual context. I simply mean that many or most people are open to that type of influence.

Haven't been here in awhile but I wanted to add this. Personally I find it hilarious and completely accurate. Seriously, how many REAL Hillary Clinton supporters are going to vote McCain/Palin just because she is a woman, I knew the GOP was out of touch, but I had no idea just how much.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183521&title=john-mccain-chooses-a-running

I can point out such behavior without condoning such behavior.

Indeed, but your first post in this thread was not pointing out the behavior, but engaging in it...

That was not the intention.
The point was and still is, does this person match up with so called "Family Values",
and did McCain choose to select someone he had not vetted based on appearance?

Kelly, the other thing I think you're overlooking is that Palin is just as guilty of using her sexuality. Are you telling me she posed for Vogue for other reasons?

::laughing:: Lib, the Vogue cover is photoshopped. She posed in Vogue, yes, but the photos were in no way fashionable or sexy.

This pic; was made from this pic;

These are examples of the real Vogue photos;

There are enough reasons to find Palin an innapropriate choice for Vice President that stooping to overt sexism is simply lazy.

Kelly

OK Kelly, I hear you.




The naughty librarian is not and has not ever used her sexuality for personal gain.

What am I saying that indicates sexism on my part? I pointed out that her looks have been a contributing factor for her and for some people who vote for her in her political career. Simply pointing out that sexism exists does not make me a sexist. If you're simply pointing out that Democrats/Progressives don't need to bring this up, I agree. However, the fact that she jumped from beauty queen to politician suggests that she thinks there is some value in the notoriety she gained as a model. That is all I am saying.

Sorry, beauty queen, to TV sports caster, to politician.
Sexuality is a part of life just as racism and many other negative human aspects.
Ignoring it doesn't make it go away. Pointing it out doesn't make you a part of it.

McCain is currently the leader of the American political party that claims a moral lock on what they call "family values".
Mr McCain has a known history of womanizing. Even very reciently in Sturgis during the bike rally he suggested his wife could have participated in the wet t shirt contest. He was joking, but is that the sort of humor you subject someone you respect too? Now we have Palin in the picture. In spite of having vetted many other possibilities, this one was not vetted. In fact McCain only met the woman once, and only in passing. (sorry, no link available to back this up) She also has an exceptionally limited history and reach of experience in national and international politics. The fact then that she's also quite young and pretty then does seem to weigh into the story line. No, she may not have deliberately used her looks to get herself selected. But, her looks may well have played a role anyway. Those looks coupled with her very domestic personal views and values made her an easy selection for McDick, just as long as he figures he's probly lost anyway, so why not take a chance? And if it works? Great! It'll be nice having some good looking legs to peek at.

In other words, of all the people that McDick could have selected, many of whom were women, many I am sure held similer views to his own, and certainly many were much more qualified, he selected a young, pretty, and politically limited female that could quite possibly be a big liability to his candicacy, to be his VP choice. Why?



Edit to add....
I might ask, what do Palin and Limbaugh both have in common, (besides both being extreme right wingers)
They both started out as sports casters.

Trivia lab is now closed

Lib, I was not accusing you of sexism, and apologize if my comments seemed otherwise. I was addressing what appeared to be your support of Sky's use of the Palin pictures that opened this thread.


Again, no argument, though it cannot be argued, Sky, that using it as you did opening this thread is not pointing it out, but actively engaging in sexist behavior.


Now that is (for the most part) a relevant argument, Sky, worthy of someone with a proggressive viewpoint!

Kelly

The original intention, whether successful or not, was to firmly put tongue in cheek and be the sexist, to make the larger point.

Fortunately for me it's you who's been asking the questions. Because of respect I did listen.




Fortunately, (or what ever) there will be a rather constant parade of revelations concerning young Ms. Palin.
There are those in the tubes who are wondering if she might well excuse herself from the race.

I think the better take on this is that she is obviously inexperienced, something McCain was running against, and she is absolutely a die-hard conservative, which ought to mess with the "maverick" image a bit (although I heard someone call Palin a maverick, too, lol). I think the "candidate McCain" vs "Senator McCain" model should do quite nicely.

"for the most part" - OK, good enough! -

I note you haven't objected to the reduction of McCan't down to a male sex organ...

Palin's a shallow choice, I think. But to your point Lib, some women swoon (I know, that term may seem itself to be sexist.) at Obama's speeches. Is it the same?

Yeah, Obama indeed. He's a very attractive young man, oozing sex-appeal. Do women listen to his political ideas, or are they just looking at how his lips move.... ;-)

You're right. My bit of hypocrisy, eh?

Kelly

Call it, personal perspective.

Indeed. Easy for me to see when a woman is being maligned, but I miss the same when it happens to a man.

Damnable human frailty!

Kelly