Those of you that hate Ron paul and others that clearly have no clue of the truth about him through erroneous mainstream media sources, should take solace in the fact that Congressman Paul is staging his Rally for the Republic during the Republican convention which will both take place in Minnesota. Over 9000 seats have been sold to date and they seek to sell 15,000 seats.

Jesse Venture, Barry Goldwater Junior, Tucker Carlson and others will be speaking at the three day event. The mainstream media coverage will again be showcased in their desire to actually report this significant and party dividing event.

If you wish to know more for whatever reason go here for more details:

http://www.rallyfortherepublic.com/

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad Ron Paul is out there disrupting the Republicans. I am even glad he is brining some fresh viewpoints to the national dialogue. I just happen to disagree with the majority of his policy positions that don't involve military entanglement.

Plus, I think you're barking up the wrong tree if you assume people here have a bad image of Ron Paul because of mainstream media.

The media can crush a candidate either by swift-boating or just totally ignoring him. In Pauls case they trivialized him even though he made the most controversial statements of any candidate in recent (the last forty years) history. All one need do is watch the Republican debates on YouTube and hear what he said while all his colleagues and the media failed to question him on his controversial and accusatory statements. The magnitude of what he said cried out for scrutiny yet nothing but silence followed. Just facinating!

Let's repeat what Libertas said, even though I thought the statement was quite clear.





It's quite possible that the people on this board are not stupid and in fact are quite capable of forming their own opinions INDEPENDENT of the sycophants in the MSM. It's also quite more than likely that the members of this forum, because they are very intelligent and highly informed, are very aware of the shortcomings of the main stream media.

I don't doubt that most on this forum are, yet one cannot deny the fact that the mainstream media has massive influence over the voting public and they are not on this forum. You have presented to me erroneous and misleading statements about Ron Paul that came straight from you msm. Like Malcolm X once said:

"The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses."


con·spir·a·cy Audio Help /kənˈspɪrəsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-spir-uh-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -cies. 1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.


For decades propaganda has been used to manipulate us. That is "conspiracy."

Wars have been created without our being attacked. That is conspiracy!

The PNAC PLANNED 4 wars, 2 of which are currently going, while Syria was also attacked by partner in crime Israel and the fourth (Iran) is still on the table. That is conspiracy!

The 2000 election coup headed by the neocons of the PNAC. That is conspiracy!

Planned lies to sell America on the wars. That is a conspiracy!

The Dems statements and inferences prior to the 2006 election. That is yet another conspiracy!

Here is another question you'll probably remain mute on.

How is it that you can trust any group that openly states they will make change then goes back on their word and actually aids and abets the same criminality we all voted to extinguish?

OK, then preach to them. Get yourself a pulpit and hit the road.
The members of this forum don't need to be preached or told that we've been duped.

I say it again, Join WITH us. The adversary posture isn't productive here.
Accept that many will not agree with all that you do. Most of us don't have a problem with agreeing to disagree, and we can dispute and argue specifics without it being personal and without being preachy.

happymisanthropy is a good example. On almost every issue our views are parallel. However, the issue of gun control we absolutely disagree and can find no common ground. Every now and then a topic comes up and we butt heads on our gun views, but quickly get over it. We generally agree to disagree, even though every now and then the topic isn't avoided as it should NOT be. Happy is a very intelligent guy and he's won my respect many times over. (as have most all the regulars on this board)

Yes, I'm the king of stubborn. That however does not mean that my views can't change because in fact they do quite often. However, just because you say a thing is so, that may not be enough to make me dismount off my known and trusted steed. I'm old enough that my views have been discussed and thought about and changed and re changed many times over the years. I have decades of personal experience and research to reinforce my views. If you want to change my core values, good luck, but it can't be done. I am what I am and I'm pleased with it that way. There are other issue though that are some what less rigid than my core values, but not much. After all, as I said, I'm the king of stubborn.

You see, it's my job to question me and what I think. That means I decide what and when and where and how. Your job, if that's what you want to do, is to present a compelling argument, and a form that piques my interest. Meaning, present it in a way that compels me to be interested.

Remember, you can't teach anyone that does not wish to learn.
If you put your argument out there and it turns me off, you lost. I mentioned before somewhere in these posts about finding a different delivery method. I'm still saying it.

Maybe your dad was rigid with you, because you were rigid with him?
Maybe you are your fathers son?

My opinion of Ron Paul comes from long time lurking on right-libertarian message boards, long before the warmstream media ever mentioned his name.

Mainstream Republicans really do want the same things Ron Paul does; they just intend to achieve them by literally bankrupting our society.

If you really KNOW about Ron Paul, you should know that this man IS NOT driven by greed. He IS NOT corrupt. He IS NOT a Neocon. he IS NOT at all racist. He KNows his issues. He TRULY believes in the rule of law. He cares about America and Americans. He wants smaller government. He knows economics. He is highly intelligent. I know this to be true and knew he was genuine when I met him and talked to him. He DID NOT censor what anybody said or filter his meeting. America would do well to back this guy, but unfortunately, we continue to beg for more of the same. Too bad for us. Too bad for our Constitution and sovereignty. We lose!

Ron who?

He is an ultra conservative. Why woudl anybody on a board that populated by Liberals think he's all that and a Coke?
Personally, i believe we'd lose if you had your Paulist way, and the constitution would be used as a weapon, in ways never intended.

I'm moving this to the 2008 candidates section. I've also bumped the RP threads in the litterbox, for added fun.

Yeah, well I know a guy who didn't run for a republican ticket, has never been a libertarian, who isn't supported by white supremacists, and hasn't (at least) put his name at the top of racist literature, but still fits everything you've said (except for the smaller govt. thing). His name is Dennis Kucinich, and as far as I'm aware, he's done much more to hold the "conspirators" that you've mentioned accountable for their actions, and vocally presented methods to stop the war during his campaign...

I guess I've got a couple questions for you:
Why the outright obsession with a guy considering all the baggage he carries? Why is he the only person you believe can make a difference? It seems to me that through his economic policies, the true corruptors of our way of life would be well served by his "hands off" approach, deregulated multinationals could quickly and happily fill the void left by getting rid of the Federal reserve, and with the dissolution of the majority of taxes and social programs would lead to general anger and growing violence which companies like private prison and security contractors exstatic. As I've said before on this forum, I appreciate the ideas the guy has, but it's too late for them. It would have been great if he had run for president before the income tax and the Fed were created, but the structure can't be brought down now without dire consequences...

Why is it that you decided to dote on Paul, and not, say, someone like Kucinich?

Dennis was my first choice.

Kucinich is a good man. One of the very few and a good friend of Ron Pauls. I personally would have loved to see a Paul/Kucinich or Kucinich/Paul ticket. Those two are the ONLY two that have the balls to talk truth and I give accolades to Kucinich for introducing the Articles of Impeachment. Too bad Pelosi is a rabid neocon.

Even though I personally believe that the Universe is teeming with life, Kucinich should never have discussed flying saucers and extraterrestrial life. That may what be what sank his boat.

Ron Paul is an economist under the Mises school of thought in Austrian economics and has a plan. None of the other candiates have a plan but to keep spending and keep us in debt.......FOREVER!