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Jack
Well sky, it appears to be coming togeather, with three new stories from today.

First, the McCain campaign is shaking things up. The person in charge of his day to day operations is switching from his campaign manager, Rick Davis, to Steve Schmidt, a man known for his mudslinging political style.

Frist Sign of Trouble: Campaign Shake Ups

Second, McCain's anger problem is starting to show. In his trip to Columbia, one reporter asked him about his military service, and it is reported that he barely kept his composure.

Second Sign Of Trouble: Major Gaffes

Third, the RNC plans on running its first ads of the season to help out McCain. They are planning on running ads in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. While the RNC can only run ads in four states, Obama is currently running ads in 18 states, an unprecedented number.

Third Sign of Trouble: No Money To Compete (I lost the link to the story)
sky of mind
McCain himself won't be able to hold it together until November, and if not for the many other conservative groups propping him up, he'd already have fallen over.
Jack
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Wednesday, 2 July 2008, 9:06 am) *
McCain himself won't be able to hold it together until November, and if not for the many other conservative groups propping him up, he'd already have fallen over.


You may be right but i think that once a candidate has fall apart, no amount independent support is going to have any effect. I think by the end of the summer, republicans are just going to want to get election day over with and will be looking beyond 2008 to try and figure out how to become competitive again. They will probably write off winning the presidency some point in August and attempt to minimize their losses in the house and senate.

While i doubt this will actually pick up steam, you are starting to see republican supporters, like bloggers and independent analyst, saying that they want the republicans to pick a new candidate at the convention because McCain doesn't appear to even be trying.
soon2b
This certainly isn't a prediction or anything, but we might contemplate the fact that until the convention's are over, we have only presumptive candidates.
sky of mind
QUOTE (soon2b @ Wednesday, 2 July 2008, 9:35 am) *
This certainly isn't a prediction or anything, but we might contemplate the fact that until the convention's are over, we have only presumptive candidates.



Good point Sooner. But when was the last time a "presumptive" primary winner was NOT the nominee?
seuss
QUOTE (soon2b @ Wednesday, 2 July 2008, 12:35 pm) *
This certainly isn't a prediction or anything, but we might contemplate the fact that until the convention's are over, we have only presumptive candidates.


I've been thinking about that a bit recently, but the only candidate with any steam left when they "suspended" their campaign was Romney, and the conservatives wouldn't be any happier with him a the top of the ticket. I suppose they could pick up on Huckabee, but I just don't think that's gonna happen.

On another note, the direction of popular support or momentum that you percieve really depends on where you get your news from... Just recently, my cable got hooked up again, and I was blown away by the anti-obama angle that I heard coming from the major news outlets... I'm curious to see the most recent polls come out, taking this week into account. I hadn't heard anything about McCain losing his cool at a reporter about his service record, only Wesley Clarke. The TV news seems to be focusing on Obama's shift to the center and the outrage that coming from that. I'm a little confused at why everyone on the left is so angry - we knew he was hawkish from the beginning, he never said anything about being against any military action except Iraq... we knew he was the type to play the "centerist post partisan" He's not shiftying to the center, he shifted to the left to placate the base in the primaries. He's a politician. That's what they do.

I don't know why everyone decided he was the "great blue hope" in the first place.
I wouldn't be surprised if he picked Colin Powell as his running mate.
soon2b
QUOTE (seuss @ Wednesday, 2 July 2008, 2:34 pm) *
The TV news seems to be focusing on Obama's shift to the center and the outrage that coming from that. I'm a little confused at why everyone on the left is so angry - we knew he was hawkish from the beginning, he never said anything about being against any military action except Iraq... we knew he was the type to play the "centerist post partisan" He's not shiftying to the center, he shifted to the left to placate the base in the primaries. He's a politician. That's what they do.

The left's famous circular firing squad...."he's saying things that aren't pure enough for us." Every candidate, of necessity, moves to the center for the general election. You don't do it, you don't win; wanna win? Also, having been thru lots of elections, I've learned that wherever a candidate positions himself while campaigning, it will soon be forgotten and gives no clue as to how he'll actually govern. Also, what seuss says. If the party or the country was ready for a candidate to make all of our liberal dreams come true, Kucinich would be the candidate and he'd be far ahead in the polls. If Republicans really wanted to win, and if McCain was really looking like a sure loser, I could imagine them finding a way to dump him. I think tho, that they realize how much they've screwed this country, that it can't possibly be fixed in four years, and Obama might make a good scapegoat. Shouldn't say I think that for sure, but I do think it's a possible scenario.
sky of mind
QUOTE (soon2b @ Wednesday, 2 July 2008, 12:30 pm) *
The left's famous circular firing squad...."he's saying things that aren't pure enough for us." Every candidate, of necessity, moves to the center for the general election. You don't do it, you don't win; wanna win? Also, having been thru lots of elections, I've learned that wherever a candidate positions himself while campaigning, it will soon be forgotten and gives no clue as to how he'll actually govern. Also, what seuss says. If the party or the country was ready for a candidate to make all of our liberal dreams come true, Kucinich would be the candidate and he'd be far ahead in the polls. If Republicans really wanted to win, and if McCain was really looking like a sure loser, I could imagine them finding a way to dump him. I think tho, that they realize how much they've screwed this country, that it can't possibly be fixed in four years, and Obama might make a good scapegoat. Shouldn't say I think that for sure, but I do think it's a possible scenario.





Shades of the 1968 Democratic convention?
Jack
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Wednesday, 2 July 2008, 1:13 pm) *
Shades of the 1968 Democratic convention?


I hope you mean for the Pubs this time.
sky of mind
No, I was refering to the democratic circular firing squad, and Chicago 1968 perfectly demonstrated this reality.
The Dems had it to take, and royally blew it. The riots were an immediate and visable result of them blowing it.
Jack
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Wednesday, 2 July 2008, 3:00 pm) *
No, I was refering to the democratic circular firing squad, and Chicago 1968 perfectly demonstrated this reality.
The Dems had it to take, and royally blew it. The riots were an immediate and visable result of them blowing it.


Na, i'm not too concerned about it. It happened once, 40 years ago and i think, despite some of the whining by the far left, almost all democrats are satisfied with obama. Even the hillary supporters seem at peace these days. Besides, young people don't have demonstrations anymore. Too busy playing their Xboxes, whatever the devil those are.
sky of mind
QUOTE (Jack @ Wednesday, 2 July 2008, 2:11 pm) *
Na, i'm not too concerned about it. It happened once, 40 years ago and i think, despite some of the whining by the far left, almost all democrats are satisfied with obama. Even the hillary supporters seem at peace these days. Besides, young people don't have demonstrations anymore. Too busy playing their Xboxes, whatever the devil those are.




First, Mayor Daily is long dead. So no, it won't ever happen again. But that wasn't the point.
The point was the circular firing squad, and yes, we DO still have the potential to blow it, even if it's handed to us.

The main thing that might prevent that, is Obama's charisma. The man himself might be strong enough glue to keep us unified long enough to get the ball rolling. Once that happens, it'll keep going on it's own momentum.
Bluzfn5
Did anyone pick up the new Rolling Stone? Can't miss it with Obama on the cover. There are some really good articles in there. I believe you have to be a subscriber to access the current issue stuff online or I would post a link. It is worth picking up and reading.

sky of mind
QUOTE (Bluzfn5 @ Wednesday, 2 July 2008, 6:16 pm) *
Did anyone pick up the new Rolling Stone? Can't miss it with Obama on the cover. There are some really good articles in there. I believe you have to be a subscriber to access the current issue stuff online or I would post a link. It is worth picking up and reading.


Ya can't get the whole magazine for free, but you can get quite a bit of it!






http://www.rollingstone.com/

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/21472234

A Conversation With Barack Obama
The Candidate Talks About The Youth Vote, What's On His iPod and His Top Three Priorities As President

By JANN S. WENNERPosted Jul 10, 2008 3:28 PM


Shortly after Barack Obama claimed victory in the fight for the Democratic nomination, I joined him aboard his chartered 757 campaign plane as a member of the press corps. He was flying from Chicago to Appleton, Wisconsin, for a town-hall meeting, one of a series he was doing in Midwestern and swing states to address constituencies he might have missed during the primaries — and, of course, to get some warm-up practice for any town-hall debates he has with John McCain.

The first thing I notice about the plane is how low-key it is, all coach seating from back (the press) to front (the candidate). There is no separate compartment for this potential president; he just holds down the second row for himself and his newspapers. There are no more than 10 staffers on the plane, and a dozen or more rows are empty, separating the senator from the Secret Service contingent and two dozen members of the traveling press corps. It's not a big day or a big event: The primaries are done, and none of the media big names are along.

So far in this campaign, despite their evident admiration, Obama has held the press at a respectful distance. The limit for our interview is going to be 50 minutes, which I think says a lot about him and his campaign. Most every other presidential candidate I've met and interviewed has tended to be gregarious, talkative almost to a fault, eager to please and eager to impress. Obama, by contrast, is quiet, collected and effortlessly precise.

His calmness is reflected in the smooth and controlled campaign he is overseeing. In conversation, his thoughtfulness is punctuated by an easy wit, much as his clockwork campaign is a stage for his eloquence and charismatic gifts as a leader.

I am often asked, "What's he like?" If you really want to know, read Dreams From My Father. It's all in there, and it's a wonderful piece of writing in its own right.

When we are done, his parting words are delivered with a dazzling smile: "OK, brother — take care."



You were endorsed by Bob Dylan a few days ago. What's that mean to you?
I've got to say, having both Dylan and Bruce Springsteen say kind words about you is pretty remarkable. Those guys are icons.


Do you have any favorite Dylan songs?
I've got probably 30 Dylan songs on my iPod. I think I have the entire Blood on the Tracks album on there. Actually, one of my favorites during the political season is "Maggie's Farm." It speaks to me as I listen to some of the political rhetoric
.

When did you begin to think you could or should be president? At what stage in your life did that idea first dawn on you?
I would distinguish between thinking that, in the abstract, I could make some better decisions being president than the current occupant, and believing that, in a very concrete way, being president was something I would pursue. I would say that it wasn't until I won my Senate primary and then went to the Democratic convention in 2004 that I had a sense that the message I was delivering might resonate with a broad cross section of the American people.

So it was that response at the Democratic convention that year?
It wasn't just at the convention. We had gotten a pretty powerful response while I was running in the primary in Illinois. After I won, there was a real sense that people were eager to move beyond some of the old arguments.


Read the entire interview in the new issue of Rolling Stone, on stands June 20, 2008.


Bluzfn5
Good work Sky. I was under the impression that you couldn't get any of the new articles online for 30 days. I have the issue so I read it the old fashioned way!

I found the cover to be rather striking in person.
Jack
More evidence is starting to surface that the McCain campaign is fizzling out (not that it was ever flying high). After weeks of being told by the national party that he needs to come up with some kind of coherent message and strategy to actually win, McCain has yet to do much of anything to remedy his problems. The election is just four months away and McCain's campaign is still in the planning stages when it comes to the general election. Most campaigns would have had this done a long time ago and despite what this article says, four months is not enough time to plan and execute a successful campaign. At this point, he might as well wait until the morning of November 7th to really start planning this thing out. And just to give you some idea of the urgency at which McCain is attempting to come up with some way to actually raise money, convey his message, focus his image, attack obama, and a strategy to win the electoral vote, he is spending Thursday-early Monday at his home in Arizona with his family, he doesn't work weekends at all, and he has barely campaigned in the united states in the last two weeks. Meanwhile, Obama is campaigning nonstop, raising money left and right, and spent a year building a 50 state operation.

And if you read this article, they will keep mentioning mccain's ability to come back from behind, like he did in the primaries. However, ignoring that point would probably be wise. Remember how he won the primaries. He didn't do anything to stage some kind of upset. He just happened to be the last one left standing. Most people ignored him and by December, all of the early front runners had been battered after months in the media spotlight.




WASHINGTON — John McCain calls himself an underdog. That may be an understatement. The GOP presidential candidate trails Democrat Barack Obama in polls, organization and money while trying to succeed a deeply unpopular fellow Republican in a year that favors Democrats. McCain also doesn't seem to have a coherent message let alone much of a strategy despite securing the nomination three months earlier than Obama.

"This is a tough race. We are behind. We are the underdog. That's what I like to be," the GOP nominee-in-waiting frequently tells donors these days, keenly aware not only of his woes but also his proven comeback ability: He won his party's nomination despite the implosion of his campaign last summer.

One year later, and now in the general election, McCain's troubles are so acute that he recently gave senior adviser Steve Schmidt "full operational control" of the day-to-day campaign and, effectively, scaled back the duties of campaign manager Rick Davis. The shift in responsibilities came after weeks of Republican quibbling that McCain had not adequately made the transition for the fall.

"The frustration is there's no big theme around which to build a winning campaign," said Steve Lombardo, a Republican pollster. "They need a big strategic message that will show the differences between the two campaigns, and allow for a win."

Hope is far from lost: The election is still four months away. The national conventions and the presidential debates are upcoming. Conservative evangelical leaders skeptical of McCain are now coalescing around him. The race remains competitive. And, Obama's campaign is far from flawless.

McCain also is beefing up his staff with more presidential campaign veterans under the guidance of Schmidt, a top aide in President Bush's re-election effort and the operative who led Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to a come-from-behind victory in California two years ago.

The campaign will try to showcase its efforts to restore discipline next week when McCain announces a "jobs first" economic plan and tours competitive states.

For now, GOP insiders are cautious as they watch for improvement _ and they should be.

The political environment is dreadful for the GOP, with Bush's approval rating at low levels as the country teeters economically and fights two wars.

And, as McCain's campaign struggles, Obama is seemingly skating along, visiting states Bush won four years ago and courting traditional GOP supporters with his core message: "Change We Can Believe In."

Nonetheless, the Illinois senator says, "I'm going to have to be a better candidate" and is mindful of his own vulnerabilities.

There are many, not the least of which is trying to become the first black president of a country where racism still runs deep. The GOP-fueled liberal elitist label also could stick on this Harvard-educated Chicagoan.

And, Obama also may be undercutting his claim to be a straight-shooting, new-politics candidate as he repeatedly breaks with his liberal base on various issues to aggressively move to appeal to the center of the electorate.

National polls vary widely, but they have one commonality: None show McCain ahead of Obama. And, on voters' most important issues, McCain trails on every subject but Iraq and terrorism. He also lags in key states, including Bush-won Colorado and Ohio.

When it comes to message and strategy, McCain has appeared to flounder.

He hasn't settled on one theme and can't seem to stick with a particular line of argument in favor of his candidacy for more than a couple days. His attempts to derail Obama are scattershot; the campaign simply takes advantages of openings Obama creates rather than creating a negative narrative against the Democrat. And, McCain's fundraising events have driven his campaign schedule, often putting him in solid Republican states instead of swing states likely to decide the election.

As the sleepy summer pre-convention window opens, Obama is running TV ads in 18 states while McCain focuses on 11 for now and the Republican National Committee bolsters his efforts in the Great Lakes region.

At the same time, McCain is working to match Obama's organization. For now, McCain's campaign is roughly 300-strong compared with Obama's 1,000-person plus operation.

Obama had a campaign in just about every state during the long Democratic primary, and he has started bolstering the remnants of those existing networks. His aides also boast of a hefty grass-roots organization, a "persuasion army" of allies who will reach out to neighbors, friends and relatives. That's reminiscent of Bush's 2004 campaign.

Conversely, McCain's ground-game operation has been slow-moving; staffers weren't dispatched in earnest to key states until last month _ even though the GOP primary ended in March. The RNC has fewer than 100 offices with just about the same number of field staffers. The campaign, itself, has 11 regional campaign managers who, in turn, have brought on nearly 100 staff members as part of a much-maligned, decentralized structure.

To return power to headquarters, Schmidt is hiring a national political director and a national field director to oversee ground-game efforts, and is promising to add hundreds more field staff and open more local GOP offices.

But all that takes money, and here, too, McCain trails.

Obama has 1.5 million donors and had raised more than $287 million by the end of May. McCain has far fewer donors and had raised $115 million. May was Obama's worst fundraising month of the year. He raised $22 million, to the $21 million McCain brought in during his best fundraising month.

Still, McCain and Obama entered June with virtually the same amount of cash available for the rest of the summer, $33 million for Obama to $31.6 million for McCain.

But McCain probably will feel the financial pinch this fall.

Unlike Obama, McCain will accept nearly $85 million in public financing and the spending limits that come with it. The Democrat can raise and spend at will.

Said Phil Musser, a former Republican Governors Association executive director: "There are a lot of miles to go before we get to Election Day, and McCain is in his finest form when he's the underdog."

The candidate had better hope that rings true once again.
sky of mind
As I have said already, November is already a done deal. The only question remaining is how wide will be the margin, and the demographics.


Even the people in the warehouse where I work, nearly all of whom are, or were Bushbot Rush listiners have pretty much accepted that Obama is gonna be their president. Most have already started grumbling as if he already were president.


You know the rollercoaster ride, when the $10 ride is just about over as the cars roll that last bit of flat track back into the house? That's where Bush is now. There's nothing left but to wait for the ride to end and the safety bars to go up.
Jack
Good news, the McCain campaign has settled on a strategy to win in November.

McCain To Continue To Do The Same Thing, Believes No One Was Paying Attention The First Time Around (Seriously)
Jack
So i have been thinking more about this idea of a "campaign meltdown" and i have found nine criteria that i think show signs that things are really falling apart for a candidate.

1. Little to no money being raised.

2. Traditional party strongholds falling to the opposition party.

3. Numerous gaffes by the candidate

4. Campaign "shake ups", layoffs, and infighting.

5. Incoherent platforms/positions/messages

6. Incoherent, uncertain, or negative identity

7. Campaign is often slow to react, has indecisive campaigning strategy, or is often no where to be found

8. Campaign attempts many desperate, long shot, confusing, and embarrassing gimmicks.

9. A steady flow of revelations and scandals.




So which one do we have today?

Have three stories falling under criteria #8

GOP Attempts To Win Over Black Vote By Claiming MLK Was A Republican

McCain Announces Intention On Winning California, Beings Ad Buy and Sets Up State Offices

McCain Warns Obama Will Take Away People's Plastic Sandals


We have one story falling under criteria #2

Recent Polls Show Obama Pulling Away In Several Red States And Has Become Highly Competitive In Several More


And one story from criteria #6

Large Number of People Describe McCain in One Word : Old
karen
QUOTE (Jack @ Monday, 7 July 2008, 4:24 pm) *
So i have been thinking more about this idea of a "campaign meltdown" and i have found nine criteria that i think show signs that things are really falling apart for a candidate.

1. Little to no money being raised.

2. Traditional party strongholds falling to the opposition party.

3. Numerous gaffes by the candidate

4. Campaign "shake ups" and/or campaign layoffs

5. Incoherent platforms/positions/messages

6. Incoherent, uncertain, or negative identity

7. Campaign is often slow to react, has indecisive campaigning strategy, or is often no where to be found

8. Campaign attempts many desperate, long shot, confusing, and embarrassing gimmicks.

9. A steady flow of revelations and scandals.




So which one do we have today?

Have three stories falling under criteria #8

GOP Attempts To Win Over Black Vote By Claiming MLK Was A Republican

McCain Announces Intention On Winning California, Beings Ad Buy and Sets Up State Offices

McCain Warns Obama Will Take Away People's Plastic Sandals


We have one story falling under criteria #2

Recent Polls Show Obama Pulling Away In Several Red States And Has Become Highly Competitive In Several More


And one story from criteria #6

Large Number of People Describe McCain in One Word : Old


Nice post, Jack!
Can we please have daily updates using your criteria? - Just because I think I'd enjoy them. biggrin.gif clap.gif thumbup.gif
Jack
QUOTE (karen @ Monday, 7 July 2008, 2:37 pm) *
Nice post, Jack!
Can we please have daily updates using your criteria? - Just because I think I'd enjoy them. biggrin.gif clap.gif thumbup.gif


Anything for you Karen wink.gif
karen
QUOTE (Jack @ Monday, 7 July 2008, 4:48 pm) *
Anything for you Karen wink.gif


Much appreciated, Jack! biggrin.gif
Jack
Here you are Karen. I believe this falls under #4.

Shake Ups, Power Plays, and In Fighting In McCain's Campaign
tommytoons
clap.gif Great Post Jack! I'm really enjoying your posts on this issue!!! Please keep it up for us!!!
tommytoons
thumbup.gif By George Jack, I think you really are onto something, your posts prove to me that McCain and the rest of his staff have deluded themselves that the reality they see is not the reality we have. Scary isn't it too think that this man can look at the country and still think its the same world that you and I see.

It goes beyond the fact they are Neo-Conservatives and we are liberals...there is a total disconnect to the world! Great Post, Keep it up!! Thanks Jack! clap.gif
sky of mind
http://www.reddit.com/goto?id=6r8ym


The Week That Should Have Ended McCain's Presidential Hopes
Posted July 10, 2008



This is the week that should have effectively ended John McCain's efforts to become the next president of the United States. But you wouldn't know it if you watched any of the mainstream media outlets or followed political reporting in the major newspapers.

During this past week: McCain called the most important entitlement program in the U.S. a disgrace, his top economic adviser called the American people whiners, McCain released an economic plan that no one thought was serious, he flip flopped on Iraq, joked about the deaths of Iranian citizens, and denied making comments that he clearly made -- TWICE. All this and it is not even Friday! Yet watching and reading the mainstream press you would think McCain was having a pretty decent political week, I mean at least Jesse Jackson didn't say anything about him.

But let's unpack McCain's week in a little more detail.

1. McCain unambiguously called Social Security "an absolute disgrace." This is not a quote taken out of context. John McCain called one of the most successful and popular government programs, which uses the tax revenues of current workers to support retirement benefits for the elderly "an absolute disgrace." This is shocking - and if uttered from Obama's mouth would dominate the news coverage and the Sunday shows, as pundits would speculate about the massive damage the statement would cause him among retirees in Florida.

2. McCain's top economic policy adviser calls Americans a bunch of "whiners" for being worried about the slumping economy. Words cannot fully explain how devastating this statement should be from Phil Gramm. You would think it would be enough to sink McCain's campaign. Of course McCain only thinks that the economic problems are psychological.

3. Iraqi leaders call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, McCain gets caught in a bizarre denial and flip flop. The Iraqis now want us to begin planning our withdrawal - McCain however wants to stay foooorrreeevvveerrrr. So what does McCain say - First, he refuses to accept Maliki's statement as being true. Then he concedes that it was an accurate statement, but was probably just a political ploy to curry favor with his own people and WOULD NOT influence his determination to keep US troops in Iraq indefinitely. Yet, McCain in 2004 at the Council on Foreign Relations said that if the Iraqis asked us to leave, we would have to go. No matter what. But that was apparently a younger and less experienced John McCain.

But let's just look at his comment that Maliki's statement is "just politics." If that is true, then it must also be true that the American military presence in Iraq is so unpopular with Iraqis that the government is forced to push for a timetable in order to survive at the ballot box. That's a reason to stay for 100 years.

4. McCain's economic plan to cut the deficit has no details and is simply not believable. There are so many things here. McCain pledges he would eliminate the deficit by the end of his first term (the campaign latter flip flop flipped about whether it was four years or eight years), but does not provide any details about how he would do it. Economists on both sides of the political aisle said that this was simply not believable, especially given McCain's other proposals to a) cut individual and corporate taxes even further, cool.gif extend the Bush tax cuts and c) massively increase defense spending on manpower (200,000 more troops) and d) maintain a long-term sizable military presence in Iraq.

5. McCain's deficit plan includes bringing the troops home represents a major Iraq flip-flop. Speaking of the long-term military presence - a story that has gotten absolutely no attention is that McCain now believes the war will be over soon. The economic forecasts made by his crack team of economists predict that there will be significant savings during McCain's first term because we will have achieved "victory" in Iraq and Afghanistan. The savings from victory (ie the savings from not having our troops there) will then be used to pay down the deficit. The only way this could have any impact on the deficit in McCain's first time is if troop withdrawals start very soon. So McCain believes victory is in our grasps and we can begin withdraw troops from Iraq pretty much right away -- doesn't sound that different from Obama's plan does it. Someone should at least ask McCain HOW HE DEFINES VICTORY - and why he thinks we will achieve it in the next couple of years.

6. McCain campaign misled about economists support. In the major press release the McCain campaign issued to tout its Jobs for America economic plan that would balance the budget in 4 years, it included the signatures of more than 300 economists who the campaign claimed to support the plan. Only problem is that the economists were actually asked to sign up to SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Um, hello?

7. McCain makes a joke about killing Iranians. Haha... that's just McCain being McCain. I am sure that is exactly how it is being reported in Tehran. This guy is running for President not to become a talk radio pundit. Yet according to the AP this was just a humanizing moment between candidate and spouse - I am not sure when joking about the deaths of civilians became humanizing.

8. McCain denies, flatly, that he ever said that he is not an expert in economics. Are you kidding?






9). McCain distorts his record on veterans benefits in response to a question from Vietnam Veteran, who then proceeds to call McCain out on it.



10.) McCain demonstrates he knows nothing about Afghanistan and Pakistan. McCain said "I think if there is some good news, I think that there is a glimmer of improving relationship between Karzai and the Pakistanis." Pat Barry notes how crazy this comment is..."Just what "glimmer" is McCain talking about?? Maybe he's referring to President Karzai's remarks last month, which threatened military action in Pakistan if cross-border attacks persisted? Or maybe McCain is talking about Afghanistan's allegations that Pakistan's ISI was involved in a recent assassination attempt on Karzai? Maybe in McCain's world you could call that a silver-lining, but in reality-land I'd call it something else."

Any one of these incidents and comments would dominate the news cycle if they came from the Obama campaign. Yet McCain barely gets a mention. The press like to see themselves as political referees - neutral observers that call them like they see em'. But they want this to be a horse race and so all the calls right now are going one way. How else can you explain the furor last week over the Obama "refine" comment - which represented zero change in Obama's position on Iraq - and the "swift boat" mania over Wesley Clark's uncontroversial comments (psss... by the way McCain exploits his POW experience in just about every ad - yet he says he doesn't like to talk about it).

This Sunday expect the ten incidents above to get short shrift from pundit after pundit, because after all Jesse Jackson said he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off.



sky of mind
freegin double post


Good stuff, but not that good.
Jack
QUOTE (tommytoons @ Thursday, 10 July 2008, 6:41 pm) *
thumbup.gif By George Jack, I think you really are onto something, your posts prove to me that McCain and the rest of his staff have deluded themselves that the reality they see is not the reality we have. Scary isn't it too think that this man can look at the country and still think its the same world that you and I see.

It goes beyond the fact they are Neo-Conservatives and we are liberals...there is a total disconnect to the world! Great Post, Keep it up!! Thanks Jack! clap.gif


Sure thing cool.gif
tommytoons
dry.gif Don't you just love watching these folks twist themselves in the wind!!!!! thumbup.gif Good Post again Jack!!!
Jack
Here is a strong indication that #2 is starting to occur.

McCain Plans To Start Campaigning In.....Arizona
Jack
More evidence that mccain is starting to lose traditional republican strongholds to obama.

South Dakota=McCain +4, North Dakota Tied, Montana=Obama +5
Jack
QUOTE (Jack @ Tuesday, 15 July 2008, 9:36 am) *
More evidence that mccain is starting to lose traditional republican strongholds to obama.

South Dakota=McCain +4, North Dakota Tied, Montana=Obama +5


Still more.

Look Out Nebraska! McCain Is Coming To Your State!

But thats not all

North Carolina: Statistical Tie
Jack
I am starting to see some real desperation out of the mccain campaign. I think by September, they will just want this thing to end.

McCain Releases Second Attack Ad in Less Than A Week. This One Blames Obama for High Gas Prices.
sky of mind
Also keep in mind that every aspect of Obama's over seas tour,
everything from McCain taunting and challenging him to go, to Maliki's endorsement has been a complete disaster for McCain, and a complete success story for Obama, and the tour is far from over yet!

McCain must hate to read the news.
Jack
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Monday, 21 July 2008, 10:04 am) *
Also keep in mind that every aspect of Obama's over seas tour,
everything from McCain taunting and challenging him to go, to Maliki's endorsement has been a complete disaster for McCain, and a complete success story for Obama, and the tour is far from over yet!

McCain must hate to read the news.


And perhaps the polls are starting to pick this up. Also keep in mind, Gallup over samples republicans and under samples democrats, so Obama's lead is probably much larger than what they are saying.

Obama's Lead In Gallup Poll Nears All Time High at 6 Points. McCain at Lowest Point Ever in Daily Tracking Poll.
Jack
Sky, it looks like this "iraq agrees with obama" story might seal the deal. The media has been running it heavily for the past three days. It has been the headline on Yahoo news since early saturday. There isn't going to be a person in this country that isn't going to know about this, which might spell the end of McCain's slim hopes of winning this election on "obama doesn't understand iraq" platform.

I'm feeling pretty good about this. thumbup.gif


High Profile Iraqi Government Officials Continue To Endorse Obama's Plan For Withdrawl, For Third Straight Day.
sky of mind
Two stories off this mornings Yahoo news page

First, off the top, and with a picture.......


Obama Polishes Foreign-Policy Credentials in Mideast
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080722...rwcCIAjckas0NUE


And then later......

McCain gaffes pile up; critics pile on
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080722/..._GsSzkQo1Ss0NUE
Jack
Oh boy, we got a bunch of news to speak of on this front. It appears that Obama's trip has put a lot of pressure on McCain and it appears he is beginning to crack.

First, evidence of money problems are beginning to come out, as well as, ineffective strategy.

McCain Blows His Load on Attack Ads in 11 States, Loses Ground In All But One



Of course, we have a good old fashioned McCain gaffe.

McCain Screws Up Time Line of "His" Surge



And since McCain is a republican, we of course have a disgusting attack born from desperation.


McCain Attacks Obama For Not Caring About Genocide After Obama's Trip To Holocaust Memorial



Obviously, we have McCain losing ground in key states and some he probably never thought were going to be competitive.

Obama Takes The Lead in Florida

Obama Maintains Lead in Former Red State of Colorado

Obama Takes Lead in Virginia



More signs of desperation

McCain Accuses Obama Of Wanting US to Lose in Iraq So He Can Get Elected

McCain Releases Third Attack Ad In Less Than A Week


Looks like a very interesting story is brewing. Some think it is because McCain can't stop f*cking up, some think he is sick, who knows?

McCain Cancels All Press Conferences and Appearances With the National Media For the Next Week
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