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I keep hearing about these pissed off clinton supporters who will never vote for obama and are going to back McCain so clinton can run again in 2012 or whatever. However, looking at the polls where obama is always 5 or 6 points ahead of mccain, it makes me wonder how many of these people there really are. My guess is that they are just a small group numbering only in the thousands, probably either spread out across the county where they would make no difference or live in states that obama would never win.
There seems to be a wide variance in Obama vs McCaiin polls right now, and I think many show Clinton doing much better. As far as Clinton supporters voting for McCain, one poll shows as many as 25%. I'll see if I can find a link.
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http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/200.../pew/index.html
By Alex Koppelman
Monday, March 3, 2008 19:06 EST
Quarter of Clinton supporters would vote McCain over Obama
Interesting result from a recent survey conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press: If their favored candidate is not the Democratic nominee, a quarter of Hillary Clinton's primary supporters would defect and vote for John McCain in November, while only 10 percent of Barack Obama's supporters would do the same.
This discrepancy seems to be explained by Pew's demographic breakdown of the potential defectors, as the groups most likely to jump are also Clinton's bases of support: "One-in-five white Democrats (20%) say that they will vote for McCain over Obama, double the percentage who say they would switch sides in a Clinton-McCain matchup (10%). Roughly the same number of Democrats age 65 and older say they will vote for McCain if Obama is the party's choice (22%). Obama also suffers more defections among lower income and less educated Democratic voters than does Clinton."
Here's another interesting thing -- the Clinton campaign is promoting this stat, both in an e-mail from spokesman Phil Singer and in an item on its "Delegate Hub" Web site
By Alex Koppelman
Monday, March 3, 2008 19:06 EST
Quarter of Clinton supporters would vote McCain over Obama
Interesting result from a recent survey conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press: If their favored candidate is not the Democratic nominee, a quarter of Hillary Clinton's primary supporters would defect and vote for John McCain in November, while only 10 percent of Barack Obama's supporters would do the same.
This discrepancy seems to be explained by Pew's demographic breakdown of the potential defectors, as the groups most likely to jump are also Clinton's bases of support: "One-in-five white Democrats (20%) say that they will vote for McCain over Obama, double the percentage who say they would switch sides in a Clinton-McCain matchup (10%). Roughly the same number of Democrats age 65 and older say they will vote for McCain if Obama is the party's choice (22%). Obama also suffers more defections among lower income and less educated Democratic voters than does Clinton."
Here's another interesting thing -- the Clinton campaign is promoting this stat, both in an e-mail from spokesman Phil Singer and in an item on its "Delegate Hub" Web site
but sooner, that link is from three months ago. I'm not sure how relevant it is now.
Besides, mccain never polls above about 45% and that has to be with the pissed off clinton supporters. In fact, in the gallup daily tracking poll, which started nearly two months ago, mccain only had three days above 45% and since they are rolling averages, it was probably due to just one day of strong polling. Obama polls around 50%, so it make me think there are either not a lot of pro-mccain clintonites or there are way more fed up republicans.
Besides, mccain never polls above about 45% and that has to be with the pissed off clinton supporters. In fact, in the gallup daily tracking poll, which started nearly two months ago, mccain only had three days above 45% and since they are rolling averages, it was probably due to just one day of strong polling. Obama polls around 50%, so it make me think there are either not a lot of pro-mccain clintonites or there are way more fed up republicans.
I believe the media focuses on what is sensational which helps grab attention and sells the news. (a for profit industry)
I also believe the MSM is the left hand of the Neo conservative agenda of the Republican party, which still controls the Republican party, and as such, anti-Obama stories will be encouraged.
I also believe the MSM is the left hand of the Neo conservative agenda of the Republican party, which still controls the Republican party, and as such, anti-Obama stories will be encouraged.
Long way to the election, and I think enough people will come around to see Obama as a massively preferable option to McCain.
QUOTE (Libertas @ Sunday, 8 June 2008, 10:50 am) 
Long way to the election, and I think enough people will come around to see Obama as a massively preferable option to McCain.
I absolutely agree. Both sides fought the primaries to win. One side won, and the other side will mostly get over it.
Clinton in one way or the other will assist Obama, and he will win most of the Hillary clan over. Look at how he has dealt with every single moment of controversy. I don't expect this ability of his to magically end or dissolve.
QUOTE (Jack @ Sunday, 8 June 2008, 11:04 am)
but sooner, that link is from three months ago. I'm not sure how relevant it is now.
Oops
I see your point. Never mind. My mistake.
What we're up against. From POAC Headlines:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/0....hillaryclinton
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/0....hillaryclinton
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Johnny Telvor was not happy about Barack Obama becoming the Democratic presidential nominee. Not happy at all.
Standing outside the sturdy courthouse in the sweltering heat of a West Virginia afternoon in the small town of Williamson, Telvor smoked a cigarette and bluntly gave his opinion of Obama's historic mission to be America's first black president.
'We'll end up slaves. We'll be made slaves just like they was once slaves,' he said. Telvor, a white Democrat who supported Hillary Clinton in West Virginia's primary, said he planned to vote for Republican John McCain in November. 'At least he's an American,' he added with a disarmingly friendly smile.
Standing outside the sturdy courthouse in the sweltering heat of a West Virginia afternoon in the small town of Williamson, Telvor smoked a cigarette and bluntly gave his opinion of Obama's historic mission to be America's first black president.
'We'll end up slaves. We'll be made slaves just like they was once slaves,' he said. Telvor, a white Democrat who supported Hillary Clinton in West Virginia's primary, said he planned to vote for Republican John McCain in November. 'At least he's an American,' he added with a disarmingly friendly smile.
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The sheer scale of Clinton's win in West Virginia - repeated from Pennsylvania to Georgia - took many pundits by surprise. But it did not shock people in Williamson, Jack Spence among them. The elderly retiree, enjoying the hot weather on a street bench, said he voted for Clinton and, now she has lost, he plans to sit out the November election. 'I can't vote for a Republican. My daddy would just roll over in his grave,' he said. But nor can he bring himself to vote for Obama, though he insisted it was not because of race. 'That does not matter to me. Though it might to a lot of folks around here,' he said.
Was there anything Obama could say during the coming campaign to convince him? 'Nope,' Spence replied. Then he broached the one issue many Americans consider off-limits: the potential security threat to Obama. 'Look, someone will kill him. Whoever Obama picks as running mate will end up being president.' Spence's ready smile and chatty manner on the thorny issue of Obama's possible murder gave little clue as to whether he thought it would be a bad thing or not.
Was there anything Obama could say during the coming campaign to convince him? 'Nope,' Spence replied. Then he broached the one issue many Americans consider off-limits: the potential security threat to Obama. 'Look, someone will kill him. Whoever Obama picks as running mate will end up being president.' Spence's ready smile and chatty manner on the thorny issue of Obama's possible murder gave little clue as to whether he thought it would be a bad thing or not.
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Stanley Little laughed when asked if he could support Obama. 'I will vote for McCain,' he said. Little, a maintenance man for local offices, had one simple reason why he too was rejecting his long family history of voting Democrat. 'McCain is one of us. Obama ain't,' he said, leaving little doubt as to who he meant by 'us'
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The difficult truth is that Appalachia is unusual mostly because many people here are willing to openly talk about what some of their fellow citizens are secretly thinking. In exit polls of the recent primaries in Kentucky and West Virginia, one in five Democrats confessed to pollsters that race was a factor in their voting choice. 'West Virginia and Kentucky were just more honest than other parts of the country.
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This is the America where outrageous rumours that Obama is a Muslim are readily believed. It is the America where Telvor is able to voice a sentiment that 'Obama might actually be the antichrist' without apparent irony or fear of contradiction. It is a slice of America trapped in the dreadful history of race relations and the legacy of slavery and segregation
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This here ignurt soul jus happens to be a very vocal minority.
Please keep in mind that Obama very easily won states that have exceptionally small black minorites.
States like Wyoming and Montana. So the whole racism argument is pretty stupid.
Even so, I have absolutely no doubt what so ever that this very vocal minority will become increasingly loud and stupid in the coming months, which I personally see as a good thing. The more they spout off, the more the rest of the country will want to be not like that! I mean, they'll still be racist, but they won't wanna be stupid racists and vote for McSame!
Please keep in mind that Obama very easily won states that have exceptionally small black minorites.
States like Wyoming and Montana. So the whole racism argument is pretty stupid.
Even so, I have absolutely no doubt what so ever that this very vocal minority will become increasingly loud and stupid in the coming months, which I personally see as a good thing. The more they spout off, the more the rest of the country will want to be not like that! I mean, they'll still be racist, but they won't wanna be stupid racists and vote for McSame!
I saw a new poll that said 60% of clinton supporters will back obama unconditionally, with only 12% supporting McCain. I believe the number was once 40% willing to support obama. The rest say they will stay home, which probably won't actually happen.
On MsNBC, Chuck Todd and Howard Fineman predicted that about 6 in 7 clinton supporters will end up voting for obama. Which would mean that about 6% of the democratic party would stay home and vote mccain. However, they would probably be easily offset by independents, republicans, and first time voters going to obama.
And a bit of good news from the polls out today. Several show Obama surging with mccain losing quite a bit of support compared to last week. At this time last week, Gallup had McCain leading obama 46% to 45%. Obama now leads McCain 48% to 42%, with several other polls confirming these numbers. This could mean that the anti-obama clinton supporters are coming to their senses.
On MsNBC, Chuck Todd and Howard Fineman predicted that about 6 in 7 clinton supporters will end up voting for obama. Which would mean that about 6% of the democratic party would stay home and vote mccain. However, they would probably be easily offset by independents, republicans, and first time voters going to obama.
And a bit of good news from the polls out today. Several show Obama surging with mccain losing quite a bit of support compared to last week. At this time last week, Gallup had McCain leading obama 46% to 45%. Obama now leads McCain 48% to 42%, with several other polls confirming these numbers. This could mean that the anti-obama clinton supporters are coming to their senses.
QUOTE (Jack @ Monday, 9 June 2008, 1:59 pm)
I saw a new poll that said 60% of clinton supporters will back obama unconditionally, with only 12% supporting McCain. I believe the number was once 40% willing to support obama. The rest say they will stay home, which probably won't actually happen.
Many of that 6% will eventually see the light once they aren't constantly bombarded by the Hill campaign.
They'll be able to see and hear the Obama that beat their politically savvy dynasty matriarch.
I've yet to be convinced that Clinton's campaign was kept alive over the past two months by anything but repubs voting for Hillary to disrupt Obama and the toothless racists that exist in the party.
As for McSame... what "DEMOCRAT", in their right mind would vote for him given his support for the failed policies of the Bush administration? I can see broken-hearted Clinton supporters staying home... but for the rest of these wolves in Democratic clothes... I don't see a problem.
Furthermore... unless McSame suddenly develops a "presence" and a couple elementary oratorical skills - he will be further dead in the water... he presents himself as bad as a sweaty Nixon. Then with the albatross of the Bush administration around his neck... I really will lose ANY remaining faith in the American people if he gets elected.
As for McSame... what "DEMOCRAT", in their right mind would vote for him given his support for the failed policies of the Bush administration? I can see broken-hearted Clinton supporters staying home... but for the rest of these wolves in Democratic clothes... I don't see a problem.
Furthermore... unless McSame suddenly develops a "presence" and a couple elementary oratorical skills - he will be further dead in the water... he presents himself as bad as a sweaty Nixon. Then with the albatross of the Bush administration around his neck... I really will lose ANY remaining faith in the American people if he gets elected.
QUOTE (Jimjayhawk @ Monday, 9 June 2008, 10:04 pm)
I really will lose ANY remaining faith in the American people if he gets elected.
I've said that since 2004, and meant it. From 2000 - 2004, I figured this was just what the country needed to wake them up. They slumber on to this day.
I have Hope, but not Faith.
QUOTE (Jimjayhawk @ Monday, 9 June 2008, 9:04 pm)
I've yet to be convinced that Clinton's campaign was kept alive over the past two months by anything but repubs voting for Hillary to disrupt Obama and the toothless racists that exist in the party.
As for McSame... what "DEMOCRAT", in their right mind would vote for him given his support for the failed policies of the Bush administration? I can see broken-hearted Clinton supporters staying home... but for the rest of these wolves in Democratic clothes... I don't see a problem.
Furthermore... unless McSame suddenly develops a "presence" and a couple elementary oratorical skills - he will be further dead in the water... he presents himself as bad as a sweaty Nixon. Then with the albatross of the Bush administration around his neck... I really will lose ANY remaining faith in the American people if he gets elected.
As for McSame... what "DEMOCRAT", in their right mind would vote for him given his support for the failed policies of the Bush administration? I can see broken-hearted Clinton supporters staying home... but for the rest of these wolves in Democratic clothes... I don't see a problem.
Furthermore... unless McSame suddenly develops a "presence" and a couple elementary oratorical skills - he will be further dead in the water... he presents himself as bad as a sweaty Nixon. Then with the albatross of the Bush administration around his neck... I really will lose ANY remaining faith in the American people if he gets elected.
Indeed, I believe that with Hillary out, now we'll find out just how racist this country really is!
QUOTE (Jimjayhawk @ Monday, 9 June 2008, 10:04 pm)
I've yet to be convinced that Clinton's campaign was kept alive over the past two months by anything but repubs voting for Hillary to disrupt Obama and the toothless racists that exist in the party.
As for McSame... what "DEMOCRAT", in their right mind would vote for him given his support for the failed policies of the Bush administration? I can see broken-hearted Clinton supporters staying home... but for the rest of these wolves in Democratic clothes... I don't see a problem.
Furthermore... unless McSame suddenly develops a "presence" and a couple elementary oratorical skills - he will be further dead in the water... he presents himself as bad as a sweaty Nixon. Then with the albatross of the Bush administration around his neck... I really will lose ANY remaining faith in the American people if he gets elected.
As for McSame... what "DEMOCRAT", in their right mind would vote for him given his support for the failed policies of the Bush administration? I can see broken-hearted Clinton supporters staying home... but for the rest of these wolves in Democratic clothes... I don't see a problem.
Furthermore... unless McSame suddenly develops a "presence" and a couple elementary oratorical skills - he will be further dead in the water... he presents himself as bad as a sweaty Nixon. Then with the albatross of the Bush administration around his neck... I really will lose ANY remaining faith in the American people if he gets elected.
I agree with you and don"t forget one issue that I think needs to be looked at more closely is "Operation Chaos" that was started by that arse Rush L. I think alot of folks crossed over to the Democratic side during the primaries for the Democratic Party just to try to stop Obama from being the candidate. I really feel that the republicans wanted to go against Hillary and not Obama! I see Karl Rove's slimy hands in the operation chaos!
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