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Jack
I kind of like the idea of chuck hagel. The whole unity ticket idea is appealing and right on with obama's message of post-partisanism.
Spud Demon
QUOTE (Jack @ Saturday, 31 May 2008, 12:58 am) *
I kind of like the idea of chuck hagel. The whole unity ticket idea is appealing and right on with obama's message of post-partisanism.

2 problems with Hagel:

1. The largest election he's ever won was Senator from Nebraska, which involves much fewer votes than NY or IL.

2. His record on abortion and health care is pretty much the opposite of what Obama wants to do.
seuss
Ted Strickland or Janet Napolitano.
I picked Richardson, because he's the best, in my opinion, from the list.
Libertas
Hagel is a disaster for domestic issues, which is largely what this campaign is about. Apart from his war position and attitude toward Bush, he is firmly on the ideological right on education, health care, abortion, the economy, etc.

Much as I hate to say it, for the sake of unity, I almost lean toward offering Hillary the VP slot... plus, it would be a great way to expose her for what she is if she turns it down.
sky of mind
OK, why did you leave off the Governor of Montana?
He's clearly on the "A" list.
Jack
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 31 May 2008, 8:35 pm) *
OK, why did you leave off the Governor of Montana?
He's clearly on the "A" list.


Ran out of room. There are a lot of "A list" democratic VP choices. It is always a good when you have too many great candidates.

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almost lean toward offering Hillary the VP slot


What is strange is that i have softened slightly on this issue, despite the fact i feel her campaign is being more unreasonable than ever. A month ago i would have said "no f*cking way. Never in a million years is that something i could support." I am still no where near saying that it is a good idea but if she drops out next week, encourages her delegates to support obama, refuses to take the fight to the convention, tells her supporters to get behind obama, shows regret for using divisive campaigning, shows that she does not condone the radical views that some of her supports have (i sometimes find it hard to believe that she supports the scorched earth tactics of Ickes and McAuliffe), makes a totally sincere effort to help obama win the presidency, then i could tolerate her on the ticket. I would still think it was a bad idea and that there are better candidates but if it happened, i wouldn't make a fuss about it.

With that said, i highly doubt she will do any of that and i highly doubt she will be the VP candidate. I don't even think she wants it, to be honest.
seuss
QUOTE (Jack @ Saturday, 31 May 2008, 11:58 pm) *
Ran out of room. There are a lot of "A list" democratic VP choices. It is always a good when you have too many great candidates.



What is strange is that i have softened slightly on this issue, despite the fact i feel her campaign is being more unreasonable than ever. A month ago i would have said "no f*cking way. Never in a million years is that something i could support." I am still no where near saying that it is a good idea but if she drops out next week, encourages her delegates to support obama, refuses to take the fight to the convention, tells her supporters to get behind obama, shows regret for using divisive campaigning, shows that she does not condone the radical views that some of her supports have (i sometimes find it hard to believe that she supports the scorched earth tactics of Ickes and McAuliffe), makes a totally sincere effort to help obama win the presidency, then i could tolerate her on the ticket. I would still think it was a bad idea and that there are better candidates but if it happened, i wouldn't make a fuss about it.

With that said, i highly doubt she will do any of that and i highly doubt she will be the VP candidate. I don't even think she wants it, to be honest.

She didn't have much of a choice about the highlighted portions (why isn't it "highlit"?), and the committee tried to show her that on Saturday. That's why Pelosi and Reid came out at the end of the week - to make sure the committee smacked down some of the "conspiracy" rhetoric, and give the campaign a gut-check. She'll begrudgingly support obama, but It will happen slowly, and she'd turn down the VP slot, because she wants the "Itold you so" candidacy in 2012, and considering the accumulation of manure surrounding the presidency, that Obama might not be able to turn it around in four years.


To sky - I think the Montana Governor will be overlooked due to a lack of recognition, and a lack of delegates from the state. It's also only a possible swing state, not on of the main battleground states, like Ohio. What's his name anyway?

edit to add: Brian Scwietzer... He looks like he'd make a damn good choice. In montana, do you choose the lieutenatnt governor by picking the governor in the election, or is the position elected differently than the president?
sky of mind
QUOTE (seuss @ Sunday, 1 June 2008, 6:49 am) *
To sky - I think the Montana Governor will be overlooked due to a lack of recognition, and a lack of delegates from the state. It's also only a possible swing state, not on of the main battleground states, like Ohio. What's his name anyway?

edit to add: Brian Scwietzer... He looks like he'd make a damn good choice. In montana, do you choose the lieutenatnt governor by picking the governor in the election, or is the position elected differently than the president?




remember that a year ago most of us didn't know much about Obama, if we knew anything at all!
Schweitzer is a good choice for 2 reasons, 1] he's good at reaching across the isle, something Obama wants and needs.
2] because he's a political unknown, he comes into the white house with zero political expectations, and therefor can create his own background image suitable to the Obama administration!




edit to add....


3] He comes from a politically small, country state. he would apeal to every small town and country person in the country, thus working to bring Red states into the Blue. The man by profession is a rancher. Not a lawyer, not a politician, not a wealthy big business ceo, not a beltway insider, and not a lobbyist.
Eric Salinger
The only way I would vote for Obama is if he picks Joe Biden to be his running mate. Biden was the only educated person in the entire race.

sky of mind
QUOTE (Eric Salinger @ Saturday, 21 June 2008, 9:02 am) *
The only way I would vote for Obama is if he picks Joe Biden to be his running mate. Biden was the only educated person in the entire race.




So, instead you would vote for?????
Of the two candidates that could possibly win, which one is more desirable than Obama?
Not voting out of protest helps who?
Eric Salinger
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 21 June 2008, 10:08 am) *
So, instead you would vote for?????
Of the two candidates that could possibly win, which one is more desirable than Obama?
Not voting out of protest helps who?


I have thought about voting for Ralph Nader. I realize this is unpopular within the Democratic community, but I am not a strict party voter. I vote for the person who shares my principals, and Obama is not that person. I was a Joe Biden supporter from the get-go, but since he’s dropped out, I’ve had to do a lot of thinking…

sky of mind
QUOTE (Eric Salinger @ Saturday, 21 June 2008, 9:14 am) *
I have thought about voting for Ralph Nader. I realize this is unpopular within the Democratic community, but I am not a strict party voter. I vote for the person who shares my principals, and Obama is not that person. I was a Joe Biden supporter from the get-go, but since he’s dropped out, I’ve had to do a lot of thinking…



Vote for Ralph = Protest Vote simply because you know he can't win.
I also asked if you could explain how your protest vote would be helpful?
I did specify that the contest was among those who could win?
And even if he were, he's older than McCain!

Do you wish Ron Paul were still in the race?

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tommytoons
I also liked Janet N. from Arizona, but since she was not on the list I went with Jim Webb. He's a "new Democrat", would help with the Southern vote and possibly carry Virginia. Also, I like the fact he's seen as an attack dog, which I think would be good for the debates this coming fall. We need an attack dog I think to counter some of the lies the GOP will attempt in the campaign! rolleyes.gif
seuss
QUOTE (Eric Salinger @ Saturday, 21 June 2008, 11:02 am) *
The only way I would vote for Obama is if he picks Joe Biden to be his running mate. Biden was the only educated person in the entire race.

what are the differences in policy between Biden and Obama? Not expirience, not education, just policy proposals.
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