Now that the PNAC is long dead and gone, and the original web site can't even be accessed, do you think TJ's news site, the Project for the OLD American Century should change it's name?

With the PNAC long out of business, I think increasingly people will forget what the POAC name is all about, and it might even lose some relevancy. Granted, POAC is what everybody knows and is recognized accordingly. Still, there is no PNAC, and in a few years history will move past that moment in time.



So, what's your opinion on this. Should the name be changed, or should it stay as is?
And if you think it might be better served to change, got any ideas about a new name?




BTW, one good reason, IMO, to keep the POAC name, is because I believe the PNAC represents the beginning of the end of the Conservative Neo-con movement, and the rebound of Progressive Liberalism.

Why would changing the name be worthwhile? What would you call it? Where did you come up with this idea?
No, I don't think it's a good idea... especially now when the admin is a "bit" busy - think of all the extra work!
Just because the PNAC would like the rest of the world to forget about it, doesn't mean we should help them along those lines. In fact, I think it would be next to treasonous to to change it. Aiding and abetting the enemy is something I frown upon - and I doubt I'm alone on this. The website may be gone, but the ideology is still strong in those who created it, and their underlings - sh*t! look what its done to mccain since 2000! No, "my friends" the PNAC is alive and well and living in DC.

I think keep it as it is, but make sure that the PNAC, it's members, their policies, etc, ect, are prominently featured on the main page... least they forget.
The PNAC members still wield enormous power, and are still as dangerous as ever.
NO-one should forget what they are about just because they would prefer it that way.


POAC should stand strong and bold in the face of PNACs attempt to disappear into obscurity!

The PNAC doesn't exist and in a few years only political historians will know what the PNAC was.
Yes, the neo-con are still around, but they've changed their name. Should the site keep up with them?


I didn't post my personal opinion on this quite deliberately. Also, the decision to do so or not isn't mine, I'm ONLY creating a point of conversation/discussion.

He's really gonna think I'm a blasphemer now, but I really am fond of the POAC name. Thing is, its purpose I think is to inform people about the PNAC, something that still needs doin'. However, before the name Project for the Old American Century would mean anything at all to someone, they'd almost already have to be aware that there is, or was, something called the Project for the New American Century, so some people aren't drawn to it because they don't recognize it as a liberal organization by its name. I found it quite by accident and my first impression was that it might be a magazine about late nineteenth century Americana.

Very good point.

Suppose for a moment that somebody Googled something political, say, McCain, and the search turned up a hit on the Project for the Old American Century. What might the Google searcher think? What did Sooner think? And if they did think it, would they be inclined to click it, if they were looking for info in McCain? Or would they be more inclided to click the Hit that came from "Raw Story"?

Plenty of ways around that, Sky.

such as?

There's still a lot of PNAC damage to undo. Several members of the SCOTUS are considered "Originalists" or "Literalists" even though they see fit to completely ignore power-limiting parts of the Consitution (commerce clause) when it doesn't suit them, and pretend others don't exist at all (9th amendment, which they like to call "legislating from the bench").

We've got a huge war debt, and our economy continues to run on ever more expensive gasoline. Congress has passed ex-post-facto legislation which pardons the communications companies for any crimes or torts involving spying for the Bush administration.

Sky, if your brightest hopes for 2008 come true with the election of Obama and dozens of Congressmen on his coattails, that will lead to fixing of maybe 10% of the PNAC damage. Let's not lose focus before the job's done. The PNAC website was small potatoes. The demise of the site doesn't even mean that PNAC won't publish more papers; it just means they probably won't be shared with the general public.

Needless to say, I'm against a name change. Although this site already does have 2 pretty cool names, there might be room for a third.

Much of the damage will never be undone. It's like a secret. Once hearing it, it can't be unheard.
Things like, loss of personal privacy. This will never ever again be what it was 20 or 30 years ago, or even 8 years ago.


However, that's not what this thread is about. The question was, is the title of TJ's website still relevant?
Will the average American have any idea what the POAC name is about and where it came from?
With the demise of the original PNAC, or it's morfing to something else, should this site and it's name keep up with them to remain relevant? It was difficult to get people to understand what the PNAC was when it existed, now that it's history, that gets very problematic.