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sky of mind
I own a copy of this movie. Excellent stuff. I suggest everyone who that values critical thinking to view it.
Except, to the religious is a hard pill to swallow.

In the name of transparency and being up front, the name of the movie is
"The God Who Wasn't There."
A movie that asks some very good questions and makes a few very pointed statements.
seuss
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 11:27 am) *
I own a copy of this movie. Excellent stuff. I suggest everyone who that values critical thinking to view it.
Except, to the religious is a hard pill to swallow.

In the name of transparency and being up front, the name of the movie is
"The God Who Wasn't There."
A movie that asks some very good questions and makes a few very pointed statements.


You must be confused...
maybe it's similar, but it's called "the thunderbolts of the gods", and it's far from an anti - religious documentary. If anything, it equates current gravity driven scientific theory to myth, as it outlines new readings into the linked myths of ancient peoples and their limited ability to communicate the phenomena they saw in their day. It shows in graphic detail that the universe is driven by electricity, rather than gravity, and explains why the gravitational model doesn't come up with answers to the questions of black holes, matter bending space, the darkness of sunspots, and the understanding that ancient cultures had before the blinders of scientific precedent blinded us to innovative and explorative thought about our place in the cosmos.
sky of mind
OK, my bad. I didn't watch the movie, just the first part which looks almost exactly the same as "No God"
(I'm sure there's a royalty claim there somewhere)
seuss
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 12:15 pm) *
OK, my bad. I didn't watch the movie, just the first part which looks almost exactly the same as "No God"
(I'm sure there's a royalty claim there somewhere)

I didn't mean any offense, I hope there's none taken.
It's worth a look.
They Give props to einstien for knowing his theory of relativity and universal model was not conclusive. for political correctness' sake, I doubt this will come into universal understanding until Hawking dies, as it pretty much destroys everything he's ever postulated.
sky of mind
QUOTE (seuss @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 10:20 am) *
I didn't mean any offense, I hope there's none taken.
It's worth a look.
They Give props to einstien for knowing his theory of relativity and universal model was not conclusive. for political correctness' sake, I doubt this will come into universal understanding until Hawking dies, as it pretty much destroys everything he's ever postulated.





I strongly suspect that this movie was produced by Christian sources as a counter to "no God".
The fact that clear through it looks so similer, in fact it's amost an exact copy to the other, certainly is no accident.
seuss
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 1:28 pm) *
I strongly suspect that this movie was produced by Christian sources as a counter to "no God".
The fact that clear through it looks so similer, in fact it's amost an exact copy to the other, certainly is no accident.


I would suggest you watch it before you spew more off-the-cuff comments. It has nothing to do with god, although, if you see the scientific field as one that mirrors religion's dogma, then it can be seen that way, allegorically. The entire film is one that tries to crush the concepts that have been accepted as fact since einstien, even though he didn't see them as fact, and said as much. He worked for the rest of his life to tie up his own loose ends. This doc. is an attempt to provide for astrophysicists, and those that understand the basic accepted pretexts that have been absorbed up through the last few years, with a diagram to tie their own shoes. It has nothing to do with a pretext of god, unless one doesn't believe in an interventionist one (thanks, Nick Cave.)
sky of mind
QUOTE (seuss @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 10:37 am) *
I would suggest you watch it before you spew more off-the-cuff comments. It has nothing to do with god, although, if you see the scientific field as one that mirrors religion's dogma, then it can be seen that way, allegorically. The entire film is one that tries to crush the concepts that have been accepted as fact since einstien, even though he didn't see them as fact, and said as much. He worked for the rest of his life to tie up his own loose ends. This doc. is an attempt to provide for astrophysicists, and those that understand the basic accepted pretexts that have been absorbed up through the last few years, with a diagram to tie their own shoes. It has nothing to do with a pretext of god, unless one doesn't believe in an interventionist one (thanks, Nick Cave.)



You haven't seen "What if there was no God" yet either.
No, I didn't sit for more than an hour to watch this movie. I have other irons in the fire and don't have the time.
I did however hop and skip through the movie watching short segments, and every time I saw the similarities.
Similarities that start right at the very beginning.

I'm not trying to give you personally hard time about this post Seuss.
I will however state what I see and what I think, and if that offends you, so be it!
seuss
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 2:00 pm) *
You haven't seen "What if there was no God" yet either.
No, I didn't sit for more than an hour to watch this movie. I have other irons in the fire and don't have the time.
I did however hop and skip through the movie watching short segments, and every time I saw the similarities.
Similarities that start right at the very beginning.

I'm not trying to give you personally hard time about this post Seuss.
I will however state what I see and what I think, and if that offends you, so be it!

I just don't see how it's possible to construe this documentary as one that was a religious answer to anything, Much less to a piece that has shifted titles within this post from "The God who Wasn't There" to "No God" to "What if there was No God."

Watch the damn thing, or be quiet.
It might just open your eyes to new possibilities.
Seriously, do you take me as a bible-thumper?

I wasn't trying to be offensive, but now I'm getting defensive...
sky of mind
QUOTE (seuss @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 11:15 am) *
I just don't see how it's possible to construe this documentary as one that was a religious answer to anything, Much less to a piece that has shifted titles within this post from "The God who Wasn't There" to "No God" to "What if there was No God."

Watch the damn thing, or be quiet.
It might just open your eyes to new possibilities.
Seriously, do you take me as a bible-thumper?

I wasn't trying to be offensive, but now I'm getting defensive...




I said I suspect it, because that's what it looks like.
I never accused you personally of anything. Please copy paste if this is not true.
I posted because I saw distinct similarities, similarities I consider just to much of a koinkidink, OK?


Seuss, are you my mother? Why don't YOU be quiet for a change?
In the mean time, in your quiet moment, why don't you watch the movie I'm talking about and be informed your own self?


sheesh, lighten up already!
happymisanthropy
I prefer the "dark-suck" hypothesis: Bright objects don't create light, they suck up the dark.
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