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Jack
Have any of you ever had Absinthe? It is legal for the first time in the US and brother and i got some tonight. It is a very strange kind of drunk. I had one shot and with in five minutes i was already feeling it. After two i fell like i am high, not drunk. It was only $24. Crazy sh*t. If you are looking to get wasted tonight, that might be the way to go.
Jack
I'm sorry, i missed counted. I felt high after one shot. I have had one and half and feel like i have been drinking and smoking weed all night. This after 20 minutes.
sky of mind
QUOTE (Jack @ Friday, 9 May 2008, 6:39 pm) *
I'm sorry, i missed counted. I felt high after one shot. I have had one and half and feel like i have been drinking and smoking weed all night. This after 20 minutes.



So, after 3 shots I probly shouldn't go ride the motorcycle in the city?
Jack
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Friday, 9 May 2008, 7:00 pm) *
So, after 3 shots I probly shouldn't go ride the motorcycle in the city?


I think you would be perfectly happy sitting on your couch. It is a very relaxing feeling when drinking this stuff. I guess it has painkiller and muscle relaxant properties.
Rousseau
I guess we can anticipate some impressionist art or some lucid poetry coming from you soon, Jack. thumbup.gif

I once drank some real Mekong, a Thai whiskey which I'm possibly better off NOT knowing what was in it, and had some crazy tripping-out on that, razor sharp lucidity, but some bugger had stolen my body.
Sitting comfortably with some excellent music was not JUST an option...
seuss
I posted about how excited I was that it was re-legalized last july or august.
since then, I've had the pleasure of expiriencing a number of varieties. My favorite was a red Moldovan variety. I've had it straight as you seem to have tried it, but the most flavorful and effecting preperation is described below:


http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=4964

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'All that we see and seem, is but a dream, within a dream.' --E.A. Poe

This weekend I was in Rochester, NY visiting a few of my friends for the weekend to go clubbing and just have some fun. We were going to a club called the piranah around midnight, but decided to make an appearance at a party that our friend we were staying with had been invited to.

When we arrived at the party, the hostess offered us a drink, she said 'We have, White Wine, Some different kinds of Beer, and we have Absinthe.' I just grinned, I had wanted to try absinthe for a very long time, and here was a girl just serving it at a party...

Watching her prepare the drink was probably half the fun, she poured about half a goblet full of the 'green godess' and then pour a tablespoon of sugar and dip the spoon into the absinthe, soaking the sugar, she then set fire to the spoonfull of sugar/absinthe, and as it melted she poured it into the absinthe, she then mixed ice water in to fill the rest of the glass and put the fire out. The drink turned from green/yellow to a minty greenish white. And it smelled like Black Liquorice or Good n Plenty.

That first small mouthful filled my mouth with a very strong, but not at all unpleasant taste and warmth, and when I swallowed, I felt it's warmth flow through me. Over the next 20 minutes, I drank from the glass, enjoying the flavor, and not rushing, and making conversation with the people at the party.

When we left to go to the club at about midnight, I was feeling very uplifted and warm and music was having some mild auditory hallucinations, music was just sounding so great in the car as my friend drove to the club. We walked into the club and paid, and I sat for a bit enjoying the music and the feeling from the absinthe.

At one point about a half hour after we arrived, the music was just seeming to flow through me and I couldn't sit down any longer, and I danced for about 1 1/2 hours until the club closed and we left. This is strange because I never dance, at least not very much. The music was having too much of a pull on me to resist.

I found a place that sells very powerful absinthe over the net, but it costs about 200 bucks a bottle, Dave and I are going to put together the money and buy a bottle.

I thoroughly enjoyed my night dancing with the 'green goddess'

Acid Matrix

Dream Well, There is still alot of beauty in the world.


If your picking up a bottle for yourself, and you'd rather have the lucidity than getting drunk from the high alcohol content, you're going to want to find one with a higher Thujone content (the chemical in wormwood that activates the same receptors that THC does,) as close to 100mg's/liter as you can find
Jack
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If your picking up a bottle for yourself, and you'd rather have the lucidity than getting drunk from the high alcohol content, you're going to want to find one with a higher Thujone content (the chemical in wormwood that activates the same receptors that THC does,) as close to 100mg's/liter as you can find


I will keep that in mind, however, i'm not sure i am ready to try that stuff again any time soon. It was a very strange night, that was a little more intense and a lot weirder than i am used to. Let's just say the four of us who ended up drinking the stuff had rather erratic, immature, sometimes illegal behavior for most of the night. Absinthe is not a drink for lightweights, i'll tell you that.
sky of mind
QUOTE (Jack @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 9:18 am) *
I will keep that in mind, however, i'm not sure i am ready to try that stuff again, any time soon. It was a very strange night, we can just leave it at that.




OK, now I gotta get me some.
seuss
QUOTE (Jack @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 12:18 pm) *
I will keep that in mind, however, i'm not sure i am ready to try that stuff again any time soon. It was a very strange night, that was a little more intense and a lot weirder than i am used to. Let's just say the four of us who ended up drinking the stuff had rather erratic, immature, sometimes illegal behavior for most of the night. Absinthe is not a drink for lightweights, i'll tell you that.

the key is to take it SSSSSLLLLLLLOOOOOOWWWWW. The alcohol content in most absinthe is above 60%. If you drink a lower potency Thujone absinthe, the alcohol will overwhelm the thujone activity, and the lucidity will combine dangerously with the stupor that the alcohol provides, and you'll turn into a drunken, stoned idiot, venturing toward a blackout. Bad news.

I would say the best option is to drink at most two ounces (before dilution of ice water, as explained above,) in the first hour, and one per hour after that, not to exceed a total of four ouces total. otherwise you may as well be drinking everclear and smoking crappy brick-weed.
greenimp
QUOTE (seuss @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 8:13 am) *
I posted about how excited I was that it was re-legalized last july or august.
since then, I've had the pleasure of expiriencing a number of varieties. My favorite was a red Moldovan variety. I've had it straight as you seem to have tried it, but the most flavorful and effecting preperation is described below:


http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=4964



If your picking up a bottle for yourself, and you'd rather have the lucidity than getting drunk from the high alcohol content, you're going to want to find one with a higher Thujone content (the chemical in wormwood that activates the same receptors that THC does,) as close to 100mg's/liter as you can find


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Century Absinthe 100mg thujone

Alcohol is a GABA agonist. It stimulates the production of this neurotransmitter which causes drowsiness and sleep. Thujone is a GABA antagonist. It prohibits alcohol from performing that part of it's function. Absinthe is therefore a type of 'speedball', it's chemical constituents at once promote the production of GABA and opens its receptors, while also closing those receptors off. This explains the "green fairy" effect that absinthe has, as oppossed to just normal drunkenness biggrin.gif






sky of mind
QUOTE (greenimp @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 11:11 am) *
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Century Absinthe 100mg thujone

Alcohol is a GABA agonist. It stimulates the production of this neurotransmitter which causes drowsiness and sleep. Thujone is a GABA antagonist. It prohibits alcohol from performing that part of it's function. Absinthe is therefore a type of 'speedball', it's chemical constituents at once promote the production of GABA and opens its receptors, while also closing those receptors off. This explains the "green fairy" effect that absinthe has, as oppossed to just normal drunkenness biggrin.gif




150 BUX A BOTTLE????
seuss
QUOTE (greenimp @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 2:11 pm) *
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Century Absinthe 100mg thujone

Alcohol is a GABA agonist. It stimulates the production of this neurotransmitter which causes drowsiness and sleep. Thujone is a GABA antagonist. It prohibits alcohol from performing that part of it's function. Absinthe is therefore a type of 'speedball', it's chemical constituents at once promote the production of GABA and opens its receptors, while also closing those receptors off. This explains the "green fairy" effect that absinthe has, as oppossed to just normal drunkenness biggrin.gif

hello there imp, welcome to the forum.
While Century sounds tasy, it's thujone content is 100mg/kg, rather than 100mg/L... still a little low, in my opinion.
I'm sure it's better than many (almost) fake brands that have sprung up in the US in the last year... Sounds about the same potentcy as "Lucid" which is the brand created by the man who busted his arse to re-legalize the fairey in the US. Good stuff, but the higher the thujone content, the lower the drive to drink more, overwhelming the neural responses through the body's reaction to the alcohol.

As I said, I'm sure Century's a good brew - thanks for the tip!

I do take issue with the "speedball" comment though. "speedball" tends to relate to the combination between activating endorphine and adrenaline receptors, where as this is a GABA agonist combined with a chemical that lights up the 5-ht3 (seratonin) receptors.
greenimp
Hi

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Sounds about the same potentcy as "Lucid"


Lucid is <10ppm as per FDA regs and enforced by the TTB. That means it can be anything from 0 - 10 (although it is actually zero) Century is the highest at 100mg (ten times the strength of standard European brands) that is commercially available - the 260+ stuff is HG (hausgemacht moonshine) The amers classification absinthe in Europe are all 10-35mg. At 35mg there is an effect IMHO.
greenimp
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created by the man who busted his arse to re-legalize the fairey in the US.


Beg to differ. Kubler in Switzerland did the leg work with the help of the Swiss Embassy in Washington and that guy produced a ZERO thujone absinthe and so was then fast tracked. Kubler were not happy, as those guys behind Lucid in New York were able to piggy-back and get in first. Kubler absinthe is naturally <10ppm and does not use a chemotype of artemisia absinthium nor carbon extraction to eliminate the thujone content.
seuss
QUOTE (greenimp @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 3:11 pm) *
Beg to differ. Kubler in Switzerland did the leg work with the help of the Swiss Embassy in Washington and that guy produced a ZERO thujone absinthe and so was then fast tracked. Kubler were not happy, as those guys behind Lucid in New York were able to piggy-back and get in first. Kubler absinthe is naturally <10ppm and does not use a chemotype of artemisia absinthium nor carbon extraction to eliminate the thujone content.


Wow...
Well it seems you feel pretty well informed, and you really know your absinthe, I've taken my view of "Lucid" from drinking it, and drinking others from other places, comparing them, and their content. I guess I might have been a little over-critical comparing a brand I've never had to the molson of absinthes. I appologize. However, I'd be happy to give a glowing review of a good absinthe, should I be given the opportunity to.
greenimp
Hi Seuss

I would be really interested to know about which brands that you have tried vs Lucid. Some other ones that are worth checking out are Doubs Mystique and Roquette 1797. As far as USA "absinthe hygeniques" (the post ban term for the sanitized version) that are now available in the USA stores, I think for taste that Sirene is a good choice and so is Kubler.

Sirene

I am also interested in your opinion about the thujone effect and how it happens. Also, what is your experience when drinking? I use absinthe sometimes to solve problems, do you know what I mean about the cognitive effect? Any ideas about why?

seuss
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 2:26 pm) *
150 BUX A BOTTLE????

Not particularly surprising, They can go a lot higher than that. If you drink responsably, it out to last you a while.
sounds like you were paying about $12 an ounce, right? at that price you'd pay $374 for about 0.700L
seuss
QUOTE (greenimp @ Sunday, 11 May 2008, 5:20 am) *
Hi Seuss

I would be really interested to know about which brands that you have tried vs Lucid. Some other ones that are worth checking out are Doubs Mystique and Roquette 1797. As far as USA "absinthe hygeniques" (the post ban term for the sanitized version) that are now available in the USA stores, I think for taste that Sirene is a good choice and so is Kubler.

Sirene

I am also interested in your opinion about the thujone effect and how it happens. Also, what is your experience when drinking? I use absinthe sometimes to solve problems, do you know what I mean about the cognitive effect? Any ideas about why?


This is where I got most of my info before the ban lifted...
I even used a couple recipies they had and distilled some of my own...
in both AZ. and FL. I was able to wildcraft some relatively potent strains of wormwood.

As far as brands and effects, I'll have to find my notebook.
I've moved since the last time I've used it, so it may take a bit...
As far as problem solving is concerned, GABA is (I'm pretty sure you know this) a neurotransmitter that has a strong effect on one's sense of well being... There are studies that have shown that Alcoholics have either a a lack of GABA, or an inability to uptake it. without Gaba, at least from the things I've read, and occasional experimentation with supplemental GABA, (and in combination with L-Theanine), the brain has a tendancy to function in a predominantly beta-wave state. With a proper amout, the blood pressure lowers, the betas drop down to a small level, and Alpha waves rise.
Now, with the raised Alpha waves, one will tend to shift from a more chaotic, multi-tasking state, to a focused, more "Zen" mindframe. A champion archer just before he looses is functioning almost exclusively on Alpha waves.
My feeling is, the more one functions in the higher alpha states of mind, the more random and disquieting thoughts can be denied entry to the thought process, alowing total focus on the task at hand.

If you'd like to try the effects without the alcohol, you might want to consider picking up a bottle of "ZenMind" by Nutricology. It's a combination of 500 mg. of GABA and 200 mg of L-Theanine. for greatest effect, I would suggest trying it on an empty stomach.
seuss
QUOTE (greenimp @ Saturday, 10 May 2008, 3:03 pm) *
Hi



Lucid is <10ppm as per FDA regs and enforced by the TTB. That means it can be anything from 0 - 10 (although it is actually zero) Century is the highest at 100mg (ten times the strength of standard European brands) that is commercially available - the 260+ stuff is HG (hausgemacht moonshine) The amers classification absinthe in Europe are all 10-35mg. At 35mg there is an effect IMHO.


I found this on Lucid's website, and while it doesn't give specific content, it does say it contains Thujone:
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Yes. Lucid contains an amount of thujone that is comparable to many pre-ban absinthes, many of which would have passed modern U.S. regulations. Any product that comes to the U.S. containing Grande Wormwood must also meet those same requirements, which are similar to the requirements of many other countries. According to extensive research conducted by T.A. Breaux and others in the scientific community, the thujone content of vintage absinthe was actually much lower than has been commonly believed. Breaux and others acquired dozens of vintage bottles of absinthe from estate sales and auctions and applied modern chemical analysis actually testing the thujone content of these absinthes to reach this conclusion. This research has been well documented and the findings remain generally undisputed.
greenimp
QUOTE (seuss @ Sunday, 11 May 2008, 9:03 am) *
I found this on Lucid's website, and while it doesn't give specific content, it does say it contains Thujone:


Ummm....of course the TTB test registers zero (as it is so antiquated) for anything <10ppm. This is the loophole the lawyers used and no law was ever changed. Kubler definitely has thujone content as I have a bottle and I also have access to some neat equipment smile.gif Techniaclly all US absinthe is "thujone free" as per the FDA regs whether it be 0 or <10.

BTW I forgot to mention St George which is a fascinating US made brand that some of my friends in San Fransisco really like.

In any case your comments about GABA are fascinating, and the first time I have read such thought. What about wormwood cultivation? I am not a HG'er ( I would need to move to New Zealand for that) but I understand that climatic conditions, harvesting, and drying are key to getting the best from artemisia absinthium.

Back on the subject of speedball: before the US market opened the opinion was expressed by some that the absinthe effect is a comnination of which thujone is a constituent. You'll know anethole from anise and what about calamus? Those same people will not say the same things now, as suggesting that absinthe is "euphoric" is liable to cause trouble with the beady eyed authorities. Part of the deal is that absinthe becomes just another liquor - one that is aimed at an elite cocktail set. This is in fact a travesty of history as absinthe was served from barrels to the masses:

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It is the year 1893. A basement cafe, Place St. Michel, Paris. The air is fetid with tobacco smoke, mixed with the pungent, acrid odor of absinthe. It is two o'clock in the morning. Some Parisian night birds, souteneurs, piles de joie, and the like,
Source: PAUL VERLAINE His Absinthe-Tinted Song

This observation is about the pungent nature of fresh wormwood I think. Many of the absinthes these days claim to taste like pre-ban, but they taste like 100 year aged pre-ban and are sweeter by far. The pungency is lost. What about the flavour and pungency of an HG?
petedacook
So, where can you buy absinthe at? Is it still illegal in certain states?
sky of mind
QUOTE (petedacook @ Friday, 23 May 2008, 6:53 pm) *
So, where can you buy absinthe at? Is it still illegal in certain states?




It's legal in all states. Though in most liquor stores you won't find any of the wormwood brew with thujone.
I asked at my local store and that's what they told me.



If you want the good stuff, seems you have to buy of the internet. (and it isn't cheap)
That is, unless someone that knows anything about this more than me offers some clues.
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