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At 12:30 pm west coast
Latest Pa. Polling Numbers
Democrats
Clinton 49%
Obama 44%
Full Version: Pennsylvania election results on Tuesday
But even if she "wins" PA, she can't possibly close the delegate gap, can she? That is what I still don't understand about this race.
QUOTE (Libertas @ Monday, 21 April 2008, 3:51 pm) 
But even if she "wins" PA, she can't possibly close the delegate gap, can she? That is what I still don't understand about this race.
Clinton would have to win something like 80% of everything that's left.
Simple math shows that Obama will be our next president. Unless they can swift boat him.
QUOTE (Libertas @ Monday, 21 April 2008, 5:51 pm)
But even if she "wins" PA, she can't possibly close the delegate gap, can she? That is what I still don't understand about this race.
I think it's possible she'll stay in hoping she can exploit this at the convention:
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http://thepage.time.com/can-pledged-delega...ir-preferences/
Can Pledged Delegates Change Their Preferences?
Are delegates bound? Can a pledged delegate change his or her presidential preference?
This is the one of the biggest myths of the delegate selection process. Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the Convention or on the first ballot. A delegate goes to the Convention with a singed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the Convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required. Under the Delegate Selection Rules, a delegate is asked to in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them. This provision is designed in part to make the Convention a deliberative body.
Can Pledged Delegates Change Their Preferences?
Are delegates bound? Can a pledged delegate change his or her presidential preference?
This is the one of the biggest myths of the delegate selection process. Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the Convention or on the first ballot. A delegate goes to the Convention with a singed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the Convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required. Under the Delegate Selection Rules, a delegate is asked to in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them. This provision is designed in part to make the Convention a deliberative body.
as of 10 am west coast
Latest Pa. Polling Numbers
Democrats
Clinton 50%
Obama 43%
Latest Pa. Polling Numbers
Democrats
Clinton 50%
Obama 43%
QUOTE (soon2b @ Monday, 21 April 2008, 7:40 pm)
I think it's possible she'll stay in hoping she can exploit this at the convention:
However, these delegates have to go home to their friends and neighbors, and the local delegates that elected them.
2008 General Primary
Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:10 left coast
Unofficial Returns
*** 4,205 out of 9,263 Districts (45.40%) Reporting Statewide ***
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM) . 551,326 . 53.8%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM) . 473,584 . 46.2%
Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:10 left coast
Unofficial Returns
*** 4,205 out of 9,263 Districts (45.40%) Reporting Statewide ***
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM) . 551,326 . 53.8%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM) . 473,584 . 46.2%
Clinton defeats Obama in Pennsylvania primary
but did she win by enough?
By DAVID ESPO and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers
27 minutes ago - 4.22.8
PHILADELPHIA - Hillary Rodham Clinton gained a gritty victory in the Pennsylvania primary Tuesday night over a better-funded Barack Obama, staving off elimination in their historic race for the Democratic presidential nomination.
The former first lady was winning 54 percent of the vote to 46 percent for her rival with 35 percent of the vote counted, and she hoped for significant inroads into Obama's overall lead in the competition for delegates to the Democratic National Convention.
Clinton scored her victory by winning the votes of blue-collar workers, women and white men in an election where the economy was the dominant concern. He was favored by blacks, the affluent and voters who recently switched to the Democratic Party, a group that comprised about one in ten Pennsylvania voters, according to the surveys conducted by The Associated Press and the TV networks.
More than 80 percent of voters surveyed as they left their polling places said the nation was already in a recession.
Clinton won despite being outspent heavily by her rival in a six-week campaign that allowed time for intense courtship of the voters.
She showed her blue collar bona fides one night by knocking down a shot of whiskey, then taking a mug of beer as a chaser. Obama went bowling in his attempt to win over working-class voters.
The win gave Clinton a strong record in the big states as she attempts to persuade convention superdelegates to look past Obama's delegate advantage and his lead in the popular vote in picking a nominee. She had previously won primaries in Texas, California, Ohio and her home state of New York, while Obama won his home state of Illinois.
At the same time, even some of her aides conceded she is facing another likely must-win challenge in Indiana in two weeks time, particularly with Obama favored to carry North Carolina on the same day.
Clinton gained at least 28 delegates with her victory, with another 130 still to be awarded.
That left Obama with an overall lead of 1648.5 to 1537.5, totals that include the superdelegates who are not picked in primaries and caucuses.
Clinton projected confidence to the end of the Pennsylvania campaign, scheduling an election-night rally in Philadelphia. Obama signaled in advance he expected to lose, flying off to Indiana for an evening appearance even before the polls closed.
Flush with cash, Obama reported spending $11.2 million on television in the state, more than any place else. That compared with $4.8 million for Clinton.
The tone of the campaign was increasingly personal to the delight of Republicans and John McCain, the GOP presidential nominee-in-waiting gaining in the polls while the Democrats battle in primaries deep into the spring.
"In the last 10 years Barack Obama has taken almost $2 million from lobbyists, corporations and PACs. The head of his New Hampshire campaign is a drug company lobbyist, in Indiana an energy lobbyist, a casino lobbyist in Nevada," said a Clinton commercial that aired in the final days of the race.
Obama responded with an ad that accused Clinton of "eleventh-hour smears paid for by lobbyist money." It said that unlike his rival, he "doesn't take money from special interest PACs or Washington lobbyists not one dime."
Also to the delight of Republicans, the six-week layoff between primaries produced a string of troubles for the Democrats.
Obama was forced onto the defensive by incendiary comments by his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, then triggered controversy on his own by saying small-town Americans cling to guns and religion because of their economic hardships.
Clinton conceded that she had not landed under sniper fire in Bosnia while first lady, even though she said several times that she had. And she replaced her chief strategist, Mark Penn, after he met with officials of the Colombian government seeking passage of a free trade agreement that she opposes.
The remaining Democratic contests are primaries in North Carolina, Indiana, Oregon, Kentucky, West Virginia, Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico, and caucuses in Guam.
but did she win by enough?
By DAVID ESPO and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers
27 minutes ago - 4.22.8
PHILADELPHIA - Hillary Rodham Clinton gained a gritty victory in the Pennsylvania primary Tuesday night over a better-funded Barack Obama, staving off elimination in their historic race for the Democratic presidential nomination.
The former first lady was winning 54 percent of the vote to 46 percent for her rival with 35 percent of the vote counted, and she hoped for significant inroads into Obama's overall lead in the competition for delegates to the Democratic National Convention.
Clinton scored her victory by winning the votes of blue-collar workers, women and white men in an election where the economy was the dominant concern. He was favored by blacks, the affluent and voters who recently switched to the Democratic Party, a group that comprised about one in ten Pennsylvania voters, according to the surveys conducted by The Associated Press and the TV networks.
More than 80 percent of voters surveyed as they left their polling places said the nation was already in a recession.
Clinton won despite being outspent heavily by her rival in a six-week campaign that allowed time for intense courtship of the voters.
She showed her blue collar bona fides one night by knocking down a shot of whiskey, then taking a mug of beer as a chaser. Obama went bowling in his attempt to win over working-class voters.
The win gave Clinton a strong record in the big states as she attempts to persuade convention superdelegates to look past Obama's delegate advantage and his lead in the popular vote in picking a nominee. She had previously won primaries in Texas, California, Ohio and her home state of New York, while Obama won his home state of Illinois.
At the same time, even some of her aides conceded she is facing another likely must-win challenge in Indiana in two weeks time, particularly with Obama favored to carry North Carolina on the same day.
Clinton gained at least 28 delegates with her victory, with another 130 still to be awarded.
That left Obama with an overall lead of 1648.5 to 1537.5, totals that include the superdelegates who are not picked in primaries and caucuses.
Clinton projected confidence to the end of the Pennsylvania campaign, scheduling an election-night rally in Philadelphia. Obama signaled in advance he expected to lose, flying off to Indiana for an evening appearance even before the polls closed.
Flush with cash, Obama reported spending $11.2 million on television in the state, more than any place else. That compared with $4.8 million for Clinton.
The tone of the campaign was increasingly personal to the delight of Republicans and John McCain, the GOP presidential nominee-in-waiting gaining in the polls while the Democrats battle in primaries deep into the spring.
"In the last 10 years Barack Obama has taken almost $2 million from lobbyists, corporations and PACs. The head of his New Hampshire campaign is a drug company lobbyist, in Indiana an energy lobbyist, a casino lobbyist in Nevada," said a Clinton commercial that aired in the final days of the race.
Obama responded with an ad that accused Clinton of "eleventh-hour smears paid for by lobbyist money." It said that unlike his rival, he "doesn't take money from special interest PACs or Washington lobbyists not one dime."
Also to the delight of Republicans, the six-week layoff between primaries produced a string of troubles for the Democrats.
Obama was forced onto the defensive by incendiary comments by his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, then triggered controversy on his own by saying small-town Americans cling to guns and religion because of their economic hardships.
Clinton conceded that she had not landed under sniper fire in Bosnia while first lady, even though she said several times that she had. And she replaced her chief strategist, Mark Penn, after he met with officials of the Colombian government seeking passage of a free trade agreement that she opposes.
The remaining Democratic contests are primaries in North Carolina, Indiana, Oregon, Kentucky, West Virginia, Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico, and caucuses in Guam.
So in other words, PENNSYLVANIA CHANGED NOTHING!!!
How hard will the media try to trip over itself to make this seem like a huge victory for Clinton and a massive defeat for Obama? Such bullsh*t.
How hard will the media try to trip over itself to make this seem like a huge victory for Clinton and a massive defeat for Obama? Such bullsh*t.
QUOTE (Libertas @ Tuesday, 22 April 2008, 11:02 pm)
So in other words, PENNSYLVANIA CHANGED NOTHING!!!
How hard will the media try to trip over itself to make this seem like a huge victory for Clinton and a massive defeat for Obama? Such bullsh*t.
How hard will the media try to trip over itself to make this seem like a huge victory for Clinton and a massive defeat for Obama? Such bullsh*t.
The net results are that Clinton won the Pennsylvania primary,
but because it was close, Obama should actually expand his delegate lead.
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