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Jack
I think so and that she is delusional to think that she has any chance. Then again, if you work at doing something for 15 years, it is probably hard to accept defeat. I say so much for the presumptive democratic nominee.

sky of mind
It's not over, until it's over.
Never under estimate the other side.
Jack
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 21 February 2008, 10:23 pm) *
It's not over, until it's over.
Never under estimate the other side.


No, fuck you. wry2.gif
sky of mind
QUOTE(Jack @ Thursday, 21 February 2008, 10:26 pm) *
No, fuck you. wry2.gif



is that an offer?
Jack
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 21 February 2008, 10:28 pm) *
is that an offer?


Well... I don't know.... redface.gif
sky of mind
good thing I don't know how to tap dance.
Jack
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 21 February 2008, 10:31 pm) *
good thing I don't know how to tap dance.


I guess it wasn't meant to be cry.gif
sky of mind
Check the last two lines of the story

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...12726&imw=Y


AP's Fournier on Hillary's Campaign:
'It's Panic Button Time'

Published: February 20, 2008 10:30 AM ET

WASHINGTON The Democratic nomination is now Barack Obama's to lose.

After 10 consecutive defeats — including a heartbreaker in tailor-made Wisconsin on Tuesday — Hillary Rodham Clinton can't win the nomination unless Obama makes a major mistake or her allies reveal something damaging about the Illinois senator's background. Don't count her out quite yet, but Wisconsin revealed deep and destructive fractures in the Clinton coalition.

It's panic-button time.

That explains why Clinton's aides accused Obama of plagiarism for delivering a speech that included words that had first been uttered by Deval Patrick, the Massachusetts governor and a friend of Obama. The charge bordered on the hypocritical — Clinton herself has borrowed Obama's lines — and by itself was unlikely to have an impact on the race.

Clinton claimed Tuesday that reporters, not her campaign, pushed the plagiarism story line. That is not true.

The Clinton camp hopes to produce other instances of rhetorical theft and show a pattern of bad behavior. The danger for Obama is anything that undercuts his image as a candidate who rises above politics. Something like this might work to Clinton's advantage: Obama is backtracking on a pledge to abide by spending caps in the general election, and his explanation is bogus.

Obama is undeniably raw. Less than four years removed from the Illinois Legislature, he stands at the brink of the Democratic nomination and will soon go one-on-one in debates with a tough and savvy former first lady. The odds of a misstep are low but not impossible for these reasons: Clinton will grow increasingly negative; Obama faces more scrutiny as the new front-runner; his performance in multi-candidates debates was uneven; and the charmed Illinois senator has never faced political crises.

Should Obama stumble in the next two weeks, does he know how to recover?

Clinton certainly knows how to bounce back. She helped her husband, Bill, recover from near-death experiences during his White House run and rebounded herself after a thumping in Iowa.

But her rival has won the most states, earned the most pledged delegates and has all the momentum. Clinton needs to win Ohio and Texas on March 4 — then Pennsylvania in April — to narrow Obama's lead among pledged delegates. Only then could she argue with a straight face that a majority of the nearly 800 free-roaming "superdelegates" should back her over Obama.

"Both Senator Obama and I would make history," the former first lady told supporters Tuesday night. "But only one of us is ready on Day One to be commander in chief, ready to manage our economy and ready to defeat the Republicans. Only one of us has spent 35 years being a doer, a fighter and a champion for those who need a voice."

Only one of them can win, and it doesn't look good for her.

"The chances of Obama doing something that's going to cause a major problem are about as low as her doing something that will turn it around," said Democratic strategist Bill Carrick, who is not tied to either campaign. "When you start pressing to come back, it's usually the person who's behind who makes the mistake."

Ignore the Clinton advisers who argue that Wisconsin was just a bump on the road en route to the tell-all March 4 primaries. Listen instead to the message sent by her ragged coalition:

Obama led among whites (widely among white men), moderates and those earning less than $50,000, all bastions of Clinton's past strength. Obama and Clinton split the vote among women, erasing her one-time advantage.

Demographically, Wisconsin was a warm-up for Ohio: nearly 90 percent of Tuesday's voters were white; about 40 percent earn less than $50,000 annually; nearly 60 percent have no college degree; and half are over 50 years old — all demographics that have tended to favor Clinton.

In a sign of desperation, the Clinton camp floated the idea of poaching delegates that Obama earned via elections. While allowable under Democratic National Committee rules, the tactic would likely divide Democrats along racial lines and set the party back decades.

It would be the ultimate act of selfishness and foolishness. Even Clinton must realize there is little she can do to win the nomination. She can only help Obama lose it.




I think it's time for Dr. Dean to have that heart to heart talk with our Miss Hillary.
Jack
I think the problem is that so many people think that Hillary Clinton is a near invincible Juggernaut that it is hard to conceive that she could be totally wiped out by this previously unknown chicago politician. There have been rumblings about hillary for nearly a decade and for the first year, she had a seemingly insurmountable lead. I think that a lot of people can't fathom a clinton, the wife of the highly successful and popular president from not that long ago, being taken down by someone who most thought was way out of his league, not too long ago. There seems to be a huge disconnect between hillary's reputation as being nearly unstoppable and what she actually is.
sky of mind
I agree, and also the subliminal racism.
Jack
QUOTE
also the subliminal racism.


That seems to be the thing that doomed her. After Nevada, who knew what was going to happen? After south carolina, it started to become clear. Losing the black vote is what screwed her. It once favored clinton but she lost that after a week of tirades by Mr. Hillary Clinton. We went into south carolina not knowing what was going to happen but a 30 point loss and 80% of the black vote against her, that is when the downhill trends began. Losing edwards didn't help and obama's small state strategy was a stroke of brilliance. 11 losses later, here we are.
Jimmy
Why is there no "Oh, God I hope so" option on the poll?
Libertas
Maybe not dead, but certainly being fitted for a coffin. Unless she has major victories in TX/OH, I think we can pretty much talk about Obama as the nominee. I think it would be poor politics and in very poor taste if she chose to continue without winning at LEAST one of the next round of primaries.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Libertas @ Friday, 22 February 2008, 10:50 am) *
Maybe not dead, but certainly being fitted for a coffin. Unless she has major victories in TX/OH, I think we can pretty much talk about Obama as the nominee. I think it would be poor politics and in very poor taste if she chose to continue without winning at LEAST one of the next round of primaries.




I fear that unless Dean and the DNC have something really nasty to threaten her with, something we will never hear about, that she will continue on to the convention. Her campaign will insist they are not hurting the Dem party, but she has an obligation to the people to continue the fight.

I suspect though, that Dean does have what he needs to shut her down.
soon2b
I think the tone and body language by the end of the last debate suggested a posture of subordination on her part. Doesn't mean it's over, but I think she's psychologically beaten.
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