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JOEBIALEK
On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.

Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence? Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter! Does the father of the child have a say in this? And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.
sky of mind
QUOTE(JOEBIALEK @ Saturday, 16 February 2008, 10:03 am) *
On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.

Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence? Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter! Does the father of the child have a say in this? And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.





well now, this outta be innersting
soon2b
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Life begins at the point of conception

Your source, Joe? Some would say the human life involves sentience. That might occur at some point during gestation, but at conception?
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Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience

Your source, Joe?
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Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter!

Name's Joe? Hmmm....I'm betting you're a man?
sky of mind
"JOE" said his post was his opinion.

How does "JOE" feel about the fact that his personal opinion is shared by a relatively small minority ofAmericans?
That "JOE"s opinion is not shared by the scientific community, or the medical community, or the legal community?


As long as "JOE"s post is an opinion, he can post any drivvel he chooses, and anybody can say anything they want in reply, because the post has absolutely nothing to do with facts or reality.




That said, thank you Joe for your opinion, but for someone who can't get pregnant, you sure seem to have a lot of religious feelings about pregnancy. In fact I wonder, because it's something you CAN do, what's your opinion on masturbation?
Libertas
This is not the first site he has posted this at. Trolling ban plz.
Rousseau
Fuck off, Joe.

Theres a good idiot. Bigot. Fanatic. Ignorant fool. Arrogant fool. Fascist. Throwback. Creationist. Deviant. Worshipper of idols. Mindless bloviating manure pile. Genetic reject. Reverand Phelps back-scratcher.

You don't have views. You have pre-formed, pre-packaged propaganda that is hammered into your childlike-brain by some seriously creepy people on power and guilt-trips.

Science disagrees with you, and that's all right with me.
You are right about the lack of contraception and sex education, though. This should be free or easily accessible, and sex education from non-religious sources needs to be taught to all children, as the parents seem to have stepped down, and the Churches have some serious problems with their pink bits, and I'd rather Father McFeely kept his hands to himself...


Actually, do you even KNOW when the fetus begins to become Human ?

And if you're a man, what the heck has it got to do with you anyway ? It's a womans choice.

As if there aren't enough idiots cluttering up the planet.....
Jack
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Fuck off, Joe.

Theres a good idiot. Bigot. Fanatic. Ignorant fool. Arrogant fool. Fascist. Throwback. Creationist. Deviant. Worshipper of idols. Mindless bloviating manure pile. Genetic reject. Reverand Phelps back-scratcher.

You don't have views. You have pre-formed, pre-packaged propaganda that is hammered into your childlike-brain by some seriously creepy people on power and guilt-trips.


Easy. Remember, WWBOD?
karen
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Life begins at the point of conception.

Really?

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What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death.

Your point being?

Do you have any conscious appreciation/memory of this stage of your development what-so-ever?
Because we were all zygotes once is no argument at all.

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Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created.

On what are you basing this MASSIVE generalisation?
Maybe you could spend some time giving some real thought to the question of the various ways unwanted pregnancies come about.... Take your time... really.... engage those synapses!

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Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing

Ah. I see. So that's all that goes into bringing a life into the word is it? 9 months of 'discomfort'. Gosh, thanks for the insight. I'll encourage my sisters to be less thoughtless and self-centred in the future!
With arguments like that, with so much insight into the process of creating a life, how can I fail but to be won over?

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Does the father of the child have a say in this?

Potentially, yes.
But it is the woman's decision to make, and hers alone.

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I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed.

That's nice dear. Maybe you could bring some solid reasoning into the discussion in order to further your cause?
You're as entitled to your opinion as the next person, but if you wish to have an influence on the opinion of others it helps if you lend some thought to your posts.
maxanne
Joe's a hit and run troll. He won't be coming back to participate in a discussion.

He'll be back in a month or so with a new attempt at getting folks wound up.


happymisanthropy
QUOTE(Jack @ Saturday, 16 February 2008, 8:54 pm) *
Easy. Remember, WWBOD?


What would Bill O'Reilly Do? blink.gif wry2.gif
Jack
QUOTE(happymisanthropy @ Sunday, 17 February 2008, 6:37 pm) *
What would Bill O'Reilly Do? blink.gif wry2.gif


Probably verbally and sexually abuse you. No the OB is another man. The one we call "Barack".
POAC
Banninated.

Life doesn't begin at conception. The soul of the baby doesn't enter the baby's body until birth. Until then it hangs out at a Starbuck's.
karen
QUOTE(POAC @ Monday, 18 February 2008, 1:59 am) *
Banninated.

Life doesn't begin at conception. The soul of the baby doesn't enter the baby's body until birth. Until then it hangs out at a Starbuck's.


The soul hangs around at Starbuck's, while the foetus draws on the life force of the mother.

Good, timely bannination there boss. thumbup.gif
Jubal
QUOTE(JOEBIALEK @ Saturday, 16 February 2008, 1:03 pm) *
What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country?

Oh! Oh! Me, me, me, memememememe! I know teacher!

"Responsibility for one's actions, once a core principle of the United States of America, was overturned by the Administration of George W. Bush, the forty-third President, between 2001 and 2009."
maxanne
QUOTE(happymisanthropy @ Sunday, 17 February 2008, 9:37 pm) *
What would Bill O'Reilly Do? blink.gif wry2.gif


Show you his falafel?
lark
I'm not a doctor but I know couples and women who've had the whole moment of conception stage only to be disappointed when a child does not develop, the "baby" has no head or has a life threatening deformity which means it wont life out the full term or live through the birth.

So I'm not a believer that the point of conception equals a baby and abortion equals infanticide, can give credience to arguments about late term abortions or premature born baby's survival rates and changes in medical practice but concluding that abortion per se is a crime? Nope, sorry.
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