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rén
I received this through email, I see there's some buzz about it on the internet. There's a link to the story: Right Brain vs. Left Brain

look at the picture, what direction does the dancer seem to spin, clockwise or counterclocwise ? (To find out which is right or left brained, follow the link to the article)





(I see it as a right brained person supposedly does, which confirms other indicators about my brain organization. It took some real effort but I finally made it spin the other way. But every time I come back to it, I see it dominantly right brained, I guess)
sky of mind
Hey! She's NAKED!





























Oh yeah, I'm a right brainer.
POAC
I can't get past the fact that she's levitating!
karen
According to the image I'm left brained, according to the list of attributes I'm right brained. huh.gif
Boot
Gah! she switched directions!


Head A-slode.
seuss
I've always considered eye-dominance as the major indicator of brain-hemisphere dominance. whichever eye is dominant is the opposite of hemisphere dominanace:

http://vision.about.com/od/contactlenses/h...e_Dominance.htm
Jubal
Not sure about the brain, but looking at that pic made it clear I dress left.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Jubal @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 8:12 am) *
Not sure about the brain, but looking at that pic made it clear I dress left.




laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
rén
QUOTE(karen @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 3:56 am) *
According to the image I'm left brained, according to the list of attributes I'm right brained. huh.gif


That may have to do with "didactics" or your own efforts at learning to coordinate the four quadrants of your brain to become more holistic.

Ned Herman's Whole Brain Model:





Canadian Association of Whole Brain Practitioners
karen
A-ha!
Seems the top left of my brain is knackered! But I'm sure that's more than made up for by the fact that I'm left eyed! clap.gif blink.gif



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Jack
This test is bullshit.

Also, if you want it to go clockwise, focus on the right leg and if you want it to go counter-clockwise, focus on the left leg. Or focus on the heel that is touching the ground and it will keep changing directions.

But none of it matters, since, as stated, this is testing absolutely nothing.
sky of mind
OK, Now the naked, levitating lady is rotating counter clockwise!

Half a day at work and everything starts going backwards!
sky of mind
QUOTE(Jack @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 2:12 pm) *
This test is bullshit.

Also, if you want it to go clockwise, focus on the right leg and if you want it to go counter-clockwise, focus on the left leg. Or focus on the heel that is touching the ground and it will keep changing directions.

But none of it matters, since, as stated, this is testing absolutely nothing.




Jack it seems, is a left brainer!
Or in other words, he's not in his right mind! laugh.gif
Jack
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 3:02 pm) *
Jack it seems, is a left brainer!
Or in other words, he's not in his right mind! laugh.gif


Huh?
karen
QUOTE(Jack @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 4:12 pm) *
This test is bullshit.

Also, if you want it to go clockwise, focus on the right leg and if you want it to go counter-clockwise, focus on the left leg. Or focus on the heel that is touching the ground and it will keep changing directions.

But none of it matters, since, as stated, this is testing absolutely nothing.


Nope, it's still going anti-clockwise (sorry, have to say that in my native tongue - anything else feels wrong - like calling my mum 'mom'! eek.gif )

QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 5:02 pm) *
Jack it seems, is a left brainer!
Or in other words, he's not in his right mind! laugh.gif


laugh.gif Funny.

Edit: but then, I am in the silliest mood ever tonight! laugh.gif
soon2b
Anyone else notice this? She seems to be turning one direction, clockwise for me, when I view the whole figure, but if I scroll down so that I can only view the bottom (knees down) she seems to turn clockwise for a few rotations and then counter-clockwise for a few.
sky of mind
Now this is curious.


I had the link open because I was gonna paste it elsewhere to share.
This means I had the dancer that's posted on the forum, as well as the dancer from the original article on my screen side by side, and the lady on the left danced clockwise while the lady on the right danced counter.


And Sooner, your right. If I scroll it up so all I can see is from the knees down, the illusion flip flops every few revolutions.
Jack
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 7:50 pm) *
And Sooner, your right. If I scroll it up so all I can see is from the knees down, the illusion flip flops every few revolutions.


Proof it is bullshit. I'd tell you why but i don't feel like it right now. Developmental psychology tests are a bitch to study for.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Jack @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 8:00 pm) *
Proof it is bullshit. I'd tell you why but i don't feel like it right now. Developmental psychology tests are a bitch to study for.





Jack, I used the word "illusion" quite deliberately.
None the less, the science behind this is quite real. This dancer image is only one of the tools for researching, and ifyou take it strictly literally, then you over think it and fly right on past the point. (as you left brainers quite often do)

Remember Jack, that it is what you think it is. And as long as you think it's crap, for you that's all it will ever be.
Jack
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None the less, the science behind this is quite real.


That is what i doubt.

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as you left brainers quite often do


I "tested" as a right brainer

QUOTE
And as long as you think it's crap, for you that's all it will ever be.


Just because i think it is crap, doesn't mean it isn't. I know what the problems are with this test, what it is trying to test, and how to really test it. Again, no real time at the moment, school work beckons. Perhaps soon though, if you are interested.

I'm not dismissing the idea of people being more logical or more abstract, most people are either one or the other, this test however, is bullshit. If you are interested in the real, scientifically proven area related to this, i know a lot about it. This is my area of interest after all. More so than politics and something i have been studying for years. Of course i am not the foremost expert on psychology but i do know enough to explain the problems here.
sky of mind
thumbup.gif Good argument.
Jubal
QUOTE(karen @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 6:12 pm) *
Nope, it's still going anti-clockwise (sorry, have to say that in my native tongue - anything else feels wrong - like calling my mum 'mom'! eek.gif )

Widdershins.
karen
QUOTE(seuss @ Monday, 11 February 2008, 7:25 pm) *
Seriously? Are you sure you didn't preview it and forget to actually post it? I do that from time to time... Has this ever happened before?


Nope. She's still dancing the wrong way!!! bawling.gif

QUOTE(Jubal @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 5:10 am) *
Widdershins.


Jubal, you big soft-hearted honey-pie wink.gif , what does it (widdershins) mean? unsure.gif
Jubal
It's anti-clockwise, Scots dialect. Pre-dates clocks.

The opposite is "deosil" (literally "sunwise," but that doesn't work in the Southern Hemisphere).
karen
QUOTE(Jubal @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 6:39 am) *
It's anti-clockwise, Scots dialect. Pre-dates clocks.

The opposite is "deosil" (literally "sunwise," but that doesn't work in the Southern Hemisphere).


My education is complete just beginning (the distinction can be very confusing, no?). Thanks Jubal. smile.gif
seuss
if I focus on the shadow at the bottom, she turns counter-clockwise, but the rest of the time she goes clockwise...

does that mean left brainers don't focus well? or is it that they're super-analytical?
rén
I've enjoyed watching this watercooler discussion unfold. While this single test is not something to take seriously, nor do I believe much of the (we used to call it parlor psychology, but I think watercooler psychology works today -- who has parlors?) discussions about left brainers and right brainers is based in anything like "hard science" (Jack seems like he might lean towards that direction), but I do believe we can perceive something about ourselves and others that's worth the trouble, and certainly any effort to understand our minds in any serious way can't be self destructive unless we want it to be.

I think what's interesting is that we can learn to see in different ways, which implies to me we can learn to think in different ways. Thus, for each of us who has the interest, the possibility of becoming more mentally flexible.

I'm not real sure about this particular dancer image myself. But it certainly is a controversial one, and good for the watercooler discussions. I seem to be able to get my mind to "make" it reverse when I want it to, and I have a trick for that similar to what I've heard from others. It starts at the bottom and works from there. But I have a friend who does it from the top, can't do it from the bottom!

I like being able to see both the old woman and the young woman in the following at once. At first I couldn't, it's easy now:





I often wonder what the natives living on the beach really "saw" that time when the Santa Maria, the Niña and the Pinta emerged up from the horizon and came towards them.

What's wonderful to me is that the mind remains a never ending mystery to explore.
Jubal
QUOTE(rén @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 11:01 am) *
I often wonder what the natives living on the beach really "saw" that time when the Santa Maria, the Niña and the Pinta emerged up from the horizon and came towards them.

The Shawnees call it "the end of all songs."
rén
QUOTE(Jubal @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 8:40 am) *
The Shawnees call it "the end of all songs."


So that's what those sails looked like? "The end of all songs"?

It would be interesting if they actually saw something and thought that about it at the same time. But mythology and story telling does tend to change the very nature of what that first perception of something might have been.

Were "they" looking for the end of all songs to come from the sea that they would have seen this strange apparition in that way? Was that, for instance, a part of their mythology at that moment that they might have been preprogammed to see something unusual as a calamitous sign (assuming end of all songs would be calamitous to them)? (BTW, I don't believe it was the Shawnee who first saw those three ships. Columbus and his gang, on October 11, 1492, spotted the Caribbean islands off southeastern North America. They landed on an island they called Guanahani, but Columbus later renamed it San Salvador. Shawnee at the time were somewhat further north and inland, around Ohio, Pennsylvania, and the like, I believe.)
happymisanthropy
QUOTE(Jubal @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 4:39 am) *
It's anti-clockwise, Scots dialect. Pre-dates clocks.

The opposite is "deosil" (literally "sunwise," but that doesn't work in the Southern Hemisphere).


Apparently derived from German.
Jubal
QUOTE(rén @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 12:12 pm) *
So that's what those sails looked like? "The end of all songs"?

It would be interesting if they actually saw something and thought that about it at the same time. But mythology and story telling does tend to change the very nature of what that first perception of something might have been.

Were "they" looking for the end of all songs to come from the sea that they would have seen this strange apparition in that way? Was that, for instance, a part of their mythology at that moment that they might have been preprogammed to see something unusual as a calamitous sign (assuming end of all songs would be calamitous to them)? (BTW, I don't believe it was the Shawnee who first saw those three ships. Columbus and his gang, on October 11, 1492, spotted the Caribbean islands off southeastern North America. They landed on an island they called Guanahani, but Columbus later renamed it San Salvador. Shawnee at the time were somewhat further north and inland, around Ohio, Pennsylvania, and the like, I believe.)

Thank you very much. Any other way you care to enlighten me about my people? Feel free to be as wrong as you were this time.
rén
QUOTE(Jubal @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 1:02 pm) *
Thank you very much. Any other way you care to enlighten me about my people? Feel free to be as wrong as you were this time.


Your people? Which ones?
karen
QUOTE(rén @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 10:01 am) *
I'm not real sure about this particular dancer image myself. But it certainly is a controversial one, and good for the watercooler discussions. I seem to be able to get my mind to "make" it reverse when I want it to, and I have a trick for that similar to what I've heard from others. It starts at the bottom and works from there. But I have a friend who does it from the top, can't do it from the bottom!


Funny you should say that. I just finally saw her dance clockwise by starting at her head!
Such a relief!!! eek.gif




Wonder if any of this is testament to just how silly I can be when I want! huh.gif

rolleyes.gif laugh.gif
rén
QUOTE(karen @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 2:04 pm) *
Funny you should say that. I just finally saw her dance clockwise by starting at her head!
Such a relief!!! eek.gif
Wonder if any of this is testament to just how silly I can be when I want! huh.gif

rolleyes.gif laugh.gif


It's a relief to know that too, even though I wasn't even worried you were stressed until I read that!

These optical illusion things are fun, but sometimes people take them a bit too seriously, I'm afraid. A friend of mine who prides herself on being right brained was devastated to find the thing turning counterclockwise for her. Then she decided it was because she'd been trying to be more left brained lately, so she turned it into a good thing and patted herself on the back for being so successful!
karen
QUOTE(rén @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 4:20 pm) *
It's a relief to know to know that too, even though I wasn't even worried you were stressed until I read that!

These optical illusion things are fun, but sometimes people take them a bit too seriously, I'm afraid. A friend of mine who prides herself on being right brained was devastated to find the thing turning counterclockwise for her. Then she decided it was because she'd been trying to be more left brained lately, so she turned it into a good thing and patted herself on the back for being so successful!


Oh no, honey, I wasn't stressed, I was just playing.
Silliness is something I prize in myself, but sometimes I think others much just think I'm nuts - which is also true! laugh.gif

I've thoroughly enjoyed this thread and watching the naked levitating woman dance. biggrin.gif
rén
No need to be so held back, I, for instance, enjoy my own insanity with no reservations what-so-ever (because I've escaped from them all).
karen
QUOTE(rén @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 4:41 pm) *
No need to be so hold back, I, for instance, enjoy my own insanity with no reservations what-so-ever (because I've escaped from them all).


Nice gif! mind if i borrow it from time to time? thumbup.gif
soon2b
Seems that I've read or heard that people who live in dense rain forests and have never seen the horizon have absolutely no depth perception when taken above the forest canopy. They think that things that are miles away are either touchable or a very short distance at most.
rén
QUOTE(karen @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 2:48 pm) *
Nice gif! mind if i borrow it from time to time? thumbup.gif


You are welcome to it. Not really my property, just an image you can download from a Smiley place anyone can use. Smiley Central


You have to sort through a bunch of code to figure out what one you need for the image if you want to use one somewhere besides your email.

The one for that one looks like so, and I've bolded the part you need to extract:

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rén
QUOTE(soon2b @ Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 3:00 pm) *
Seems that I've read or heard that people who live in dense rain forests and have never seen the horizon have absolutely no depth perception when taken above the forest canopy. They think that things that are miles away are either touchable or a very short distance at most.


There's apparently a lot of learning that goes into seeing.
karen
Oh God, she's widdishanks again, even when i only look at her head!!! wall.gif

Ahem. Sorry, apparently I mean widdershins! smile.gif
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