Signed and sent.
Fucking neocon zionist fascist idiots ruining Israel and Palestine.

Still, as usual, the zionocons have fucked up, as now Hamas and Fatah are talking and look likely to form a united front, which means more terrorism/freedom-fighting against the arrogant occupiers that will give them two fronts to fight on, and probably blow the statistics for suicide bombing up (literally..)

All that after boosh waved his Piece-wand and left the Muddle East in Piece. Ungrateful buggers.

The Palestinians breached two holes in the fence leading into Egypt and are currently fleeing the Gaza strip en-masse to go shopping....

Walmart have expressed interest in opening a store next to the frontier post....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2245407,00.html

It's just too fucking sad Rou.
I honestly don't know what to say or do (got that impotent feeling e all get from time to time) besides signing every petition that comes my way and praying...
The world really needs o wake up to the scurge of Zionism and the utter violation of humanity which it brings to the Palestinian people.
I was born in 1967. That's a whole lifetime of death, destruction, rape, murder..... genocide!!!!! And the world looks on... even supports the murderous regime which commits these vile acts!!!

I think Israel is screwing up massively, and commiting crimes against humanity to boot. But something I'd like to hear from the Israel-haters is some ideas on what is an appropriate reaction to being attacked with Qassam rockets.

May I turn that around and ask the pro-Zionists what may be an appropriate response to occupation?

The problem is because people simply don't know what goes on. We get a bit of an idea in the press, but those articles are written in such a way that people have images of a lot of crazy, lazy Arabs wallowing in filth and unwilling to change or make an effort and going out of their way to piss off those nice Jewish neighbors, who were so badly treated by the nasty Europeans.
"And look how many Nobel prize winners are Jewish, and so few Palestinian, surely that proves that the wonderful Dumbocracy of Israel deserves to be armed to the teeth with WMD to protect them from being eaten by hungry Palestinians...." goes the popular Western view.
Friends who have been to Palestine, even ones not really committed to the Palestinian cause, have come back aghast and stupified at the levels of depravity that the Jewish nation is willing to stoop too, seemingly learning nothing from it's own brutal beginning.

It's all so fucked up. I can't even raise a slight smile when I think of the idiocy of Olmert and the rest of the rotten, corrupt shits that have turned Israel into a state of permanent war, bloating themselves while their people struggle.
The worst part is that the Israeli people are suffering too, although it's nothing compared to the ghetto disgrace that the abused-turned-abusers are subjecting the Palestinians to.
The Angry Arab has some interesting critic on the situation, but globally, the poor bloody Palestinians are being used, as they always have, as bait to keep the Israeli beast roaring and showing it's fangs, enabling the Arab regimes around this shitty little lump of land in the Muddle East to keep their plebians looking angrily out at Israel, and not in at their own leaders pilfering and lack of reform.
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

The repetitive shit going down from the fascist elements like Liebermann's crypto-nazi party and the shills who want the WHOLE of Palestine and TOTAL control over Jerusalem, as well as some nifty lampshades made from Palestinian children, and the desperate but ineffective and ultimately self-destructive firing of Kassam rockets from the Hamas and other factions from their prison of the Gaza strip is frustrating in it's niihlism.

I want so desperately to see the UN form a wall of steel around Gaza, shooting down any fucking IDF plane that tries to go supersonic over the strip for a laugh as Palestinian childrens ears burst with the sonic boom, and see the aid agencies get Hamas and Fatah fighters to pitch in and rebuild the ruins of their homes.
Instead of wasting money on some more nuclear deterrent (against WHO !!) I'd like to see a fraction of the NATO budget rebuild the airport of Gaza, and this time arm it with AA missiles if the Israelis attempt to destroy it again, as they have for almost all of Gaza's infrastructure, paid with out of our taxes and donations.
The bitching and moaning from Israel can be slapped down and they can conform to the UN resolution, or face embargo. Fuck them. If the serious, sensible Israeli people who want peace are unable to do anything about the filthy corrupt shits in power, then they suffer the same fate that they're so eager to give the Palestinians. They want to play "nuclear armed", we'll show them Masada.
Take off the gloves and get these people sitting down, evacuate the colonies, free the non-convicted Palestinians and ALL the women and children, and especially Marwan Barghouti,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwan_Barghouti
and return the Israeli soldiers captured during the Lebanon fiasco, ground the IDF, or insist it respect international air-space frontiers and shoot the motherkillers down if they don't comply, and get some common sense going. Link the Gaza strip with Cisjordanie, rebuild the Parliment, recognise Hamas as a valid political entity entitled to it's voice as a representation of the Palestinian citizens that voted for them in free and democratic elections (that's what it's all about, isn't it ? Democracy in the Muddle East ?)
Never forget thet the Stern Gang and the Irgun were terrorists too, with blood on their hands. Organise a democratic vote for an interim government, and let the Palestinian people choose, this time with a free and independent Marwan Barghouti in the running, to rid the corruption and pilfering of Abbas, and apease the fanaticism of Hamas, and who is also an ideal interlocuter with Israel.
The brave people of Israel and Palestine who have realised that peace will only come when Israel is held accountable to international law and reason and the weapons are silenced need all the help we can give them.

It's either that or a long, slow suicide of both people, all brothers and sisters in blood.

I'm not a pro-Zionist, but as an initial matter I think that firing rockets at random at non-military targets is also a war crime.

Jubal, the Qassam rockets are homemade lumps of explosive trash that are crude and ineffective, a kind of slingshot stone to the bulk of Goliath's armored might.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket

The sheer difference in victim numbers is the difference. The ratio is nearly 10:1, and it's not the occupier that is doing the dying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Intifada#Casualties
http://www.btselem.org/English/

Jubal, I'm nowhere near being an Israel hater, but Olmert and the likes of Liebermann and the "Hilltop Youth" and all this other proto-nazi trash need a DAMN good spanking.
They bring nothing but death and destruction, and by the persistant tit-for-tat idiocy of BOTH sides, it's a permanent escalation which I see as only getting far, far worse.
So far the Palestinians have maintained a semblance of resistance by firing their sputtering glorified fireworks over the Zion Wall for the vain propaganda value that they are NOT just slaves in the ghetto and WILL fight back, and all the while struggling to assert either the Hamas or the Fatah as dominent ideological leadership of the Palestinian people.
They hold some of the blame, too, for the mess they are in, but the bulk of the problem comes from Israeli arrogance and snubbing of International law and UN resolutions, as well as the collosal conceit of the burning-in-Hell Sharon and his corrupt successor, Idiot Olmert and the neocon impulsion of Netan-yahoo ! and the grim little shits swarming around his ankles....

The non-resolution by peaceful means of this conflict is the cancer that is rotting us all from within.
It needs solving, it needs solving NOW.
Two states, separated by the UN until they've grown up a bit, and Jerusalem as a UN administered World Religious Heritage City with equal funding and participation in UNARMED policing by all the cults that have a bit of holy dirt there, and a link between Gaza and Cisjordanie.
Once this festering boil on all our butts' is lanced, I think we'll all be amazed at just how saner the World becomes.

Anything that crushes the neocon cockroaches lust for permanent war pat's my pet goat on the head.....

Ridiculous argument. A war crime is a war crime whether you kill one innocent civilian or 10,000.


Interesting characterization of deliberate attacks on innocent civilians. Exactly what is your problem with the Israelis? That they're brutal, or that they're good at it? I'd like to see the "incompetence" defence raised at a war crimes trial someday.


Yeah, I seem to remember some of their fearless, patriotic leaders turning down the offer of a two-state solution a while back.


As long as it's not my people, nor my money, except for the few bucks I'm willing to kick in as a goodwill gesture.

"War crime".
The Resistance in France were guilty of this, as were the Colonials who sniped the British officers and behaved in a jolly ungentlemanly fashion.
Most of the Qassams are lobbed into colonies which are illegal under International law. The Palestinians bombard their own land. If the zionist colonists weren't there, they wouldn't get hit.

I wouldn't mind arming both sides with equivalent weapons delivery systems and letting them rip. That would be one way to solve the problem. Unfortunately (!) that's against my convictions...

The Israeli leadership is the problem. Not the Israeli people. The last elections they voted in a Labour government, and somehow ended up with Idiot Olmert and the Corruption and War gang running the show. Doh !!
Incompetent ? Hell yeah. The report on the "Saving soldier Gilhad" war in Gaza and the "Wag the Olmert" distraction in The Lebanon is coming out, and it shows up some profound levels of stupidity not seen since the neocons suckered America into liberating the Iraqi oil and starting the Eternal war...

Look a bit closer at what Arafat was offered, it sounds OK, but when you unwrap the glossy packaging, it's just the same old shit.
Again, I make it sound simple, and of course, it's not, but there are solutions, but as long as the neocons draw breath and Olmert stays out of the prison he and the rest of the corrupt warmongerers deserve, and as long as the West pays lip-service to the idea of Democracy due to the ignorance perpetuated by it's "free" press , the killing and ghettoisation of the Gaza strip and martyrisation of the Palestinian people will remain locked into this ghastly status-quo, until even we are numbed by the horror...

If you're saying that the weaker of the two belligerents, or the less official of the two belligerents, or the more left of the two belligerents, or just the one you like better, should not have to follow the laws of war, I'd appreciate a clear statement of that.

"The other side are even bigger bastards than we are!" is a pretty poor defence, legally and morally.

Then those who committed these acts should be held accountable at a war-crimes tribunal should all those accused of war crimes.

I agree, Jubal.
Two wrongs don't make a right, all that stuff.
No, the Palestinians should not be launching rockets at possible civil targets inside their territory.

They should be fighting with tanks, helicopter gunships, jets and laser-guided weapons.

Seriously, what would you do ?

You've been kicked off your land, you've been forced into one of the most crowded parts of the planet, unemployment is at 80 % or more, all your infrastructure has been destroyed, you've seen the Great and Good sign papers saying that Israel should return your land and olive-groves to you, and seen it completely ignored by the zionist state.
You've had one of the Holiest sites in your religion insulted by a fat old war criminal who is seemingly immune to prosecution, unlike the nazis that your belligerent neighbors rattle on about how they "hunted them down like animals for war-crimes", you are constantly humiliated by heavily armed soldiers who have arrested most of your family and flung them without charge into crowded prisons where you cannot visit them, due to being identified as a "terrorist" because you threw stones at Israeli armored bulldozers as they crushed Ahmeds house, after killing his mother and sister because they missed their target with their multi-million dollar guided bomb, causing him, your best friend, to strap on the Belt and detonate himself in a blind fury in a sidewalk café surrounded by the arrogant occupiers.

Now you wait for the twilight, rocket heavy at your side, breathing harsh in your ears, ready to strike a blow back at the faceless olive-green monster that has leeched all hope out, removed all reason to carry on living, crushed your will when you attempted to play the game by "their" rules, and voted in the people who you hoped could really change things, voted out the corrupt thieves who were bleeding your people dry, only to see the West turn it's back on your nation, because they didn't like the people you had voted for..........

What choice do you have ?
Lie down and let them have their way with you, or try and make some small cry, some flash of your frustration and anger against the cold indifference of your God.

I think a Qassam is a small mercy, myself, Jubal.
Because once these people get pissed off beyond all reason as the status-quo drags on, then a Qassam will be a small storm in a teacup.
Look at the youth of the Palestinians. There is a lot of hate building up there. Many of these kids have grown up knowing only the Intifada, it's their whole universe, their multiverse. It's all they know. That is a terrifying legion of death, unless we stop pissing around and stop this suicidal self-destruction, and yes, that means accepting the UN resolutions and probably removing the neocons and fascists from any part of the Israeli power structure where they can wreck their mischief.
It's in Israels best interest.
Either that or they better get ready to kill every Palestinian and Palestinian sympathiser and eradicate all trace of the Palestinians from History.
A final solution, as it were......

The world is full of angry, stupid, people, some of them just have bigger guns.


Both sides are in desperate need of a strong leader, but who is not to stubborn to admit wrongdoing and correct mistakes.

If you limit yourself to those two alternatives, there will be no change.