Seems my state, Washington does still have the Caucus process and did not adopt the primary election.
I coulda swore! Musta been some serious discussion someplace.
http://www.wa-democrats.org/caucusinfo?r=37403&s=46
Anyway, seems that Saturday Feburary the 9th at 1pm, I'm gonna have to go Caucus! Can't let TJ have ALL the fun!
I'm in a district that is in the eastern part of the county, right at the western end of the Columbia Gorge, which tends to be fairly conservative, though there has been a lot of growth in the area which means new people, so it should be an interesting afternoon.
Full Version: Believe it or not, I was wrong!
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Tuesday, 22 January 2008, 11:42 pm) 
Seems my state, Washington does still have the Caucus process and did not adopt the primary election.
I coulda swore! Musta been some serious discussion someplace.
http://www.wa-democrats.org/caucusinfo?r=37403&s=46
Anyway, seems that Saturday Feburary the 9th at 1pm, I'm gonna have to go Caucus! Can't let TJ have ALL the fun!
I'm in a district that is in the eastern part of the county, right at the western end of the Columbia Gorge, which tends to be fairly conservative, though there has been a lot of growth in the area which means new people, so it should be an interesting afternoon.
I coulda swore! Musta been some serious discussion someplace.
http://www.wa-democrats.org/caucusinfo?r=37403&s=46
Anyway, seems that Saturday Feburary the 9th at 1pm, I'm gonna have to go Caucus! Can't let TJ have ALL the fun!
I'm in a district that is in the eastern part of the county, right at the western end of the Columbia Gorge, which tends to be fairly conservative, though there has been a lot of growth in the area which means new people, so it should be an interesting afternoon.
Wrong? You? Not possible.
QUOTE(Abell9 @ Tuesday, 22 January 2008, 9:50 pm)
Wrong? You? Not possible.
Oh yeah. But til I met YOU guys I didn't have to talk about it much!
DAMN!!!!!! I all but nominated you for "Poster of the YEAR" and you go throw a wrench into my illusion of your mental supremecy...damn....this hurts.
Guess Ill just nominate you for Most prolific poster of the ye....never mind.....your all over it.
Guess Ill just nominate you for Most prolific poster of the ye....never mind.....your all over it.
I sympathise, Sky. Those recto-cranial infarctions can really hurt. Or so I'm told.
QUOTE(Jubal @ Wednesday, 23 January 2008, 5:10 am)
I sympathise, Sky. Those recto-cranial infarctions can really hurt. Or so I'm told.
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Tuesday, 22 January 2008, 11:42 pm)
Believe it or not, I was wrong about almost everything I have ever said on this board!
Fixed that for ya.
QUOTE(gkh6 @ Friday, 25 January 2008, 2:49 pm)
Fixed that for ya.
No, you fixed it for you!
And of that I am quite correct!
Washington State HAS BOTH, Caucus's and a Primary election!
Thursday, January 24, 2008 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
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Can state's primary create momentum?
By Susan Gilmore
Seattle Times staff reporter
What do you call a presidential primary where none of the Democratic delegates and just half of the Republican delegates are at stake?
Significant, says Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed.
Because Washington's primary is Feb. 19, just two weeks after 24 states hold their primaries on Super Tuesday, "Washington voters will be right in the thick of it," Reed said Wednesday as he toured the state promoting the primary.
Even though Democrats won't allot delegates based on the primary, Reed said the vote will create momentum for the winners.
Not everyone shares his enthusiasm for the primary, though.
"Sam Reed is deliberately misleading the people of Washington state about the nature of this process," said state Democratic Party Chairman Dwight Pelz.
All Democratic and half the Republican delegates will be allocated during caucuses Feb. 9 — 10 days before the primary. Pelz said that makes the caucuses far more important than the primary, which he likened to a beauty pageant.
He faults Reed for promoting the primary over the caucuses.
The Legislature adopted the presidential primary in 1989, after a 1988 initiative.
But the Democratic Party has never allocated its delegates through the primary, relying instead on caucuses.
Republicans used the primary to allocate all of their delegates in 1992, half of the delegates in 1996 and a third in 2000. This year, the primary will determine just more than half the Republican delegates.
The Legislature canceled the 2004 primary, saying it would be expensive and largely meaningless.
Primary ballots will be mailed next week. Although Republican Fred Thompson and Democrats Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson have dropped out of the race, their names still will be on the ballot, Reed said.
Reed said he doesn't have a turnout prediction and won't make one until after Feb. 5, Super Tuesday. He said if one candidate appears to have a party's nomination sewed up by then, turnout here will likely be low.
"But if the super primary narrows the field to the top two or three candidates for each party, Washington's presidential primary could be pivotal in selecting party nominees," Reed said.
He expects the candidates will campaign in the state, but Pelz said it's the caucuses, not the primary, that will draw candidates.
"They don't go to beauty-pageant states," he said. "They go to delegate states."
In the 2000 presidential primary, Reed said, 37 percent of voters picked a Republican ballot, 23 percent picked a Democratic ballot and 40 percent went with an unaffiliated ballot, on which voters didn't have to declare their party preference.
The Legislature eliminated the unaffiliated ballot last year, so voters will have to pick either a Republican or Democratic ballot. Voters also must sign an oath declaring they have not participated in the opposing party's caucuses.
Voters can participate in both the caucuses and the primary, as long as they stick with the same party.
Susan Gilmore: 206-464-2054 or sgilmore@seattletimes.com
Copyright © 2008 The Seattle Times Company
Thursday, January 24, 2008 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
Permission to reprint or copy this article or photo, other than personal use, must be obtained from The Seattle Times. Call 206-464-3113 or e-mail resale@seattletimes.com with your request.
Can state's primary create momentum?
By Susan Gilmore
Seattle Times staff reporter
What do you call a presidential primary where none of the Democratic delegates and just half of the Republican delegates are at stake?
Significant, says Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed.
Because Washington's primary is Feb. 19, just two weeks after 24 states hold their primaries on Super Tuesday, "Washington voters will be right in the thick of it," Reed said Wednesday as he toured the state promoting the primary.
Even though Democrats won't allot delegates based on the primary, Reed said the vote will create momentum for the winners.
Not everyone shares his enthusiasm for the primary, though.
"Sam Reed is deliberately misleading the people of Washington state about the nature of this process," said state Democratic Party Chairman Dwight Pelz.
All Democratic and half the Republican delegates will be allocated during caucuses Feb. 9 — 10 days before the primary. Pelz said that makes the caucuses far more important than the primary, which he likened to a beauty pageant.
He faults Reed for promoting the primary over the caucuses.
The Legislature adopted the presidential primary in 1989, after a 1988 initiative.
But the Democratic Party has never allocated its delegates through the primary, relying instead on caucuses.
Republicans used the primary to allocate all of their delegates in 1992, half of the delegates in 1996 and a third in 2000. This year, the primary will determine just more than half the Republican delegates.
The Legislature canceled the 2004 primary, saying it would be expensive and largely meaningless.
Primary ballots will be mailed next week. Although Republican Fred Thompson and Democrats Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson have dropped out of the race, their names still will be on the ballot, Reed said.
Reed said he doesn't have a turnout prediction and won't make one until after Feb. 5, Super Tuesday. He said if one candidate appears to have a party's nomination sewed up by then, turnout here will likely be low.
"But if the super primary narrows the field to the top two or three candidates for each party, Washington's presidential primary could be pivotal in selecting party nominees," Reed said.
He expects the candidates will campaign in the state, but Pelz said it's the caucuses, not the primary, that will draw candidates.
"They don't go to beauty-pageant states," he said. "They go to delegate states."
In the 2000 presidential primary, Reed said, 37 percent of voters picked a Republican ballot, 23 percent picked a Democratic ballot and 40 percent went with an unaffiliated ballot, on which voters didn't have to declare their party preference.
The Legislature eliminated the unaffiliated ballot last year, so voters will have to pick either a Republican or Democratic ballot. Voters also must sign an oath declaring they have not participated in the opposing party's caucuses.
Voters can participate in both the caucuses and the primary, as long as they stick with the same party.
Susan Gilmore: 206-464-2054 or sgilmore@seattletimes.com
Copyright © 2008 The Seattle Times Company
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Friday, 25 January 2008, 9:53 pm)
Washington State HAS BOTH, Caucus's and a Primary election!
Thursday, January 24, 2008 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
Permission to reprint or copy this article or photo, other than personal use, must be obtained from The Seattle Times. Call 206-464-3113 or e-mail resale@seattletimes.com with your request.
Can state's primary create momentum?
By Susan Gilmore
Seattle Times staff reporter
What do you call a presidential primary where none of the Democratic delegates and just half of the Republican delegates are at stake?
Significant, says Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed.
Because Washington's primary is Feb. 19, just two weeks after 24 states hold their primaries on Super Tuesday, "Washington voters will be right in the thick of it," Reed said Wednesday as he toured the state promoting the primary.
Even though Democrats won't allot delegates based on the primary, Reed said the vote will create momentum for the winners.
Not everyone shares his enthusiasm for the primary, though.
"Sam Reed is deliberately misleading the people of Washington state about the nature of this process," said state Democratic Party Chairman Dwight Pelz.
All Democratic and half the Republican delegates will be allocated during caucuses Feb. 9 — 10 days before the primary. Pelz said that makes the caucuses far more important than the primary, which he likened to a beauty pageant.
He faults Reed for promoting the primary over the caucuses.
The Legislature adopted the presidential primary in 1989, after a 1988 initiative.
But the Democratic Party has never allocated its delegates through the primary, relying instead on caucuses.
Republicans used the primary to allocate all of their delegates in 1992, half of the delegates in 1996 and a third in 2000. This year, the primary will determine just more than half the Republican delegates.
The Legislature canceled the 2004 primary, saying it would be expensive and largely meaningless.
Primary ballots will be mailed next week. Although Republican Fred Thompson and Democrats Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson have dropped out of the race, their names still will be on the ballot, Reed said.
Reed said he doesn't have a turnout prediction and won't make one until after Feb. 5, Super Tuesday. He said if one candidate appears to have a party's nomination sewed up by then, turnout here will likely be low.
"But if the super primary narrows the field to the top two or three candidates for each party, Washington's presidential primary could be pivotal in selecting party nominees," Reed said.
He expects the candidates will campaign in the state, but Pelz said it's the caucuses, not the primary, that will draw candidates.
"They don't go to beauty-pageant states," he said. "They go to delegate states."
In the 2000 presidential primary, Reed said, 37 percent of voters picked a Republican ballot, 23 percent picked a Democratic ballot and 40 percent went with an unaffiliated ballot, on which voters didn't have to declare their party preference.
The Legislature eliminated the unaffiliated ballot last year, so voters will have to pick either a Republican or Democratic ballot. Voters also must sign an oath declaring they have not participated in the opposing party's caucuses.
Voters can participate in both the caucuses and the primary, as long as they stick with the same party.
Susan Gilmore: 206-464-2054 or sgilmore@seattletimes.com
Copyright © 2008 The Seattle Times Company
Thursday, January 24, 2008 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
Permission to reprint or copy this article or photo, other than personal use, must be obtained from The Seattle Times. Call 206-464-3113 or e-mail resale@seattletimes.com with your request.
Can state's primary create momentum?
By Susan Gilmore
Seattle Times staff reporter
What do you call a presidential primary where none of the Democratic delegates and just half of the Republican delegates are at stake?
Significant, says Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed.
Because Washington's primary is Feb. 19, just two weeks after 24 states hold their primaries on Super Tuesday, "Washington voters will be right in the thick of it," Reed said Wednesday as he toured the state promoting the primary.
Even though Democrats won't allot delegates based on the primary, Reed said the vote will create momentum for the winners.
Not everyone shares his enthusiasm for the primary, though.
"Sam Reed is deliberately misleading the people of Washington state about the nature of this process," said state Democratic Party Chairman Dwight Pelz.
All Democratic and half the Republican delegates will be allocated during caucuses Feb. 9 — 10 days before the primary. Pelz said that makes the caucuses far more important than the primary, which he likened to a beauty pageant.
He faults Reed for promoting the primary over the caucuses.
The Legislature adopted the presidential primary in 1989, after a 1988 initiative.
But the Democratic Party has never allocated its delegates through the primary, relying instead on caucuses.
Republicans used the primary to allocate all of their delegates in 1992, half of the delegates in 1996 and a third in 2000. This year, the primary will determine just more than half the Republican delegates.
The Legislature canceled the 2004 primary, saying it would be expensive and largely meaningless.
Primary ballots will be mailed next week. Although Republican Fred Thompson and Democrats Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson have dropped out of the race, their names still will be on the ballot, Reed said.
Reed said he doesn't have a turnout prediction and won't make one until after Feb. 5, Super Tuesday. He said if one candidate appears to have a party's nomination sewed up by then, turnout here will likely be low.
"But if the super primary narrows the field to the top two or three candidates for each party, Washington's presidential primary could be pivotal in selecting party nominees," Reed said.
He expects the candidates will campaign in the state, but Pelz said it's the caucuses, not the primary, that will draw candidates.
"They don't go to beauty-pageant states," he said. "They go to delegate states."
In the 2000 presidential primary, Reed said, 37 percent of voters picked a Republican ballot, 23 percent picked a Democratic ballot and 40 percent went with an unaffiliated ballot, on which voters didn't have to declare their party preference.
The Legislature eliminated the unaffiliated ballot last year, so voters will have to pick either a Republican or Democratic ballot. Voters also must sign an oath declaring they have not participated in the opposing party's caucuses.
Voters can participate in both the caucuses and the primary, as long as they stick with the same party.
Susan Gilmore: 206-464-2054 or sgilmore@seattletimes.com
Copyright © 2008 The Seattle Times Company
you know, it's nice that you tried to admit a mistake, but it took you less than a day to figure out how you could be right...
Next time, maybe you should do your reasearch.
no one who gives you shit here wants you to admit that you were wrong on an issue like this...
no one challenged you on this...
It's your presumption that you know all about everything and no one can challenge your undying support for the democratic party that gives most people a problem...
They may not read your occasional post that shows that you distrust your leaders like the rest of us do...
your push for edwards is enough for me to know that you won't stand for the neo-blue-pugs anymore, but if you recognized the justified anger of those people who feel betrayed by the people they voted for, you might not encounter as much anger here...
the again, that may be exactly what your driving at...
what's it all about sky?
QUOTE(seuss @ Friday, 25 January 2008, 7:17 pm)
what's it all about sky?
Sometimes, it's just about lightening up, try it sometime.
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Friday, 25 January 2008, 10:19 pm)
Sometimes, it's just about lightening up, try it sometime.
I have, and it makes it easier for me... temporarily. In the long-view, I find the best thing to do is to stand by those things that I find most important, and realize the difference between rash, intolerant, and solely emotionally based decisions, and decisions that make the most sense in the long term. This makes any mobility that occurs vertical, rather than horizontal
I'm not saying that this is the opposite of all you've been doing, and I assume you've been doing a lot, but there's a contrary flavor to much of your posting, and the "optimism" can sometimes seem like, well... ignorance. I don't mean to imply that you're ignorant. You're obviously NOT ignorant, and in truth, well informed on just about any us political issue that might grace this stage.
QUOTE(seuss @ Friday, 25 January 2008, 7:33 pm)
I have, and it makes it easier for me... temporarily. In the long-view, I find the best thing to do is to stand by those things that I find most important, and realize the difference between rash, intolerant, and solely emotionally based decisions, and decisions that make the most sense in the long term. This makes any mobility that occurs vertical, rather than horizontal
I'm not saying that this is the opposite of all you've been doing, and I assume you've been doing a lot, but there's a contrary flavor to much of your posting, and the "optimism" can sometimes seem like, well... ignorance. I don't mean to imply that you're ignorant. You're obviously NOT ignorant, and in truth, well informed on just about any us political issue that might grace this stage.
I'm not saying that this is the opposite of all you've been doing, and I assume you've been doing a lot, but there's a contrary flavor to much of your posting, and the "optimism" can sometimes seem like, well... ignorance. I don't mean to imply that you're ignorant. You're obviously NOT ignorant, and in truth, well informed on just about any us political issue that might grace this stage.
That is your opinion and you are certainly welcome to it.
Just keep in mind though that all you know for certain is the text in front of you.
The rest is assumed, usually based on aspects in your own life. What you think you see, is not real, it's a perception, and because all you can see is text, the perception comes from, where? Your perception may or may not have some degree of accuracy, but because all you can see it text, you can't know that truth either.
In other words, it appears to me that you have misjudged my efforts here, and I have two conclusions.
1] those that get it, great, those who don't, not my problem.
2] if I try to explain it, I also have to assume precariously.
So, have we discussed the esoterics of text communications sufficiently?
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