Full Version: Goldberg's victims attack
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/wingnut.htm
Not as amusing as the others. Actually, kind of sad. This guy read Jonah Goldberg's book and swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
I loathe nothing more than using fudging history as a political tool.
It just makes me so mad!
GAAAH!
Okay,calm down, breathe, just breathe.
Yeah, it wouldn't bug me so much if our educational system was more up to par. Goldberg'd be laughed off the press.
It's funny... if you cover your eyes so you can't see any of the differences between communism and fascism, then fascism looks just like communism...
...Goldberg's onto something... 
...Goldberg's on
Great work on this issue, TJ.
It's amazing how anxious some are to reveal their ignorance.
I perused another thread earlier (now closed to comment), and was impressed with the organization of your responses.
Cheers.
It's amazing how anxious some are to reveal their ignorance.
I perused another thread earlier (now closed to comment), and was impressed with the organization of your responses.
Cheers.
It's tragic, really. 
I used to think it was just one person who wrote all over the internet, on every board that posed the slightest criticism of the glorious march towards facism so willed by the neocons, because they all sounded the same. Same spelling errors, and same myopic naval-gazing and total disconnection from reality. I even though, briefly, that it was just Jack, parodying the average reich-wing neoconned dumb-bat and having a laugh at all their earnest conservative lusting for a good dictator to tell them what to think and do.
But now I wonder. Maybe they've been cloned ?
Jonah Goldberg as well. Hah ha ! I'd use him as a source for proof that cretinous stupidity and complete missinterpretation of everything CAN be combined with someone who seemingly had an education and knows how to spell.
Being ignorant is natural, but stupidity and raving cretinous idiocy like Goldberg needs years of experience and a great deal of work to sink down to such limits of depravity.
I used to think it was just one person who wrote all over the internet, on every board that posed the slightest criticism of the glorious march towards facism so willed by the neocons, because they all sounded the same. Same spelling errors, and same myopic naval-gazing and total disconnection from reality. I even though, briefly, that it was just Jack, parodying the average reich-wing neoconned dumb-bat and having a laugh at all their earnest conservative lusting for a good dictator to tell them what to think and do.
But now I wonder. Maybe they've been cloned ?
Jonah Goldberg as well. Hah ha ! I'd use him as a source for proof that cretinous stupidity and complete missinterpretation of everything CAN be combined with someone who seemingly had an education and knows how to spell.
Being ignorant is natural, but stupidity and raving cretinous idiocy like Goldberg needs years of experience and a great deal of work to sink down to such limits of depravity.
QUOTE(POAC @ Thursday, 17 January 2008, 5:34 pm) 
Yeah, it wouldn't bug me so much if our educational system was more up to par. Goldberg'd be laughed off the press.
I'd fail this guy faster than he could say "Liberal Elitist".
You can't possibly imagine (actually you probably could judging from this hate mail) how tired I get of having to explain to students that that Nixon was a megalomaniac, Reagan did not single handedly defeat the Soviets, we didn't win the Vietnam war ect.
Wiki say's this about Benito:
"Some critics equate too much corporate power and influence with fascism. Often they cite a quote claimed to be from Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." Several variations of the alleged quote exist. However the veracity of this quote is highly doubtful since the most common cited texts for the quote do not contain anything like this alleged quote.[1]. Despite this, the alleged quote has entered into modern discourse, and it appears on thousands of web pages [2], and in books [3], and even an alternative media advertisement in the Washington Post.[4]. However, the alleged quote contradicts almost everything else written by Mussolini on the subject of the relationship between corporations and the Fascist State.[5"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#I...t_corporativism
Hmmmmm...
"Some critics equate too much corporate power and influence with fascism. Often they cite a quote claimed to be from Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." Several variations of the alleged quote exist. However the veracity of this quote is highly doubtful since the most common cited texts for the quote do not contain anything like this alleged quote.[1]. Despite this, the alleged quote has entered into modern discourse, and it appears on thousands of web pages [2], and in books [3], and even an alternative media advertisement in the Washington Post.[4]. However, the alleged quote contradicts almost everything else written by Mussolini on the subject of the relationship between corporations and the Fascist State.[5"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#I...t_corporativism
Hmmmmm...
Wikipedia is not an academic source. However the point is that excessive liberalism is not facism, it more closely resemble excessive conservatism.
Although from the same article you are quoting there is the following.
Although from the same article you are quoting there is the following.
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In Italian Fascism, this non-elected form of state "officializing" of every interest into the state was professed to better circumvent the marginalization of singular interests (as would allegedly happen by the unilateral end condition inherent in the democratic voting process). Corporativism would instead better recognize or 'incorporate' every divergent interest as it stands alone into the state "organically", according to its supporters, thus being the inspiration behind their use of the term totalitarian, perceivable to them as not meaning a coercive system but described distinctly as without coercion in the 1932 Doctrine of Fascism as thus;
"… (The state) is not simply a mechanism which limits the sphere of the supposed liberties of the individual…" & "…Neither has the Fascist conception of authority anything in common with that of a police ridden State…" but rather clearly connoting "…Far from crushing the individual, the Fascist State multiplies his energies, just as in a regiment a soldier is not diminished but multiplied by the number of his fellow soldiers…"
This prospect in Italian Fascist Corporativism claimed to be the direct heir of Georges Sorel's anarcho-syndicalism, wherein each interest was to form as its own entity with separate organizing parameters according to their own standards, only however within the corporative model of Italian Fascism each was supposed to be incorporated through the auspices and organizing ability of a statist construct. This was by their reasoning the only possible way to achieve such a function, i.e. when resolved in the capability of an indissoluble state.
"… (The state) is not simply a mechanism which limits the sphere of the supposed liberties of the individual…" & "…Neither has the Fascist conception of authority anything in common with that of a police ridden State…" but rather clearly connoting "…Far from crushing the individual, the Fascist State multiplies his energies, just as in a regiment a soldier is not diminished but multiplied by the number of his fellow soldiers…"
This prospect in Italian Fascist Corporativism claimed to be the direct heir of Georges Sorel's anarcho-syndicalism, wherein each interest was to form as its own entity with separate organizing parameters according to their own standards, only however within the corporative model of Italian Fascism each was supposed to be incorporated through the auspices and organizing ability of a statist construct. This was by their reasoning the only possible way to achieve such a function, i.e. when resolved in the capability of an indissoluble state.
QUOTE(Jesus! @ Friday, 18 January 2008, 10:56 am)
Wiki say's this about Benito:
"Some critics equate too much corporate power and influence with fascism. Often they cite a quote claimed to be from Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." Several variations of the alleged quote exist. However the veracity of this quote is highly doubtful since the most common cited texts for the quote do not contain anything like this alleged quote.[1]. Despite this, the alleged quote has entered into modern discourse, and it appears on thousands of web pages [2], and in books [3], and even an alternative media advertisement in the Washington Post.[4]. However, the alleged quote contradicts almost everything else written by Mussolini on the subject of the relationship between corporations and the Fascist State.[5"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#I...t_corporativism
Hmmmmm...
"Some critics equate too much corporate power and influence with fascism. Often they cite a quote claimed to be from Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." Several variations of the alleged quote exist. However the veracity of this quote is highly doubtful since the most common cited texts for the quote do not contain anything like this alleged quote.[1]. Despite this, the alleged quote has entered into modern discourse, and it appears on thousands of web pages [2], and in books [3], and even an alternative media advertisement in the Washington Post.[4]. However, the alleged quote contradicts almost everything else written by Mussolini on the subject of the relationship between corporations and the Fascist State.[5"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#I...t_corporativism
Hmmmmm...
At the beginning of my flash presentation I have the actual source of that quote. I'll see if i can find it...
Here it is
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/kstreet.swf
and thanks for the previous compliment
Thank you for the replies.
Benito was more of a mouthpiece for the Italian fascist movement, he was not as central to his movement as Hitler was to Nazism.
They were still both hyper-conservative putzes though.
Excessive liberalism leads more to anarchy.
They were still both hyper-conservative putzes though.
Excessive liberalism leads more to anarchy.
Not sure where you're standing, here, Jesus ?
It's pretty obvious to "ani fule" that Fascism and Communism are as different as chalk and cheese, and as alike as peas in a pod. Possibly it's the jackboots.
This is probably why Goldswine was confused. Linear reich-wing thought (oxymoron...) coupled with confusion and PERHAPS some crypto-agenda to shuffle the sheeple away from the obvious reality that the neocons are all hideous fascists...
Also Marx was mentioned in the article, and this may have triggered Goldberg's "cherry-picking" synapses....
It's pretty obvious to "ani fule" that Fascism and Communism are as different as chalk and cheese, and as alike as peas in a pod. Possibly it's the jackboots.
This is probably why Goldswine was confused. Linear reich-wing thought (oxymoron...) coupled with confusion and PERHAPS some crypto-agenda to shuffle the sheeple away from the obvious reality that the neocons are all hideous fascists...
Also Marx was mentioned in the article, and this may have triggered Goldberg's "cherry-picking" synapses....
We are all students now, friend.
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