I'M BACK! I'M BACK! After a long absense from the forum, I have returned to spread the evil our future president will be and much worse than the "little poison ivy BUSH" we have had the past 7 years. Ladies and gentlemen, you have witness from the streets and cornfields of Iowa, what will take place these coming months in the United States of America...another crumb....... Mike Huckabee



from a Red state that thinks he's God #2, and believes we should go back to the biblical times...have the women to be barefoot, pregnant, and slave for their men. This is the gospel speakings of the "Promise Keepers" that will propel this "radical" red neck into office come November 2008. Mark my words. Here's why..

ASSOCIATION:

This worn that crawled out from under a rock, probably have one of the best campaign managers you will find. He knows how to paint the graffiti for the religious idiots, whore mongers, wife beaters, screw your neighbor, beer slopers, NASCAR fanatics, republican throwbacks, shit kicking music dreamers...all about Association...
When Huckabee gets on stage...plucking the guitar, this is right up "Red States" alley... the voting booths will be over filled with these drooling at the mouth associators.

No need to spend the money to counter with a democrat, as I see it...swamp man Huckabee will take 63% of the nations voters, and win 37 states.

Hi Kingfisher !
Welcome back.

Yup, Mike Fuckabee is a scary and disturbing piece of work indeed. Is there somewhere that breeds this kind of idiocy, or is it a learned trait ?
Seriously, it was only 5 voters who gave this hucky guy with his dog-torturing children the Iowa caucus, because surely there can't be more than 10 people in the entire state stupid enough to be Republicans, and apparently 3 others voted for Mutt Romney, 1 for Dr Ron Who, and the last one voted for Reagan.

I'm totally opposed to nuclear warfare, but I wonder about the wisdom of maybe organising a big rally in Whitesands for all the people who support throwback hicks like this, then nuking them with a low yeild device. Hey, they want to see God, and drag us along with them, I'm all for being polite and letting them go first.
I'm so sick of regressive fucking god-botherers who have left all sense and traces of intelligence at the door. They bring nothing, absolutely nothing, not a squeak, not a single useful thing to all of Humanity. They don't do art, music, theatre, poetry or good food. All they offer is hymm singing, bigotry, fear, intolerance and crushing, desperate stupidity that hasn't been seen since the last Lemming chucked itself off a cliff.

We live in interesting times....

You certainly have that right, Rousseau. It is a most interesting times in this world.

You ask, "where does these breeds come from"? I would like to find the cave they breed in, and take a flamethrower and use it to quash the growth of these "worthless than tits on a boar hog" people.

These throwbacks are the same/offspring's that sent Reagan into office, George H. W. Bush, and his "what God should have made a recall" son. When all said and done, and the people of Iowa has to kneel and pray, thinking what did we do to put this radical in office... caucus for the wrong person would be the answer.

Welcome back!

The same folks that were largely responsible for and up to a a year or two ago were constantly taking credit for and who brought us George Bush, now want us to welcome and be please they like and suggest we vote for Huck!

huh?

Bushbots love the Huckster

"Stupid is as stupid does."

Huck seems to come from a similar "base" as GWB, only it's his kids who are the murdering psycopathic morons. I guess he's sort of an elder George Bushbot, only with less money, and not quite so many ties to the "Firm" or the oil rapists....

What is it that attracts people to these shallow, clueless, pathologically fragile and psychotic power-freaks with massive ideological hang-ups ? Is it their deodorant ? Their breath freshner ? Maybe it's the way Huck windmills that there geeetar that brings knee-shakes to restrained dames who remember Elvis ?

Maybe they drink Kool-aid..................

So much hate.....

Oh... I didn't know if king fisher had some history with sky.

Well that is a level pessimism i have never seen before. You make AFW look like Mr. Sunshine. I think maybe you need to take a deep breath and spend sometime clearing your head because thinking Huckabee would get 63% of the vote is...how do i say this nicely....fucking insane.

and this coming from a shrink in training!!

As members of the murdering psychopath community, maybe Abell and I should give Huck a closer look.

"So much hate....."

Abell, it's more frustration than hate. When I start hating, I won't go broadcasting it.

I was so optimistic at the end of the 90's, then all that seems to have happened is a dark tide of fear, manipulation, intolerance, paranoia and hatred that has surged up over us, for a myriad of reasons, most linked to power and wealth.
The gentle force of progressive thought, the swelling beauty of a real belief that we could shake off superstition and ignorance, understand our sprituality, and advance together towards a better planet for every living thing was so strong, but unlike other heady times, tempered by realism and a slighty cynical edge that gave me so much hope that it really could happen.....

Then came the neocons and their bush-puppet, and it's "eternal war" time.
You'll notice I don't wave around OBL as a cause for all the bad shit going down, because I think that if you look coldly and detachedly at the "evil terrorist menace" you'll see just how hollow and stupid it is, and how it's been spun and bloated out of all perspective, resuscitated from the dying embers it was slowly crumbling into by the busheviks and their desire for a non-existant "enemy" that had high nuisance value, but couldn't actually touch them, just their pawns, which then become cool propaganda pieces in this neocon idiot's version of the "Great Game".

The devoutly religious people (I don't want to call them ignorant and gullible, but that's my thinking..) who are swinging their shit behind such candidates as the Huckster and other sly dogs that spin the peoples gullibility and fear like a net to ensnare these voters who have such limited horizons that they are terrified of anyone different to their narrow and rigid indoctrination that they'll cling to a candidate who whispers the right words into their shallow ears, well, yeah, I despise their narrow, groundless moralising, their blind, dogmatic plodding, and their complete inability to understand anything that doesn't fit into their little cross-inlaid boxes.

If these people were like the Amish and kept to themselves, I wouldn't have the slightest problem, only respect.
But they don't.
Their current incumbent pResident is out trampling all over the Middle East, the people THEY elected, the neocons who suckered them completely, are fucking up our planet, their analcentric fascism is shrilling in my ears, and their dictatorial knee-jerkism refuses to listen to reason and rationality. What more can I do ? They stuck themselves in MY face, long before I ever bothered them.
Possibly my ranting against them will wind them up, get them angry. But the gentle words, the reasoned arguments, the direct discourse, it's all been tried, and these numbnuts are still plodding along, ears stuffed with cotton-wool propaganda and dogmatic drivel, eyes wide shut and brains idling. What more can I do ? They won't listen to reason, they may not listen to my ranting, whats left ?
The alternatives are there, none of them are nice.
They want to poke dogs with sticks, let them poke.

Well!, Jack it's like this.. When you have half of the states painted red, a few blue one's you can bet on, and the rest riding on a teetor-totter... what do you get when you have one... either Clinton, Edwards, or Obama in the fire pit to be rescued to fight it out with the likes of a Huckabee with his following crowd.. You lose!... and here's why.

In the Huckabee corner, his backers will be the radicals religious right fanatics, the associators of Chuck Norris, the wannabe's... "I wish I could play the guitar shit kickers" from all the red states, plus most of the blue ones. The Clinton haters, the racists----- I"hate blacks" followers, and 68 % of the white men will defeat Clinton, Obama in the general election.. That's how I arrive at the 63% and 37 states box.

Actually, Jubal and Abell, if more Conservatives were like you, do you think we'd be in this fine mess ?

I don't.

Seriously, can either of you associate your beliefs to the type of people who support the Huck, Rudy, McCain and Mitt ?

Look, i understand where you are coming from. You look at 2000 and 2004 and the only thing that you can think of is "what is fuck?" I mean George Bush over Al Gore or even John Kerry? Yeah, it is mind boggling but come on, this isn't the America of four years ago. What were your predictions for the 2006 elections? I remember a lot of people on our side saying that there is no way the democrats will ever gain either house. A lot of people even said they would continue to lose seats. Look at what happened. How many of their all star candidates were slaughtered? Look at what happened. A black liberal, who was against the Iraq War pulled in a massive amount of support in a red state? If the people of this country were enthusiastic about Huckabee or any of the republican candidates, than the democrats wouldn't have got twice support that the republicans got. This country isn't so brain dead that they will vote for the republicans out of habit. Things change and people learn. We are at a place where the republican expect 2008 to be worse than 2006. They only hold the presidency now and that person is the most unpopular since they started taking approval polls. The republicans hate all of their candidates and many are totally disillusioned with their party. So again, this isn't 2000, this isn't 2004, this isn't even 2006 anymore. Remember, optimism can take you far.

Fisher is one of the few people here that are older than me. I get along with the guy just fine.
See, one thing I like about older people, is that generally they listen and think more before they speak. Older people are much less likely to be reactionary or emotional. Older people almost always have a lifetime of experience and even though they have less time left, they tend to have less need for being in a hurry.


Unfortunately I don't agree with his assessment of Huck's presidential hopes.


BTW, welcome back King Fisher guy!

Right but think about how good he will feel that day after the democrat is elected.

And relieved!

Will I feel relieved... oh yes!... much so. Feeling good is all about when any democrat is elected president. I'll take anybody that claims to be a democrat over what we have experience the past 7 years.

Must I ask you, how would you feel waking up, and learn 4 mores years of republican rule?

You wouldn't want to go to Las Vegas with a lot of money, betting that...either Obama, Clinton, or Edwards will beat Huckabee. My first choice in Obama, a toss up on second...Clinton/Edwards.

It's like this... no black person will beat the religious fanatics, red necks from the south, and majority of white men ages 35-80. A woman will not beat Huckabee when the white men ages 25-95 vote... Just not in the cards.

So, Jack and Sky, what do you have left to push the wheel past the marker?

.....so little time.

So make the time, damn you!







Re Huck's Presidential hopes; I can't help but notice the turnout for the dems in Iowa was alost double the turnout for the pugs. Room for a little optimism there I think...

If it were to happen as you fear, I would have little choice and option but to become more terrestrially active in the politics. I think millions of people would equally feel compelled to do what they could do. I think you would see more emergence of the sorts of activism we saw in the 60's from the underground. I think you would see a deepening and widening of the political and philosophical split in this country, and it could become virally electric.

I would also be very sad and depressed. Disturbed to my core that our country could continue to be hijacked by a small minority in such a way. I'm too old and without enough resources to leave the country, but I couldn't just sit here either.


By the way. The vast majority of Iowa'a caucus voters were white, and they voted ror Obama. Huck clearly represents a strong connection to the status quo, and though they might get him a few states, it won't win a majority. Though I spose if you live in one of those crimson red states, it might not seem that way.

Obama represents change. Even if you know nothing about Obama at all, and all you see is that he's black, that my friend is something different than 220 years of rich white men as president, and that clearly is change!





Here's an interesting and related story.
Has America become colorblind?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/A_B...EMPLATE=DEFAULT

And that is a key point, sky. Olbermann had a statistic on his program last night that compared the total turn out with a proportion of votes that Obama, Edwards, Clinton, and Huckabee received. I don't remember exactly what the numbers were but it was something like:

Obama 28%
Edwards 25%
Clinton 23%
Huckabee 11%

If Huckabee was as popular as King Fisher says, he would have had the high turn out go for him, not Obama or any other democrat. It is important to remember, Iowa is not a liberal place. It was a red state in 2004 and 95% white population. If this had happened in Massachusetts then there would be cause for alarm but this is came out of a moderately conservative state. Not only was republican turnout low but both democratic and independent turnout was high, with the independents going overwhelming for the democrats and within the democratic caucus, for Obama. The Republicans said that if they do not have high turnout from Independents for their candidates, they are in serious trouble. That is exactly what happened.

Also a side note. Fisher you do realize for you 63% figure to be correct, Huckabee would have to get all Republican votes, all Independent votes, and a ton of Democratic votes? Let me put this in historical prospective for you. No president in the 20th century received 63% of the vote. Not Reagan, not Nixon, not Johnson, not Eisenhower, not FDR, not Teddy Roosevelt. In fact to find a president who received at least 63% of the popular vote, you have to go all the way back to 1820. No president in the past 188 years has received more than 63% of the vote and you think Mike Huckabee will do it? Really?

The pundits and repube "strategists" keep talking about schmukabee's record as governor of Arkansas and saying that the
GOP would never nominate him...

I tend to believe them.

He's too radical for them, economicaly. He's got the true crazy fundie's, but he's not tested. ready. now. enough for the corporate elitests that have the GOP by the short and curlies.

Oh i 100% agree. Republicans do not like Huckabee. Not to say they like any of their other candidates either. If you look at what the average republican says about him, it does not appear he will go too far.

When you look at their field, i can't think of any of their candidates who could win the nomination.

Huckabee=Economic populist. Wall Street will never go for that.
Romney=He is a Mormon and up until a week ago, was pro-choice, pro-gay rights, a pretty liberal guy
Giuliani=He is liberal on social issues, "morally unsound", and appears to have dropped off the face of the earth.
McCain=Despite his attempts to sallow an unhealthy amount of KoolAid, he is still despised by the republican party.
Thompson=Is he even running for president?
Ron Paul=Never
Duncan Hunter=He got 400 votes out of 120,000 in Iowa.

Their nominee is going to be whoever is left standing in May and for the life of me, I can not figure out who that is. They are going to be so battered, so fractured so poor, and so disillusioned by november, that they will be lucky to get 40% of the vote.

Huckabee

that's where bloomberg and co. come in...

Some here seems to be missing my point... the number of voters in Iowa. And I don't know the numbers, but it has been noted there are about 60% more democrats in Iowa than republicans. So, with that figure, it would appear for every six democrats that caucus, only four republicans showed. Now, from there we go who where running on the republican side... Huckabee, Romney, McCain, Thompson shared 40% of the votes. On the democrats side...Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Biden, Richardson, Dodd. Who else to share the 60%?

Should we go back to year 2000, we would find 35,331 or 41%votes for George W. Bush. Al Gore got 60,760 or 63% for the Democrat nominees.. Meaning two things, a greater number of the democrats didn't vote, or voted republican. So, what make 2008 any different? Very much so... as the "quality" of the candidates we have today will not compare that of Gore or Kerry. We have three factors on the minus side, a women with some baggage of her past, a black (who I like very much to win), but less political experience, and his religious past, and the $400.00 haircut man, who shared a defect with Kerry, and that carries a burden to the win column.

My ideal oppoinment for Obama, Clinton, or Edwards on the republican ticket would be McCain, or the "Tip Toe through the Tuplips" man..Gullie bird. I will also take "take-a-nap" Freddie.

Not to be flippant but I dont base my beliefs in anything on what others think nor do I discount believing n something because others don't. Gotta do the rudimentary walk to see what they say, does their walk fit their talk, ect.... The one thing I can't do is vote for someone because of party nor can I totally submit to popular thinking.

And bro....you really wouldnt WANT me controlling the war..... It would be over now, the boys and girls would be home thinking back to when we left A-stan in smoking ruins and Osama bin whatever would be radioactive or fried.

C'mon Abell...you know damn well that Osama bin whatever has nothing whatever to do with this war. Doesn't even belong in the same sentence.

Correction.


Osama had nothing to do with the war in Iraq, but now he does, thanks to Bush and his gang of idiots.
Though it's true Osama has no active, personal role. That's not how alQ works.
Osama is the figure head. The symbol for all Muslims with a reason to be pissed to rally around.
He doesn't have to have an active involvement. In fact it's likely better if he does not.



Bush created Osama because he needed a villain, and Osama created Bush in Islam for the same reasons.
They don't have to come to America. We were plenty obliging and came to them.

I hear ya Abell, and if a million innocent people wind up dead, that's the cost of war!
Don't fuck with America, or we'll kill your women and children too!
(look, the big guy said you had weapons of mass destruction, so don't go acting all innocent)
And besides, they weren't Americans.

That could not have been said more perfectly. You are wise beyond your years, friend.

Sky.......if I was a fisherman and you were a fish, you would have 3 sets of treble hooks in your mouth right now. Ever hear of "humor"? Yea, I know. Indignation wont allow you to laugh at such as that.

Ya'll lighten up woodja?

And that goes for the rest of y'all as well!

Sometimes I do wonder what happens to peoples senses of humour around these parts.
I look at some posts and thing to myself 'that's some funny shit, right there' - only in English - and the next thing I see someone taking offense or taking seriously what has just had me giggling happily to myself. Weird!

We hardly need a lecture on humor from those who can't even spell it correctly!

I think you'll find I do.

Speaking of treble hooks, have you ever had any experience with sarcasm?

Lemme explain for ya dear friend,
I took what you posted, and used it by expanding on it. You were playing, and I played it even further in the same direction.


You have to admit, it makes quite a statement, yes?

Wut r u? The boreds speek and spell?

Anyway, back to the original topic.

I am quite annoyed by Huckabee's subtle attacks on Mormon's. And yet most Mormon's still consider themselves part of the religious right movement (wake up people!).

It's not much of a distinction, but it beats ruthless warmonger.

Romney looks pretty good, all things considered. And I'm starting to research Huckabee, now that he might actually have a chance.

Before you blow a gasket, I'm also still considering all three Democratic front-runners.

Yep, great minds and all that. I really don't care about the "Mormon Tag". If Huckabee attacks it, he is less a man than I have any use for. A famous Indian Chief once said, "Trouble no one about their religion, respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours". Good words to live by.

Romney's religion doesn't bother me, Huckabee's might. In matters not related to religion, Huckabee looks less noxious than most Republicans. He's probably considered a populist in conservative circles. I really can't hate McCain, difficult as it is for liberals not to hate, and if I believed as Republicans do I'd probably lean in his direction.

If I had to vote for a Republican I think McCain would be my pick. To support a politician one does not have to agree with them all the time, I like McCain because I think he is a man of Character. And he seems to have a much better grasp on reality than many candidates.

Plus any Republican my fanatic right wing neighbors hate that much must be worth looking into.

As long as we keep law in the court house, politics in the state house, and religion in gods house,
I have no reason to be concerned.

(sounds kinda like Jessie Jackson doesn't it?)

Well, except for the lack of rhythm, lack of rhetorical flair, and lack of inspiration, yeah.