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Clinton unbowed by third-place finish
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
14 minutes ago
1-3-8


DES MOINES, Iowa - Sen. Hillary Clinton, unbowed by a third-place finish in the Iowa Democratic caucuses, hailed a "great night for Democrats" and said the strong turnout pointed for sure to the election of a Democratic president in November. She said she would "keep pushing as hard as we can."

The former first lady, who had once held a commanding lead in polls here, congratulated caucus winner Sen. Barack Obama and the second-place finisher, former Sen. John Edwards. She promised cheering supporters she would take "this enthusiasm and go tonight to New Hampshire." The state holds its primary on Jan. 8.

"We're going to keep pushing as hard as we can," she said. Supporters chanted, "Hillary, Hillary."

With former President Bill Clinton and their daughter, Chelsea, standing to one side of her and former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to the other, Clinton said, "I am so ready for the rest of this campaign and I am so ready to lead."

"This is a great night for Democrats. We have seen an unprecedented turnout here in Iowa and that is good news because today we are sending a clear message that we are going to have change and that change will be a Democratic president in the White House in 2009."

Projections showed a turnout of 220,588 for Democrats, compared to 124,000 who showed up for Democratic caucuses in 2004. The turnout was nearly twice as large as the Republican turnout, which was also up from four years ago.


Jack
The slow death of the Hillary Clinton campaign begins.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Jack @ Thursday, 3 January 2008, 8:36 pm) *
The slow death of the Hillary Clinton campaign begins.



I'm thinkin it looks bad for the Hill.
What happens in NH in 5 days is critical to her campaign.



Question. Who do you think she'd throw to, Edwards or Obama?
Jack
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 3 January 2008, 9:23 pm) *
I'm thinkin it looks bad for the Hill.
What happens in NH in 5 days is critical to her campaign.
Question. Who do you think she'd throw to, Edwards or Obama?


I think the Edwards campaign is more decomposed than the clinton campaign. Edwards has nothing left and was banking everything on Iowa. Clinton needed Iowa badly but not 100% (she is still fucked). I think Clinton and Obama will be the last two in the race, so she will be endorsing him for the general election when she drops out.

Tonight was a total disaster for Clinton. You know two months ago and probably even today, she expected to have a blowout through Iowa and New Hampshire and knockoff all of her competition after the first week of the primaries. Now she is screwed and I bet, although I hope i am wrong, that she will try to take Obama down with her, so that he doesn't win the general election.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Jack @ Thursday, 3 January 2008, 9:37 pm) *
I think the Edwards campaign is more decomposed than the clinton campaign. Edwards has nothing left and was banking everything on Iowa. Clinton needed Iowa badly but not 100% (she is still fucked). I think Clinton and Obama will be the last two in the race, so she will be endorsing him for the general election when she drops out.

Tonight was a total disaster for Clinton. You know two months ago and probably even today, she expected to have a blowout through Iowa and New Hampshire and knockoff all of her competition after the first week of the primaries. Now she is screwed and I bet, although I hope i am wrong, that she will try to take Obama down with her, so that he doesn't win the general election.




Last summer the Media already had Clinton locked in to be President.


I don't think Edwards is spent. Not at all.
Jack
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 3 January 2008, 9:54 pm) *
Last summer the Media already had Clinton locked in to be President.
I don't think Edwards is spent. Not at all.


I think obama is going to ride a wave from now on, much like what Kerry did in 2004. I bet obama gets a huge boost, kicks ass in new hampshire, and then by the time super Tuesday comes, he will be the only relevant democratic candidate.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Jack @ Thursday, 3 January 2008, 10:07 pm) *
I think obama is going to ride a wave from now on, much like what Kerry did in 2004. I bet obama gets a huge boost, kicks ass in new hampshire, and then by the time super Tuesday comes, he will be the only relevant democratic candidate.





before Kerry, there was Dean who also rode a wave in the early primaries.
Jack
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 3 January 2008, 10:17 pm) *
before Kerry, there was Dean who also rode a wave in the early primaries.


Not really. He won DC, which was first but he had no delegates. All of the focus was on Iowa, which was second, and by the time he won his next state it wasn't until March and at that point he had already withdrawn. He had no wave. He was ahead in the early, preprimary polls but his win in DC was meaningless and wasn't a wave by any stretch of the imagination. Kerry won 7 of the first 10 states. Kerry had the wave, not dean.
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