Full Version: Dr. Left... Does This Remind You Of The Old Navy
doc, There are 13 photo's in sequence of the crash and death of LCDR. Aikirie.
Note: The LSO (landing Ship Officer) in front of aircraft running to the left.
I think the LSO is going to make it to safety.
Note: The LSO did not make it.. He was bady burned.
KF, I was attached to VA-34 on board JFK, our squardon flew A6s, we were very fortunate to see very few mishaps, except for a vigilantee, that stalled at launch, luckly the pilot punched out, can't remember if there was a B/N, but I don't think so, and then we had a chopper go down during UNREP but nothing like this, we did lose one bird during an extended cruise, you know I remember the aircraft and crew like it was yesterday, real nice guys. They were flying a night Quals and simulated bombing runs the aircraft was 504, she was overdue, they found debris the next morning, they think the pilot lost his horizon and thought he was pulling up when in fact he dove into the ocean.
Doc
Doc
...oh by the way I was not aircrew I was just an ordinary black shoe...wanted to make that clear.
Doc
Doc
doc, brown shoe or black shoe.. all Naval officers come under that one classification... They make a great Navy.
Now I must say I have seen some bad dudes in brown shoes, and black shoes.
Now I must say I have seen some bad dudes in brown shoes, and black shoes.
| QUOTE (King Fisher @ Thursday, 3 March 2005, 1:16 pm) |
| doc, brown shoe or black shoe.. all Naval officers come under that one classification... They make a great Navy. Now I must say I have seen some bad dudes in brown shoes, and black shoes. |
Enlisted too, and that is what I was....can't have a great Navy without them....
Doc
I have a buddy who served on the Handcock. I think it was 64-65, or something like that.
I doubt that he ever flew a Cutlass though.
He flew Scooters.
I doubt that he ever flew a Cutlass though.
He flew Scooters.
KF,
What aircraft did you have experience with?
What aircraft did you have experience with?
Yo Navy... Air Force here... got a question for you of a regular navy sort of vein...
I bought a nifty U.S. Navy navy blue wool shirt in a thrift store recently.... What's the best way to clean it? Dry? How'd y'all do it?
It's a great shirt. Love the buttons...
I bought a nifty U.S. Navy navy blue wool shirt in a thrift store recently.... What's the best way to clean it? Dry? How'd y'all do it?
It's a great shirt. Love the buttons...
Seamus, If you have been around the Navy for some time, you may have heard of some horrible aircraft the US Navy pushed for pilots to fly.
Skeeter, did you actually see other things like this happening during your career?
What happened to the injured fellow...did he survive?
Thanks for posting this...I'm sorry the pilot lost his life, though.
Catherine
What happened to the injured fellow...did he survive?
Thanks for posting this...I'm sorry the pilot lost his life, though.
Catherine
I remember building a model of the Banshee when I was a teenager back in the early 60's... Nifty airplane...
Banshee
Since KF was obviously an officer, he probably didn't have the dark blue woolen shirts, so Doc? How do you clean it as I don't want to do something that will cause it to shrink... we didn't have any woolen shirts in the air force... must have been for sea duty.
Banshee
Since KF was obviously an officer, he probably didn't have the dark blue woolen shirts, so Doc? How do you clean it as I don't want to do something that will cause it to shrink... we didn't have any woolen shirts in the air force... must have been for sea duty.
I also built a model of the Cutlass... love the twin tails... which did you purrfurr flying, KF?
And was the Neptune the precurser to the Orion?
And was the Neptune the precurser to the Orion?
Thanks KF!
I am familiar with all of those aircraft.
As a matter of fact my buddy who flew off the Handcock claims to have broke the sound barrier in a Banshee. Of course that was in a dive. That was frowned upon.
I am familiar with all of those aircraft.
As a matter of fact my buddy who flew off the Handcock claims to have broke the sound barrier in a Banshee. Of course that was in a dive. That was frowned upon.
...was the Neptune the precurser to the Orion?
Yes it was.
The P2V was was twin engined. It had that MAD Boom stinger on the tail.
Orion has 4 engines, bigger aircraft, fancier electronics.
Sadly I know little about ASW.
BTW I never served. I lucked out when it came to an invitation to the Southeast Asian Wargames. What I know is from family and friends. Military history is a passion of mine.
Yes it was.
The P2V was was twin engined. It had that MAD Boom stinger on the tail.
Orion has 4 engines, bigger aircraft, fancier electronics.
Sadly I know little about ASW.
BTW I never served. I lucked out when it came to an invitation to the Southeast Asian Wargames. What I know is from family and friends. Military history is a passion of mine.
There was a P3A detachment at my furrst duty station... Kindley AFB, Bermuda. One of my jobs when I was stationed there was ramp tramp. While doing that job, I was able to drive to the end of the runway and watch the various birds take off. The most memorable was during an air show when the P3A took off and then went straight up... 
Power... A hellofa lot of power...
The most memorable was during an air show when the P3A took off and then went straight up... Power... A hellofa lot of power...
Had a great day fishing.. Here is a nice Bull Red fish. 27.4 pounds.
That would be a good reason I'm not on the computer today..
I also look much better clean shaven and all. Same hat.
That would be a good reason I'm not on the computer today..
I also look much better clean shaven and all. Same hat.
Catherine, Generally all ramps (fantail) crashes resulted in pilot deaths.. The LSO was badly burned and lost most of his eye sight and had to leave the Navy. The assistant LSO (the radio man) that stands right besides the main LSO was killed, along with two others, plus the pilot.
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Nice catch man, that's about the size some of the Char get in the arctic. Looks like fun. *envy*
Nice hat... mmmmmmmmmm, even nicer fish...
So KF... about that Cutlass... was it as much fun to fly as it looked like it would be? I loved that twin tail...
So KF... about that Cutlass... was it as much fun to fly as it looked like it would be? I loved that twin tail...
WOW
Thanks for posting those.
And congrats on that catch. Beautiful
Thanks for posting those.
And congrats on that catch. Beautiful
Great career KF, looks like you retired 3 years before I went to boot camp in Great Lakes, Hey did you know CDR Miles, CDR Jackson or CDR Shannon....those were the skippers of VA-34 when I was attached to it.
Doc
Doc
I don't remember a Miles or Shannon.
Now that is a major record.
| QUOTE (King Fisher @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 7:17 am) |
| Doc, many brain cells have departed so names and faces have also. However, I do remember a Lt. David Jackson during the Korean war. He was billeted with VC-61 photo squadron aboard the USS Valley Forge CVA-45.. I dully remember this for I had to fly escort for him one morning in April 1952 from K3 Field at Pohang, So Korea, when his F9F-2B fighter escort developed engine trouble and had to return to Valley Forge. I don't remember a Miles or Shannon. They probably would have been Ensigns, or Lt jg's during the Korean War, and most apt's higher rant during Vietnam days. |
Yeah, Miles was the first CO of our squadron and Shannon was the XO. Shannon used to like his mercham pipes, and had a 1940s mustache and white hair, of course as a Ensign or JG his hair was probably dark. Real cool guys. Jackson, became XO when Shannon became CO and then when I left Jackson took over as CO.
I know the Navy is large but the air side is very tight, and most pilots run into each other during their long careers. Anyway just wondering...
Doc
As an air force enlisted man, I never had any experience with Navy birds, other than watching the Orions take off at Kindley...so I had no idea the twin tailed Cutlass was a pilot killer. 
| QUOTE (TheStripey1 @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 1:20 pm) |
| As an air force enlisted man, I never had any experience with Navy birds, other than watching the Orions take off at Kindley...so I had no idea the twin tailed Cutlass was a pilot killer. |
Best pilots in the world are Navy pilots, I didn't know much about the bird that KF was talking about, that was before my time also.
I was in a P3 squadron before I retired, involved in drug interdiction....
Doc
| QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 3:24 pm) |
| I was in a P3 squadron before I retired, involved in drug interdiction.... |
They were smuggling dope in on subs?
Sorry, I couldn't help myself!
| QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 3:24 pm) |
| I was in a P3 squadron before I retired, involved in drug interdiction.... |
They were smuggling dope in on subs?
Sorry, I couldn't help myself!
| QUOTE (TheStripey1 @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 3:20 pm) |
| I had no idea the twin tailed Cutlass was a pilot killer. |
Don't quote me.
But I'm pretty sure that the Cutlass had the shortest service life of any Navy Aircraft. The Cutlass was really big mistake.
Ask him (there were no she's at that time) if he ever flew the Cutlass. If so, you probably heard it right, they were the shortest life jet used in the Navy..
I think the Navy sent them to some small foreign country..
I think the Navy sent them to some small foreign country..
| QUOTE (King Fisher @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 6:34 pm) |
| I think the Navy sent them to some small foreign country.. |
And probably some country we didn't like!
| QUOTE (King Fisher @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 6:34 pm) |
| If you get the opportunity to talk to a older Navy pilot from the 1950's |
Sadly I've met WW2 Navy Pilots, but none from the 50s. I skip a whole decade when it comes to chatting one on one with Airdales.
My father in law, a Korean Vet, US Army, used to go to the same health club as Francis Gabreski. Gabreski was as close as I got to a Korean War Pilot.
All of my Navy pilot friends are from the early 60s to the early 70s.
As a matter of fact one fella, I don't know if this is a record, who'd punched out of 4 F-4s. 4 aircraft. Bad luck. He was cleared of any wrongdoing everytime. Care to guess what the problems were?
Hydraulics, Hydraulics, Hydraulics...
It was nice to hear good words about the A-4. I always loved that plane. I thought that the earlier ones were slick. The ones without the Avionics Hump Pack on the back.
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Interesting thread, guys. Thanks.
| QUOTE (King Fisher @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 7:17 pm) |
| In my 24 year career, the US Navy could only lay claim that I did a little damage to one of their aircraft. |
Ouch!
I'll have to admit I'm a Banshee fan.
But I love Panthers as well. It must have been "The Bridges at Toko Ri".
You guys have a good outline here for a collaboration book.
Kick it around.
The REAL Military and REAL pilots. Timely, no?
Or not....just a thought.....a random one....
Kick it around.
The REAL Military and REAL pilots. Timely, no?
Or not....just a thought.....a random one....
| QUOTE (Seamus @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 2:14 pm) |
| Don't quote me. But I'm pretty sure that the Cutlass had the shortest service life of any Navy Aircraft. The Cutlass was really big mistake. |
Actually at that time their jobs had gone away with the Soviet Navy, let's face it there aren't many subs we had to worry about, so our jobs had to change, one was drug interdiction with the Coast Guard, another was over in Bosnia, as patrol air craft and they were fitted, believe it or not with ship killers like the Harpoon, and Air to Air missles....I couldn't get over that, a P-3 against a fighter, doesn't hae much of a chance....
doc
| QUOTE (Seamus @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 5:08 pm) |
| Sadly I've met WW2 Navy Pilots, but none from the 50s. I skip a whole decade when it comes to chatting one on one with Airdales. My father in law, a Korean Vet, US Army, used to go to the same health club as Francis Gabreski. Gabreski was as close as I got to a Korean War Pilot. All of my Navy pilot friends are from the early 60s to the early 70s. As a matter of fact one fella, I don't know if this is a record, who'd punched out of 4 F-4s. 4 aircraft. Bad luck. He was cleared of any wrongdoing everytime. Care to guess what the problems were? Hydraulics, Hydraulics, Hydraulics... It was nice to hear good words about the A-4. I always loved that plane. I thought that the earlier ones were slick. The ones without the Avionics Hump Pack on the back. |
The A-4 is a great aircraft, the A6 replaced them during the early to mid 70's. We had two fighter squadrons on board the JFK and I knew alot of the maintance people and the F4 was a realy bitch to maintain, the wing tips on older aircraft were curling up, and cut down on their performance, and some of the pilots I met said they were a bitch to fly and others said that they were okay. Anyway they were just getting ready to by the F14, I got to see some of the first test on that aircraft, including the first crash....
Doc
| QUOTE (Panda @ Monday, 7 March 2005, 11:08 pm) |
| You guys have a good outline here for a collaboration book. Kick it around. The REAL Military and REAL pilots. Timely, no? Or not....just a thought.....a random one.... |
Love it Panda...
Doc
The F-4 Phamton did have it problems.. It was pronged to stalls, spin and twists violently at operational weight. That is when loaded with ordnances
It was nicknamed the "Sledgehammer."
It was nicknamed the "Sledgehammer."
| QUOTE (King Fisher @ Tuesday, 8 March 2005, 6:51 am) |
| The F-4 Phamton did have it problems.. It was pronged to stalls, spin and twists violently at operational weight. That is when loaded with ordnances It was nicknamed the "Sledgehammer." |
Yup, also the F4 was also designed for missles only, no cannon. Later they developed the Vulcan module, that attached to a hardpoint, we used them on the A-6 also.
The Isralies used the F4 I think up until this day, it would be interesting to know if they solved the stall and turn and twist probelms...
Doc
I saw the F4 in action one time while in Nam... I was, of course, on the ground, they were hitting Charlie just over there... waves paw in a gereral direction away from me... Charlie was not far away at all cuz the 105 battery we were resupplying was firing into the jungle, just across the runway at 0 degrees elevation... I also saw F100s drop napalm, same day... Cobra gunships working... same day... was a very exciting day... very memorable... it was the day I was wounded. mortar shrapnel...
mortar shrapnel...
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